[_KB_]

WOW, Welcome Back Matt, Its nice to see you .

I’ll be very happy if you can reply for my post.

Should I Stop Using bbpres Standalone Version Right Now?

Can you please?

[_ck_]

Well it still looks a bit like a forum, but the concept is solid, keep going!

In fact someone once went as far as changing the whole structure to work like a blog, can’t remember who right now, they were trying to make a whole plugin for it.

Note that you can change the templates even further and put snippets of the post under the title on the front/forum pages – bbPress is very flexible like that since it’s cleanly divided between the backend and front-end.

Believe it or not there is at least one person using bbPress as an advanced image sharing gallery, the possibilities are almost endless.

[_ck_]

I’ve just tested bbPress 0.9 with WP 3.0’s cookies and the Freshly Baked Cookies plugin DOES work properly.

Just make sure your cookie paths for WordPress and bbPress are pointing the same place (ie. /) which was always required for proper integration anyway and is not done by the plugin but inside wp-config and bb-config – see the numerous integration guides around bbpress.org

Make certain you are using version 0.0.4 of the plugin or higher which supports the newer kind of WordPress cookies in use since WP 2.8

[Gautam Gupta]

I don’t think we have any space for fakes in this community.

Additional info:

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/what-the-heck-is-going-on/page/2#post-70114

Still, regarding your questions (and answering them from whatever I’ve read):

1) I think it would remain as it is (can’t say much about it).

2) bbPress 1.1 would be released and maintenance release (bug fixes, etc.) might also be released as 1.1.1 etc., but I think no new features would be added in it.

3) GlotPress still uses BackPress, so it isn’t going anywhere.

[wtfmatt2]

Hey Matt, way to prove my point by locking my post. Ironically, your failure to upkeep this project is what makes its moderation tools so horrible.

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In response to your post here, since you closed the topic (again):

http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/bbpress-plugin-is-born/page/3#post-71276

Well hello Matt, welcome back to bbpress. How were your last 6 months?

Mine were full of frustration and wasted time, mostly because all the meetups and chats you always mention have zero value, since you never keep your word, nor keep anybody in the loop, not least of all, the top bbpress devs in this community.

Now that you are here, do everyone a favor and answer these questions:

1) what is happening to bbpress.org?

2) is bbpress as a standalone definitely being abandoned, permanently?

3) how will the above affect the status of backpress?

There is not pent up rage from many decisions, but rather from indecision, misdirection, lying, and abandonment. In other words, people wasting other peoples’ time and efforts.

Therefore your sweet soliloquies serve absolutely no purpose except to further the frustration and belief that you are purposefully ignoring everything that everyone is saying, for no apparent reason. Thus, we all assume you are making your own secret plans as there is no logical or mature alternative reasoning to your (in)actions.

I hope you don’t run away from this forum again for 3 months in reaction to my criticism, which I deliver in the hope of progress and answers, and not to merely belittle (as the members here aimed to many times before, even though you ran away then too).

Additional questions:

http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/what-the-heck-is-going-on/page/2#post-69883

[ZKuJoe]

I was using WordPress for a while but I prefer forums over blogging software so bbPress was the best of both worlds! I just altered the default theme to look more like a blog. Let me know what you think.

http://www.jmd.cc

[Gautam Gupta]

Ben (Nightgunner5) had written a greasemonkey script to show plugins’ stats – http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/63060

[Satish]

Awesome site. Awesome design.

[_ck_]

Is it possible to copy over the “stats” code from the WP plugin section to bbpress.org, or is it more complex than that?

ie. https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wp-e-commerce/stats/

vs. https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/bbpress-signatures/stats/

Even without the fancy graph, just the little History section would be handy.

I’m debating doing another full survey of active bbPress installations by the end of this year despite it’s replacement, but it’s still easy to believe it’s well over 10,000 – might even be 20,000 or higher if the growth has become exponential.

ps. somewhat related: the tag import (from readme.txt) in the plugin section has been broken since the bbpress.org 2.0 upgrade

[Ashish Kumar (Ashfame)]

I am with you _ck_

I would love to see bbPress 0.9 becoming as one of the best choice for standalone forum script.

[xarzu]

I created some catagories in my bbpress forum and I tried to move a post to one of the catagories by using the drop-down menu but it did not work. The new catagories were disabled. Why?

[chrishajer]

Probably been done in a plugin. Here’s an old one:

https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/post-count-plus/

If you search the plugins site, you should be able to find something.

[namelesshorseman]

this solved my issues: https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/same-forum-using-http-and-https?replies=14#post-71269

[wtfmatt]

In response to your post here, since you closed the topic (again):

http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/bbpress-plugin-is-born/page/3#post-71276

Well hello Matt, welcome back to bbpress. How were your last 6 months?

Mine were full of frustration and wasted time, mostly because all the meetups and chats you always mention have zero value, since you never keep your word, nor keep anybody in the loop, not least of all, the top bbpress devs in this community.

Now that you are here, do everyone a favor and answer these questions:

1) what is happening to bbpress.org?

2) is bbpress as a standalone definitely being abandoned, permanently?

3) how will the above affect the status of backpress?

There is not pent up rage from many decisions, but rather from indecision, misdirection, lying, and abandonment. In other words, people wasting other peoples’ time and efforts.

Therefore your sweet soliloquies serve absolutely no purpose except to further the frustration and belief that you are purposefully ignoring everything that everyone is saying, for no apparent reason. Thus, we all assume you are making your own secret plans as there is no logical or mature alternative reasoning to your (in)actions.

I hope you don’t run away from this forum again for 3 months in reaction to my criticism, which I deliver in the hope of progress and answers, and not to merely belittle (as the members here aimed to many times before, even though you ran away then too).

Additional questions:

http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/what-the-heck-is-going-on/page/2#post-69883

[NoPeace]

Hello,

I’m just wondering if its possible to have post counts to show for users in bbPress?

[Matt Mullenweg]

If anyone is curious there is still a download counter for bbPress here:

http://bbpress.org/download/counter/

It does about 200 downloads per day still.

About 2,000 people downloaded a plugin (any plugin) last month.

We had 208 people post to the forums last month.

Any other metrics folks are curious about?

[Matt Mullenweg]

I’m just a soul whose intentions are good / Oh Lord, please don’t let me be misunderstood

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PipX3l1tEeU

I’m sorry if anyone feels surprised by the roadmap of having bbPress start to become a WordPress “core plugin” in the 1.2 timeframe, it was discussed (and posted to the blog) in the December 9th and 30th meetups, to a healthy debate that raised some of the same issues that have been brought up here.

It breaks my heart to see JJJ and PeteMall who are just getting started have to absorb the negative energy for 5-6 years of decisions they had nothing to do with so if like “wtfmatt” above you want to ascribe all of that to me I’m happy to bear the brunt of it. Let’s let them experiment, try something new, and see what happens. Then we can channel our worries (oh noes, this will break everything!) into positive outcome (you forgot an action in the template which breaks my plugin, here’s a two-line patch to fix backward compatibility).

We have to be careful with our words because they can have a demotivating effect beyond what you can know, which could stagnate bbPress’ development (again).

Finally, there is obviously some pent-up umbrage over many decisions that have been made in the history of bbPress, and I think it would be healthy to talk about those and do a post-mortem to see what we can learn from them. However this thread has already become tainted, and we don’t have message threading here, so it’d probably be best to start a new thread per issue. Tag it with “formatt” and I promise I’ll reply as thoughtfully as I can.

It’s a Sunday but I’m here again. Despite everything bbPress holds a special place in my heart as it was the first project I wrote from scratch applying everything I had learned from working on b2 née WordPress.

[John James Jacoby]

@gswaim If it comes down to name calling or aggression, that’s always an option, but usually the last one if we can all help it. Fortunately the moderation team over here is fantastic, so no worries there.

The decision to allow Pete and myself the opportunity to do the bbPress plugin conversion wasn’t only Matt’s to make, and was agreed on by a committee of all of our peers running the 3.org initiatives, in #wordpress-dev on freenode, and on the WordPress development blog.

The reason it’s bbPress 1.2 rather than bbPress 2.0 (at least as it stands today) is because part of the coding standards we adhere to is not inflating version numbers. Could always see if everyone agrees to inflate based on the amount of new code going in, but I don’t think that’s my decision to make, and I would wager that it’s unlikely to happen? Been wrong before though.

[_ck_]

Here is a version I super modified for maximum performance and compatibility.

http://pastebin.com/embed_iframe.php?i=N4bxcqpZ

It avoids the extra queries the original version does (when it looks for page-topics plugin/option) and caches a few expensive variables.

It uses pure css with an inline stylesheet so there are no externals to load or check timestamps.

(basically in plain english it puts as little impact as possible on the page)

If someone REALLY wanted the page image it could be easily modified to support that again.

This version only shows the ending page, or if over 5 pages the last two pages, which I think is plenty. (clicking the topic title is always page one anyway)

[johnhiler]

“I don’t get what you all want bbPress to do differently that would even require a new standalone version. I’ve asked that before, and there’s no answer; just frustration.”

I thought there were several pretty solid answers above, but I’ll give my take here. For me, it’s mostly about performance. bbPress (especially the 0.9 branch) is fairly fast. As the bbPress frontpage puts it, “bbPress is lean, mean and ready to take on any job you throw at it.” I agree!

WordPress is powerful and has many fantastic plugins and themes. But I don’t think many people would argue that it is lean and mean. It requires caching in order to have a reasonable number of queries and/or loading time.

When someone asks me if they should use WordPress, I always recommend they use a heavyweight hosting package. With bbPress, this hasn’t been the case. Now with a plugin version, that will change.

In any case, I’m not your target audience: I use bbPress to run larger sites. Most people who want a forum will have small forums. They will be perfectly happy with a bbPress plugin – in fact, happier because it will be easier to integrate.

But it won’t scale easily without lots of caching and expensive hardware. That’s why I prefer a standalone.

“In all honesty, all this back and forth is tiring, and all it’s doing is taking the team of people that are here to help keep bbPress alive, and make us the enemy to the people that are just happy to see life again. That, and it’s taken our ability to communicate news to the bbPress community away from us, and instead forced us to try and put out this fire for the past 4 days.”

I totally respect your right to take bbPress and “buddyPress” it into a WordPress plugin. My only request has been to use a different name.

[chrishajer]

To file a bug, go to http://trac.bbpress.org and log in with a wordpress.org login.

Also, you never mentioned https/SSL before. Maybe looking through these posts will help:

https://bbpress.org/forums/tags/https

https://bbpress.org/forums/tags/ssl

[namelesshorseman]

hi _ck_,

I’m trying to use your fix https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/https-with-bbpress-login#post-23667 + your code above, but get the following error when I try to activate the plugin:

Fatal error: Cannot redeclare bb_validate_auth_cookie() (previously declared in <path to bbPress>/bb-includes/functions.bb-pluggable.php:142) in <path to bbPress>/my-plugins/https-mode.php on line 22

Any ideas?

Thanks!

Tomek

[KimJCastleberry]

Hey Chris, thanks for this info. I was struggling to figure out what part of W3 Total Cache causing the forum to report “Please complete your installation before attempting to include WordPress within bbPress” any time I attempted to use it. Turns out it was the JS Minify stuff which I checked after seeing your post. Thanks for sharing!

[_ck_]

Cursing/insulting Matt doesn’t help anything and is silly.

Matt’s actually a really nice guy from what I have read and heard. If he would ever have a vegan meal instead of all that meat, I’d even have lunch with him. He was one of the first and few people to donate towards a replacement monitor when mine failed.

I just disagree, strongly in some cases, with his decisions that seem to be done rather suddenly with little or no input from others, that radically affect a great many people. I disagree heavily with the concept of “code sprints” that he seems to like so much and most especially shoving in “features” into the core that should be plugins.

As far as forking, you have no idea what you are asking. It’s a ton of work and responsibility. Anyone can fork, but we’d run into exactly the same problems, who owns the domain, who owns the project name, who owns/operates the servers, are major decisions done by one person or by the community, etc. You are basically asking someone else to do the work for you, for free. If you want a fork, hire a coder and fork it, you don’t need anyone’s permission.

[wtfmatt]

@_ck_

Is Matt planning to just “nuke” all the existing content on bbPress.org ?

That’s what I’ve been saying for friggin 3 months.

Why do the biggest plugin devs here keep wasting hours/weeks/years dealing with Matt and his falsely-seeming-reasonable “team”?

THEY DONT CARE ABOUT YOU.

Who is ready to fork this community into a standalone project for Christ’s sake? Why the hesitation people? I know you aren’t lazy. So what is it exactly… you are trying to be political here? Screw that. And screw Matt.