[kevinjohngallagher]

I don’t think anyone’s against getting the next version of bbPress out the door

My concerns are:

• If bbPress0.9 support was meant to last until late 2010, why end it in May?
• Why/When was this decision taken?
• Why not inform us before the code was deleted?
• In fact, why not inform us at all?

Basically:

Sam wrote, as an employee of Automattic, that bbPress0.9 branch would be maintained until ‘late 2010’, how can this be true if we’ve had patches for 0.9 sitting since July2009 without a rollout, and are now not being released?

bbPress 1.0.2 and bbPress 0.9.0.6 legacy version released

That effectively means we’ve not been supporting 0.9 since 0.9.0.6 was released on 28thJuly 2009. Awesome, we supported it for a whole 25 days after 1.0 was released (on 3rd July 2009).

Thats a heck of a decision to go back on One’s word like that. And a considerable slap in the face to those of us who have forums still stuck on 0.9 due to 1.0’s failings.

Here’s another issue.

I don’t think we should update the 0.9 branch anymore, and probably not 1.0 either. (Same as WP.)

Matt looks at this project as if it’s working in the same way WP is. It’s not. And I think thats why he’s found the “bbPress community” so hard to get a grip on.

bbPress0.9 and bbpress1.0 are very very different. It’s not a simple upgrade in the way that many versions of WordPress have been – it’s a total and utter rewrite of the backend to use external code being run by a totally different team as an independant product.

bbPress0.9 and bbPress1.0, whichever you prefer to work with, are not incremental releases in the traditional sense – they are very close to being different products. That was reflected in the communities strong desire to have support for bbPress0.9 extended when Sam asked us. Thats right folks, we were asked and voted. Then a decision was made. And thats the crux of the problem.

Saying one thing, doing another, then not mentioning it in the hope no-one notices until weeks after – man, thats just not cool. And the kicker is, I don’t think it’s intentional at all. That’s worse though, because it means we’re a total afterthought (maybe not even an afterthought).

If the decision was made to drop 0.9 support, all someone had to do was make a blog post, or a forum sticky before hand and give folks a heads up. Why is it so hard to treat us with any respect?

Those of us who can’t write brilliant code, attempt to do our best by answering questions on the forums. My plugins will never rival some of _ck_s / Nightgunners / Zaerls. Thats a good thing. My code will never be as good for the Core as Gautam / Sam / mdwaffe. Thats even better news. But really, how can we answer questions that people ask with any certainty at all, when things like this happen (constatly)?

Help us, help you!

please.

[_ck_]

LOL, filing a bug in the bugtracker doesn’t magically get features working, there’s no-one to work on extra things like that these days.

But I think the problem is that the admin section must be checking the base url somewhere for security that I am not catching and doesn’t like it, so it redirects it.

My current guess is it’s happening in function bb_auth which I am examining now.

Ah it’s probably because bbPress 1.x has the secure_auth cookie where 0.9 does not, makes things much more complicated since you have to be logged in under SSL as well.

[chrishajer]

rescued from Akismet

[Elias]

Ouch, “minor errors” and “Forums not installed” isn’t exactly user-friendly…

I suspect the installer script wasn’t able to create the file bb-config.php caused by too restrictive permissions in the directory bbPress is installed in. To create this file, the directory have to be writeable for the user running the webserver. If this is the cause of this failure (look for a file bb-config.php in the bbPress directory, if it is missing, it is the problem), just give the directory 0777 permissions before starting the installation. After the installation completed, the permissions can be (and should be) set more restrictive.

[ckeck]

Yes, lets get 1.1 out the door please

[kevinjohngallagher]

Glad it helped mate.

If building your own theme, I’d advice making a wordpress theme first.

The technique is the same and once you’re in the right mindset, you’d be amazed hoe easy theming bbPress is. But you will/might hit a few roadblocks if you try and pull data in a differnet way. Don’t be peturbed, just come back and ask

[btko]

Those Cube cars are cool, and I like your custom forums. Speaking of moving from PHPBB did you import your old database into the bbpress database?

[ohcean]

1. I installed the forums using same info as WordPress database

2. After installation it said forums were installed with minor errors -> “Forums not installed”. which contradict each other.

3. Every time I go to the forum page http://ohcean.com/bbpress/ it redirects to the install page http://ohcean.com/bbpress/bb-admin/install.php (which I removed, so now it’s a blank URL).

4. I activated the plug in in wordpress

5. I changed the cookies.

6. It’s still redirecting to the install page.

Why does it keep redirecting to the install page?

[kevinjohngallagher]

At the current rate of maximum of 1 release a year… no idea, sorry.

That said, there are some really good people working on it, so just add your bug report to http://trac.bbpress.org and someone with the technical know how will look at it eventually

[kevinjohngallagher]

Hi Charles,

Here’s a good place to start. You are going to need to know some HTML and PHP to get this up and running.

https://bbpress.org/documentation/themes/

Good Luck bro

[CEThom]

When I sign into my forum as admin and try to change the layout, it only gives me two templates to choose from.

How do I go about creating my own layout – colour scheme, banner across the top etc?

[driz]

that code throws an error Call to undefined function print_f()

The avatar shows correct every but when viewing the profile page, it’s as though bbPress treats that as the current user and changes the avatar.

You say you get your own avatar when viewing a profile, what happens if you view the same profile but logged out? Do you get mystery man or the profiles avatar?

[kevinjohngallagher]

So the patches in the 0.9 Branch, were they released or deleted?

[Rich Pedley]

sounds good to me.

[Gautam Gupta]

Hmm..

[chrishajer]

I asked Matt 3 weeks or so ago if we should release 1.0.3 or 1.1 (and what to do with the couple patches in the 0.9 branch) and this was his response:

I don’t think we should update the 0.9 branch anymore, and probably not 1.0 either. (Same as WP.) If 1.1 is ready let’s get it out the door.

[Gautam Gupta]

Every string is that is shown on the screen is parsed for translation (talking about bbPress). If you want custom strings, it would be the same process as you create a translation for any other language. For eg. I could have “voices” as “participants”, “favorites” as “likes” etc.

[Gautam Gupta]

1) When is 1.0.3 coming out. Seriously. What day? (when I check the “bbpress company blog” I seem to only see hacked up IRC chat logs from 5 months back… so much for “official sounding” posts, huh!)

I had sent a mail to Matt a few hours back, lets wait for sometime.

2) Who (names?) has editing rights to bbpress.org?

Chris (I am not sure), matt, mdawaffe.

3) Is bbpress definitely becoming a WP plugin?

There are 90% chances for this.

4) If bbpress becomes a WP plugin, will it also remain standalone?

5) How will bbpress plugins be integrated into a proposed WP plugin?

As bbPress is not in the plugin phase, there is no roadmap for this (for the time being). Also check https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/bbpress-as-a-wordpress-plugin-thoughts

6) What exactly is backpress, and what is it’s status?

Check http://backpress.org/ There were also some developments in it about 2 weeks back.

7) Who (names?) is in charge of updates/commits/releases for bbpress at this moment?

Matt, mdawaffe, filosofo (inactive), chrishajer. Don’t know about anyone else.

How can plugin devs update their bbpress plugins and stay in touch with higher ups?

What do you mean by “higher ups”?

[wtfmatt]

@Gautam*

I just said that is was set and at that time there were no open tickets for 1.0.3 as far as I remember (and it was new then). Also, it is Gautam.

Not really following you completely, but from what it sounds like, you just keep proving that nothing in TRAC is reliable. Deadlines aren’t met, or even cared about really, tickets are ignored by those in power, (let alone shared with the public, and NO, 99% of users don’t know about TRAC)… and overall, coordination is appalling, at best.

If you choose to hold onto the wishful idea that TRAC and deadlines and work are all peachy keen and your work is worthwhile, then by all means, keep going… ignorance is bliss after all. Hell if I worked as hard as some of you guys, I would be spitting bullets about now…

So since Kevin wants me to address specifics, here are my questions, to the entire bbpress community:

1) When is 1.0.3 coming out. Seriously. What day? (when I check the “bbpress company blog” I seem to only see hacked up IRC chat logs from 5 months back… so much for “official sounding” posts, huh!)

2) Who (names?) has editing rights to bbpress.org?

3) Is bbpress definitely becoming a WP plugin?

4) If bbpress becomes a WP plugin, will it also remain standalone?

5) How will bbpress plugins be integrated into a proposed WP plugin?

6) What exactly is backpress, and what is it’s status?

7) Who (names?) is in charge of updates/commits/releases for bbpress at this moment?

How can plugin devs update their bbpress plugins and stay in touch with higher ups?

That should be enough for now. Please, no condescending answers, since we are aiming for “maturity” in this thread from here on out. This is not just for me, but the community, remember. Even if I’m an immature idiot with false hope…

[Terence Milbourn]

Kevin, you’re a great bloke and your heart is soooo in the right place, but you are being naive here. Do you think Matt got where he is, that WordPress, bbPress, BuddyPress and all the others got where they are today without him making demands on people. You are wrong about that Kevin. It is perfectly OK to make demands on people, as long as they are for the greater good. Often it helps people find out who they really are and what they can become; what they can achieve. Preferring their ‘easy’ life, folk sometimes don’t make those demands of themselves without that little shove, that imperative, that demand. But as they say “…come the day, come the man”. And they say it for a very good reason, Kevin. Clearly you must think a demand is being made of you here. Is it really that demand you are trying to deny?

[Gautam Gupta]

@Guatam, oh. LOL. I thought there was a new due date, but I guess I should have realized you were referring to the April 2010 date, which only serves to once again prove that nothing about bbpress TRAC is reliable.

I just said that is was set and at that time there were no open tickets for 1.0.3 as far as I remember (and it was new then). Also, it is Gautam.

I love your work here, and I’m sorry to upset you with my bluntness, but even the “devs” who “check trac” are ignored by matt 90% of the time, so, just want to put that out there as gently as possible. They say dictatorships are efficient, and maybe that’s true, but only when the dictator is awake and involved. When the dictator is on constant “out of office” status, then all you have is a bunch of peasants (?) working hard for the king (for free) who foolishly think he is paying attention to their efforts and words.

That really doesn’t matter to me.

@Kevin, p.s. no offense (actually yes, offense), but please stop trolling if you have nothing new to say (especially since you are obnoxiously hypocritical). You waste *precious* thread space by trying to nitpick others’ verbiage with whiny condescending comments.

Atleast, what he says, is true.

[wtfmatt]

@Guatam, oh. LOL. I thought there was a new due date, but I guess I should have realized you were referring to the April 2010 date, which only serves to once again prove that nothing about bbpress TRAC is reliable. I love your work here, and I’m sorry to upset you with my bluntness, but even the “devs” who “check trac” are ignored by matt 90% of the time, so, just want to put that out there as gently as possible.

They say dictatorships are efficient, and maybe that’s true, but only when the dictator is awake and involved. When the dictator is on constant “out of office” status, then all you have is a bunch of peasants (?) working hard for the king (for free) who foolishly think he is paying attention to their efforts and words.

@Kevin, p.s. no offense (actually yes, offense), but please stop trolling if you have nothing new to say (especially since you are obnoxiously hypocritical). You waste *precious* thread space by trying to nitpick others’ verbiage with whiny condescending comments. Let alone, the irony of you making *worthwhile* bbpress discussions even more distracted and ineffective then they already are. I recommend you join a political forum or something so you can get that crap out of your system before you dump on bbpress.org every night.

For the record, most people don’t enjoy broadcasting their name, photo, and a list of continents they have saved onto the internet.

[Gautam Gupta]

Regarding bbpress.org edit privileges, AGAIN… who the hell has them? another example of matt not being clear, or at least proof that whoever HAS edit privileges (maybe the few you mentioned) don’t give a rat’s arse about listening to feedback.

I think chris atleast has the power to make blog posts, but I think he shouldn’t as blog posts are taken as official announcements which should be made only by the people of the company of the project.

Also. IM SICK of people saying “look at TRAC… look at TRAC” … who the hell looks at TRAC? And who the hell actually listens to and implements what is said on TRAC (re: bbpress)? Nobody and barely anybody with power, respectively! TRAC is mostly time wasted back and forth and tickets eventually being rejected or closed by matt or others, or shoved off into the big, vague, undefined world of “backpress.”

Developers look at trac! Just look at log and see how many commits chrishajer has made in the recent weeks to fix bugs. This para is 100% insane and totally wrong!

THERE IS NO POINT to contribute to trac when matt IGNORES EVERYTHING and nothing has gotten anywhere for 2 friggin years. Why funnel feedback to the top of the chain when only one person, who doesn’t care or listen anyway, is the only person able to activate them?

You haven’t been in the community for long (as you said in one of your previous replies) or not keeping a tab on the developments, so I prefer you to keep your mouth closed.

@Gautam, what due date was set for 1.0.3 cuz I have never come across one, and I know about 20,000 users who would love to know as well.

Check it yourself (don’t be so lazy) – https://trac.bbpress.org/milestone/1.0.3

[wtfmatt]

@reboot now,

Talk of forking is never premature when the community has gone 2 years with chaos and barely any progress. You say we must wait for devs to lead the way. No we don’t. We *would* need to fork, and then worry about how to re-organize from there (if supported by multiple ppl).

Regarding bbpress.org edit privileges, AGAIN… who the hell has them? another example of matt not being clear, or at least proof that whoever HAS edit privileges (maybe the few you mentioned) don’t give a rat’s arse about listening to feedback.

Also. IM SICK of people saying “look at TRAC… look at TRAC” … who the hell looks at TRAC? And who the hell actually listens to and implements what is said on TRAC (re: bbpress)? Nobody and barely anybody with power, respectively! TRAC is mostly time wasted back and forth and tickets eventually being rejected or closed by matt or others, or shoved off into the big, vague, undefined world of “backpress.”

THERE IS NO POINT to contribute to trac when matt IGNORES EVERYTHING and nothing has gotten anywhere for 2 friggin years. Why funnel feedback to the top of the chain when only one person, who doesn’t care or listen anyway, is the only person able to activate them?

@Gautam, what due date was set for 1.0.3 cuz I have never come across one, and I know about 20,000 users who would love to know as well.

@Kevin, you are finally starting to come around, but I won’t scare you off with praise.

This is not a “bashing” thread. But if that’s the word you want to use, then yah, maybe matt does deserve a bit of bashing when he disrepects all of us this much.

You can’t really compare open source internet communities to anything in real life. this is not CEO matt or volunteer matt. this is matt, the one dude who has the key to bbpress and refuses to let anyone in the door.

Its perfectly reasonable to demand more from him, and call him out on his crap. christ people, this ain’t The Apprentice.

[Gautam Gupta]

I’m still not sure if its support will be continued or not, I just inferred that from the deletion of 0.9.0.7 milestone.

And thanks for the appreciation!