There are some very specific requirements to claim one of those OpenID bounties. bbPress doesn’t have enough users to qualify.
Currently I can’t imagine bbPress getting native OpenID support, so a plugin is your best bet.
I’m happy to help with the plugin, I’m pretty familiar with bbPress’ authentication routines.
If you integrate bbpress and wordpress.. you can use openID plugin for google on bbpress as you will be sharing the users from wordpress on bbpress..
Hello, my WP 2.2.1 installation has utf-8 encoding –
define(‘DB_CHARSET’, ‘utf8’);
But when I try to integrate WP and BBpress with the help of plugins (bbpress-latest-discussion-for-wp.0.9 and display-name.0.7.2) there are encoding problems.
When I save a post with word “Administrátor” in WP 2.2 – to MySQL it is saved “Administrátor”, which is right. But when I save a topic with word “Administrátor” in BBpress – to MySQL it is saved like “Administr�tor” (or something else – but always wrong), but on forum it can be seen right like “Administrátor”. So, I think there are problems that WP 2.2 and BBpress uses different DB CHARSET (in WP 2.2 it is utf-8, but in BBpress it is something else – I think cp1250). Is it possible to change this somewhere in source files to work properly? Thank you very much for your help…
Too bad Google also has it’s own API and doesn’t do openid (yet?)
But in theory bbpress could be made to use google identities… interesting….
http://code.google.com/apis/accounts/Authentication.html
Apparently there is a $5000 bounty for putting openid into a project? So the bbpress folks could claim that possibly and get some headlines:
http://iwantmyopenid.org/
I’m looking at how openid is done and I think I’ll make the login even more simple for users – I’ll let them choose from like the top five or ten providers in a dropdown, ie.
1. aol
2. livejournal
3. wordpress
4. ??
5. ??
and then tell then to enter their username on that service – that way they don’t need to figure out it’s username.website.com
I wonder if I force all my bbpress logins through wordpress if I can just use that openid plugin there and it will work on bbpress…
only one way to find out I guess…
This would be an excellent addition to bbPress. Hopefully somebody has lots of free time to work on this!
Well i knew about the wordpress theme switcher. What i was really wondering was if someone had already made one for bbpress or was currently making one i guess. Or if there was another way to do what i wanted without having to use a theme switcher.
Thank you for the link though. Ill look at it.
Instead of xml-rpc pingbacks for 0.84 I’d love to see a more useful feature – OpenID support
Apparently wordpress.com has had openid support since March:
http://wordpress.com/blog/2007/03/06/openid/
and here’s a wordpress plugin to allow logins via openid, now we need to port it to bbpress…
http://verselogic.net/projects/wordpress/wordpress-openid-plugin/
This would allow the quarter-million wordpress.com members and 120 million other openid participants to post on any bbpress forum with verified authentication.
I solved all spam on my blogs quite easily – any post with more than one url never gets approved, never displayed. I’ve yet to see spammers not be greedy and only post one url.
I had forgotten about the OpenID standard! We need to try to suggest that to the right people making WP/BB. That would be one of the most useful features ever (wordpress.com has nearly a quarter million registered members!)
update: WAIT! It’s been done?!?!?
http://wordpress.com/blog/2007/03/06/openid/
How do we get openid support into bbpress then?!
added: here’s a wordpress plugin to allow openid, now we need to port it to bbpress…
http://verselogic.net/projects/wordpress/wordpress-openid-plugin/
I’ll start a new topic on this…
It sounds like you really have a wordpress question since everything is running under wordpress… but here’s a plugin for wordpress to switch themes (I haven’t tried it myself)
http://dev.wp-plugins.org/wiki/ThemeSwitcher
I don’t believe there is one for bbPress at the moment, considering there aren’t a lot of themes out there.
We are in perfect sync on that one… having xml-rpc pingbacks in a forum is the most worthless feature idea to ever be thought of. I’ve completely disabled them on wordpress because I don’t think they provide any true value to the reader, and most of them are spam anyway. I’ve written my own simple spam plugin to run in conjunction with Akismet because I was unsatisfied with what I was getting.
Your idea of the wordpress logins would work if they implemented OpenID in bbPress and had wordpress.com as an openid server. Would actually be a killer feature, I’d think.
I’ve hacked up my wp-cache2 to allow for more dynamic code to be called on each post. Most of my content is really very static, so I don’t need it to be updated often.
I’ve never had any issues with it caching the wrong versions though.
I have a theme i ported over to wp and bbpress. It has the option of being one, two and three column’s layout. Im working on getting the other columns ported over i have the basic three column working now.
Theres links under the header to click to switch to each column layout. I want to keep this feature to offer my members. My question is there a simple way for me to let users switch columns? Like using a theme switcher or some other way? Ive searched the support forum here and so far i havent found a user theme plugin switcher on here. Is there one made that im overlooking? Even if there was one just because a user switched themes in the forum doesnt mean it would switch themes in the wordpress….
Can someone help me figure out to accomplish this?
website url: http://slickwhenwet.com/forum <– work in progress
Oh I didn’t realize xcache is just an opcode cache. I already use eaccelerator which seems to have zero quirks compared to other solutions. But yeah, any opcode cache for wordpress/bbpress is a must for any active site.
I already create the sidebar statically across my sites, saves a lot of work and repetition on the db.
the wp-cache “plugin” has flaws in it’s logic. I noticed that unregistered visitors were getting edit links on posts, not good, even if they couldn’t actually edit. Then it has an exclude feature to keep certain parts dynamic, but you can’t have wordpress calls in those dynamic parts because wordpress isn’t actually loaded, which is the whole point. so it won’t work and gives error (#1 confusion to most people trying to use it)
In the end, I hacked wp-cache to only cache the RSS feeds which were causing the most requests, yet the most static of all the content. Caching rss feeds on bbpress should be an easy, useful thing too, but then on a forum I highly doubt the use of rss feeds on anything but the latest discussions.
What really worries me about the 0.84 release is the xml-rpc pingbacks. bbpress is going to become known as the spammers forum of choice with a bad rep, until novices are given an easy option to turn it off, or better yet it’s off by default. I cannot disagree more highly with the entire feature idea. It defeats the entire purpose of a forum. What they are trying to do is have a universal way to cross post across forums but the whole point of a forum is *community* and getting people to actually visit, not stay away.
What they really should do instead of pingbacks if they want easy cross communication, is have a universal login based on a database at wordpress.com – Basically anyone with a wordpress account could visit your wordpress or bbpress site and instantly post if they wanted as “wp.membername” without having to register again and again. Sure there are security issues to be tackled but it’s better than anonymous spam heaven on pingbacks. Akismet won’t protect pingbacks, I see spam in my wordpress.com account every week.
I’m using xcache with very good luck for wordpress, wordpress mu and bbpress on the same server. Also using mysql caching with very good success.
On a forum, the cache probably shouldn’t be the entire page, but rather sections of it or at least the more expensive queries. A visitor who isn’t logged in should probably see an almost completely cached version of the page.
wp-cache2 for wordpress seems to handle this pretty well, and the built-in caching in wordpress mu also seems to work quite well.
> I have to eventually code it to store the country data in the usermeta. But there’s the issue that their IP/location can change on a per-post basis
An upcoming feature is post tagging, you’ll be able to store this data in an “invisible” post tag I believe.
From what I remember the inbuilt cache in bbPress (when turned on) is just an optimised list of topics, posts, forums etc. Not entire pages of html.
MySQL caching is definitely a good idea. I’ve had trouble with eAccelerator in the past though – it used to munge multi-dimensional session data (can’t say if that’s still the case, or if it is a problem for bbPress).
How do you handle caching a page with items only a moderator should see, and then pages that are okay for subscribers, and then pages that are for open public? The cache will have to be rather smart. And then you can’t show any personal information on the page like the user’s name if it’s going to be cached.
bbpress still has some non-optimised routines that don’t use the soft cache, for example on the topic page, I’ve noticed it does a query at the end to fetch all the forums names for the moderator “move this topic” tool. Those should definitely be in the cache but it’s not used.
For a logged out user, I have my topic pages down to 15 queries. That’s the most “expensive page”. It uses 3 more queries for a logged in user (one of them listed above).
But I’ve got this geoip flag function that I wrote to show country flags and unfortunately it’s very “expensive” and adds an extra query for every unique poster on the topic page. There’s no way to stack requests since it must search by range (researched it like crazy but no solutions). I have to eventually code it to store the country data in the usermeta. But there’s the issue that their IP/location can change on a per-post basis and that sometimes I have to patch the geo information because the db gets it wrong. Oh well.
I’ve been posting my optimizations into each of the official forum threads for the plugins… I’m not sure if any of yours were affected or not… can’t remember at this point.
Thanks, Sam.
I’m not sure whether to even touch your last suggestion, about using the latest trunk rather than the latest release. I see the trunk code browser at https://trac.bbpress.org/browser/trunk but I don’t know where to find it as one downloadable archive. And surely the trunk has new bugs and unfinished features, which is why it hasn’t been turned into a new release, right?
Can you give us any hints about what has changed that plugin writers need to know about?
P.S. Where do I find BB_Query?
I applied that fix to my Wp and bbpress from your intergration method so1o and it works great! I put a member cp in my sidebar section for bbpress with the latest comments from wp expecting to cringe from the errors and i never got one. Plus i also have some tags in my footer calling from my wp and that works as well. Im loving this!
The only part i didnt apply on your tutorial was the template intergration where you said to pull the header and footer in. Since the themes i use are the same as my wp themes i didnt see the point in doing that. Glad to say it worked even without using that method though. Keep up the excellent work!
@HowToGeek
Would you mind sharing the work you did to optimise the plugins, I’d be interested if any of them are ones I take care of?
the problems should be fixed in the trunk..
get the trunk version here..
https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/12/page/2?replies=39#post-479
@Null good idea.. i’ll see what i can do..
There is soft user/topic caching, but there’s no hard caching yet. If you look at the code, in cache.php, you’ll see that it’s written to enable file-based caching in bb-cache/, but doesn’t seem to do so at the moment. It probably will in future I guess? If you fiddle you could probably turn it on. mdawaffe is now working on xml-rpc when he’s working on bb at all, so it’s not the next feature at least. I also think he was planning something else for .8.4.
