[Gautam]

I’d love to take on the development of bbPress project, but I would be only available in March, after I get over with my exams.

[chrishajer]

1. I’m not a programmer, I’m a motorcycle mechanic

2. I appreciate the vote of confidence but I am happy to be a moderator and help bbPress users. I’m certain that if Matt thinks bbPress needs a PM other than himself, he knows where to find one.

[bobtheman]

An extremely, over exaggerated word that has been used to change the developmental focus of bbpress is Integration.

Its time we address this burdening issue and close the book on this 2 year old bug, mental or developmental. And to do this we will collectively discussion what integration is, what its not, and what is best for the bbpress project and community in the long run.

1st. One of the most important points that I would like to express is, Integration doesn’t mean Plugin. I could talk till im blue in the face on this, or link old posts where unknowing users use the words interchangeably … but its easier to point to this open and active discussion

http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/bbpress-a-plugin-or-independent-software-with-integration

Integration can mean, user integration, data sharing, shared user profiles etc. This doesn’t have to be just WordPress, but if bbpress is reduced to nothing more than a WordPress plugin, than the future of bbpress is contingent upon wordpress not to mention the effects this has on development “which is evident”

I wanted to keep this topic short and to the point, but isnt to say i wont weigh in with lengthy replys

To end this chapter of confusion and to get bbpress back on trac, on February 14 I propose a IRC meeting which will follow with a blog post of the results with a roadmap for the future.

[grassrootspa]

@Gautam:

Thanks for addressing my plugin and user list tickets

[frooyo]

For what it’s worth, I nominate chrishajer as bbPress Project Lead.

It was brought up as an excellent next step in the thread linked below that Matt closed.

http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/whats-happening-with-bbpress

@chrishajer, I’m not sure if you will accept this nomination. If you do, I’m definitely willing to donate $100 to you to help augment your expenses. I know it’s not much but it’s what I can budget right now.

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Reason why I believe chrishajer is the most qualified:

* To date, chrishajer has been the only remaining devoted lead of bbPress. To my understanding, it’s also the only moderator of this forum beside Matt.

* chrishajer understands the needs of what bbPress users want. He also understands what’s need for a product be successfull, such as: setting release dates, establish features & bug fixes to work on, etc

* people respect chrishajer and would easily take lead from him

[EDITED title chrishajer 11 Feb 2010]

[brevica]

OK, I’ve followed the steps quite a bit, and no integration. Oddly enough, when one is signed in, the other is automatically signed out – you can’t be signed into WPMU and bbP at the same time. Step by step, this is what I did:

1 When installing wordpress/bbpress do NOT use "www." Example: use bbpress.org not http://www.bbpress.org and use the same database. You do not need to change the prefix, I prefer you don't because you'll run into problem later.

Done.

2 Make sure bbpress is in a folder in wordpress. example: wordpress/bbpress/ not on the same level.

Done. WP is in root folder, bbP is in forums

3 The folder does not have to be named bbpress, most people make it forum or forums.

*After successfully installing both programs open wp-config.php (in the wordpress folder) file. Around line # 45-# 48 you'll see define('AUTH_KEY'.... go to this URL (https://api.wordpress.org/secret-key/1.1/salt) and get the EIGHT keys and REPLACE the FOUR keys that are there. Save. Keep the file open for now.

4 Open bb-config.php (in the bbpress folder) do the same thing here. With the SAME keys you put in the wordpress file put in the bb-config file around line # 41-45. You have to add BB_ to the front of the names. Example: BB_AUTH_KEY to all eight. Save. Keep the file open for now.

Done.

5 Clear your cache on your browser. Log into your bbpress dashboard and go to Settings->Wordpress Integration-> WordPress Administrator should be keymaster. Every other option should be member for now. WordPress address (URL) should be the URL again NO www. Blog address (URL) the same as before. The last 3 should be LOCKED if not repeat the steps 3&4.

Done. Address is http://analyticspros.com.s70609.gridserver.com/

6 Login to your wordpress dashboard. Go to Plugins->Add New-> search for "bbPress Integration" it should be the first one. Install it and activate.

7 Go to Settings-> bbPress Integration. Enter the bbPress URL without the www. Your plugins URL leave blank. Click on Save Changes. On the bottom box you'll see some text copy it. Most likely it will say "define( 'COOKIEPATH', '/' );"

Done. This is the code:

define( ‘COOKIEHASH’, ‘c89fdd6b36f463ff1f02811d64f2f597’ );

define( ‘COOKIE_DOMAIN’, ‘.analyticspros.com.s70609.gridserver.com’ );

define( ‘SITECOOKIEPATH’, ‘/’ );

define( ‘COOKIEPATH’, ‘/’ );

8 Paste the line in wp-config.php file around line # 16 (MUST be on top. Don't know why) and paste it in bb-config.php in line # 13 (Must be on top). Save. You can delete the plugin, it's no longer needed.

9 Clear your cache on your browser and you're done.



Known Problems

*Two different database, one for WP and one for BBP, does not always work.

*Changing the database prefix. There are tutorials out there that tell you to do it, just don't.

*Hosting companies that offer free databases, have buggy databases.

*BBpress not being in WordPress folder. I don't think the plugin takes that into account.

*When you upgrade from an older version (wordpress/bbpress) the XX-config.php files are different than what you already have. Check wp-config.php against wp-config-sample.php & bb-config.php against bb-config-sample.php should be fairly simple.

None of the above problems apply to me. Any ideas?

[chrishajer]

Maybe there’s a typo in your folder name or just here. It should be my-languages. Then the file needs to be named exactly as the define statement in your bb-config.php file. Is that all true?

[HeroicNate]

Hi, I’m a freelance graphic designer and I love wordpress and I’ve recently started to love bbpress. I’ve been customizing wordpress themes for a while now and I’ve just started getting into bbpress. Since I’ve been using these two so often, I really want to give something back. I don’t really have money or coding skills to contribute, I was hoping maybe I could help by coming up with a shiny cool template/theme that could possibly be included as one of the default themes. I’ve only just begun to figure out theming in bbpress, but I really want to contribute something, and design skills is what I got(i think ). All I’d need is to possibly be informed on new features or functions that I could design for. I could come up with cool mock-ups, and if the community likes it, I could chop it up into a theme.

[chrishajer]

There could be a plugin that starts with an underscore, so it’s autoloaded. Can you look in your my-plugins directory and see if there’s a plugin with a name like _plugin-name.php – that would autoload. I’m not sure if that will affect the count like you’re seeing.

If I had to guess, I would guess it’s related to the change that was made to strip out the HTML from a post. That would rely on a regular expression (to look for things like HTML code) and could be very inefficient, causing excessive load. It’s a possibility.

Is there an autoload plugin (one that begins with an underscore) and if there is, is it the one that was created to strip out HTML?

[sweetiessecret]

Lots of questions, little answers The original guy who set it up for me can no longer help me. He is too busy for little ole’ me. In December the only thing he did was to make it so that when someone copied and pasted text from any site into a post on the Forum it would strip out the HTML code and bring it over as pure text. He never told me how he did it. I have the original message and date he did it though.

If I could find someone who could work on this I would be happy to pay them. I paid someone and they were not BBPress experts so they couldn’t solve the problem.

I am using a WYSIWYG plug-in to allow the users to Bold, Italicize, etc. the text the put into a post. I disabled that 2 days ago when I had the problem again because the original guy said he didn’t know if it would cause problems. That didn’t solve the problem.

I have no idea how to dump the database.

The other plugins I am using are:

– bbPress Members only

– bbPress TinyMCE Integration (The WYSIWYG plug-in)

– Topics Per Page

I have a few others but they are disabled.

It does show that I have 4 active but only 3 are showing on the list.

Wendy

[kevinjohngallagher]

Yo Gautam,

No tickets with patches should have been changed, 90% sure i checked for them all – really sorry if one slipped through.

Bugs on the other hand, I was selective about the reality of getting them fixed. Take Ticket 215: Post count bug as an example:

• Is it a bug? Yes
• Does it stop BBpress working in any way? No.
• Will it sap development time from getting this release out the door? Possibly.
• So I moved it

I’m definitely not in charge around here, so please, if I’ve moved something you (or anyone else) thinks should be in this Milestone, then please move them back. It’s just that smilies, youtube support etc. had been sitting there for weeks on end. With less fluff in trac for each milestone, hopefully we can get more people interested in testing (as one of the major gripes i hear often is “i don’t know where to start”).

Lets hope we get some of the patches in soon

[bingsterloot]

Oh the drama, the drama )

[kevinjohngallagher]

Hi Matt,

It really is amazing that you’re helping out with BBpress, it’s clearly something you love as much as we do, and we desperately try not to sound ungrateful.

The issue is that when there is no project management, then it’s a bit like herding cats (to quote Jane @ WordPress ;-] ). We all know and apprecaite that you’re busy and that BBpress is going to take a back seat sometimes, that’s to be expected mate. But you can’t have it both ways.

You can’t have a project where the project lead, lead developer, decision maker and talisman disappears for weeks on end; and then also seem unhappy when that doesn’t go down well.

Can you imagine if you released a version of WordPress without beta testing, bulked up the code by 50%, made it 50% slower, broke most plugins, didn’t have any documentation, had all the development team quit, have all bar 1 moderator quit, then leave it for 8 months not entirely working… What sort of response would there be on the WordPress forums? Maybe a bit Chicken Little.

Matt, i’m not a popular guy around here, my french/celtic phrasing winds people up when it’s not my intention at all, trult i apologise if I’ve done that with yourself too. But you’re looking at this from someone who’s been really involved since November, while those of us who’ve been here through 0.9 and 1.02 have a different very viewpoint.

Matt, you have WP3.0, the WPfoundation, maybe BuddyPress1.2, WPcamps, travel, as well as the normal day to day stuff to deal with. Man, we know you’re hella busy and we appreciate your time. But maybe you have to manage expectations a little here. Set some dates, say some hard truths, y’know, actual information “Relax. We’ve done this before” is probably the scariest thing i’ve read on the BBpress forum.

We greatly apprecaite your time mate, maybe you could apprecaite ours by giving us a heads up every now and then, rather than after the fact. Some clever soul built a blogging platform to make it easy to post info on

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There is no date because it’s hard for me to predict how much time I have

-Matt

Versus.

“We take a page from the world of project management and we make a project plan before we jump into the dev cycle…and set a realistic release date that we stick to”

– https://wordpress.org/development/2009/12/setting-scope/

Take Care everyone.

[kevinjohngallagher]

Marius,

My friend, no-one is attacking you here. You’re not using the default theme, you’re using a modified theme. I have the default theme and it doesn’t have a picture of Micahel Jackson anywhere (that i can see at least).

Your issue was a CSS issue, because you had placed attached your CSS code to the wrong DIV for what you were wanting to achieve. It’s nothing to do with BBpress, honestly mate, the issue was a CSS issue with CSS code that you added when you didn’t know what you were doing. A CSS website would make a world of difference to you and your knowledge and ability to edit the themes. I’m not saying that to be cocky, i’m saying it to give you the tools to do these things yourself

When Im asking specifically for location of a code, in the DEFAULT THEME that comes with BBPress, the best place to ask is of course BBPress own forum

That’s the key thing here mate, you were not asking that. You maybe thought you were, but the code that was wrong was in your CSS file, that you added – that’s nothing to do with BBpress.

Given that it was your 2nd thread and your 4th attempt at asking for this solution in under 24 hours, I tried to help out – i gave you the simplest answer because your understanding of CSS was limited . You didn’t understand the simple solutions presented, that’s your web development knowledge, nothing to do BBpress.

No-one is paid to be here matey, we’re all doing this because we want to help BBpress grow But that doesn’t mean we have to be at your beck and call for real time support, nor does it mean that we have to answer basic web design/development questions that don’t have anything to do with BBpress. I’m going to leave this here, clearly we have different opinions, and that’s cool – but for your sake mate, not mine, learning a bit of Web Development skills will make your BBpress life alot easier.

Take care

[Nuul]

“Not to be rude, but no wonder why both Sam and _ck_ left. I’m feeling like a battered women who just now realized that I’ve been abused for the past 2 years. “

-PRICELESS-

He does make some good points. Development is so poor atm, even I am abandoning this forum. bbPress feels kinda dead now, there was some hope when Matt did some involvement, but after 3 irc meetings or so this is gone as well. The last convulsion so to say. More and more people ar leaving and with good reason. Also some bad decisions have been made (in my oppinion) like making it a plugin for wordpress (though I understand why, but I would have liked a stand alone one too) and Backpress intergration (I mean, who is using that at all? It makes the forum way slower and bigger too). To be honest 0.9 is and feels way faster then 1.x and has many good and working plugins.

It’s a shame, it could have been some great forum software, it started so good

[Marius-]

When Im asking specifically for location of a code, in the DEFAULT THEME that comes with BBPress, the best place to ask is of course BBPress own forum. Ask the makers, not the interpretors.

[frooyo]

@Matt

What I’m looking for is someone to clearly define the product roadmap. This is something we have NEVER had.

Even reading the blog, irc and this forum – it’s still unclear to me what should be worked on for the next release. What will make it in, what won’t.

The problem with just looking at Trac is that anyone can just add a ticket to a release. Which then makes it appear the next release will never get completed because tickets just pile up.

https://trac.bbpress.org/roadmap

We need you to:

* Clearly establish what the next major features/work/purpose will be for the next release.

* Define exactly which tickets in Trac should be worked on for each release and those tickets to not work no, move those tickets to a future release.

* Set hard dates to have it completed by so that we have a target to work towards.

The bullets above does the following: It keeps those of us that can code focused to only work on what’s important (and also informs us what to work on if we’re not aware). It gives us a target to hit, right now we’re very blind.

This is what I’m looking for in a Benevolent Dictator. Don’t get me wrong, I love your involved but we need someone to provide some organization.

To give an example of a project that excutes the bullets above well is Edgewall, the makers of Trac. Just look at the following link on how well organized their releases are. Includes release date, pre-req tickets to fix, etc. http://trac.edgewall.org/roadmap

People like to be told what to do. Just tell us what to do … you’d be surprised at how many people will perform once asked and they know the target. (Just saying “please contribute code” is not enough, we need to be told specifically what needs to be contributed)

[Matt Mullenweg]

That’s not how it happened at all. I have been leading the project and sheparding resources in many ways, which is why it started development again after several months of zero activity, but unfortunately I don’t have as much time as I would like. I care about bbPress, otherwise I wouldn’t have spent as much time as I have already, and hopefully as some people leave (I can’t believe you said you feel like a battered woman, the analogy feels completely inappropiate) others will join.

I’ve been keeping up with this conversation with the new email notification feature, for what it’s worth.

[Matt Mullenweg]

Yes, and the dearth of coders is the hardest to work around. Without code contributions bbPress will never be a community project.

[kadr]

I only have one user on the site: the Admin and somehow I locked myself out.

The solution above doesn’t seem to work for me because the strin a:1:{s:9:"keymaster";b:1;} is alreadt inserted in that field…

any other ideas how to gain acces back to my bbpress install?

[kevinjohngallagher]

I wish as much effort went into more productive activity

Like what mate?

Plugins?

Themes?

We’ve been sitting with a semi-functioning release for over 6 months, and there’s a new version coming out at some unknown point in the future, and given the track record, we can’t develop anything for it becasue BBpress releases = break loads of things from before.

Heck even your single solitary remaining moderator has told people that. (i don’t want to requote chris too much, he’s been a great mod who’s workign his socks off here, and don’t want to back him into a corner).

With the upmost respect bud, we can only go on what we’re told. And we’re told to check the blog, then we’re told to check the weekly IRC logs, then we’re told to check trac updates, then we’re told to check commits etc etc. Every time someone pulls a “chicken little” the place they’re told to check for updates doesn’t have any, and then they come back a bit more worried.

We’re not intentionally pulling a “chicken little” every 10 mins matey, we’re just trying to keep up. It takes very little time (thanks to a wonderful blogging platform ;-] ) to post saying “no irc chat for 3 weeks folks”, and the problem is solved.

Much like spam, it’s best prevented before it sets in, rather than being unhappy about it afterwards. May i suggest that less of the “Wizard of Oz” routine (man behind the curtain saying all is well) might diminish some of the “Chiken Little” routine that seems to irk? Maybe communication could be considered your Akismet

What i’m not sure you get it mate (and you might, so i’ll apologise if you do), that alot of us are in limbo with this. We’re all in a holding pattern waiting for this mythical next release, and man, we want to help. But with no communication, its really hard.

http://www.dilbert.com/fast/2003-10-12/

That said, really hope you had a great time on your travels

[Matt Mullenweg]

The sky is falling the sky is falling!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vnp4kj5lLOU

[LizFilardi]

Hi:

I discovered an issue that I just wanted to share:

I installed bbpress in a subdirectory of WordPress without integrating. I used a new database and did not touch cookie integration. There are no plugins or content, as this installation is just for building a new child theme.

My WordPress child theme was designed using the Thematic theme framework. Now, I’m trying to design a bbPress child theme with the Hybrid theme framework.

However, my bbpress child theme will only refer to my WordPress Thematic child theme stylesheets in a completely different directory. This was even true when I tried to hardcode the @import lines in the bbpress child theme functions.php file.

I don’t know the solution, here, but thought I’d share for anyone else. If you want to test a child theme on your server, make sure you don’t install bbpress in a subdirectory of WordPress. I don’t know yet if it will work when I integrate WordPress and bbPress, but I assume it does since so many have already done that.

[kevinjohngallagher]

I was hoping that someone could point me towards BBpress or Automattic’s official stance on this. From what I’ve read, the PHP code that interacts with WordPress/BBpress should all be released under the GPL, but HTML/CSS/JavaScript/Images are not.

I bring this up, because a fellow developer (an old Bbprogress contributor), pointed me towards this piece by Jeff Chandler: http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2010/02/08/where-is-the-line-drawn/

The main thing that caught my attention was the comment of Chip Bennet , who states that:

[a] plugin uses a separate library – and it is that library (presumably not released under GPL) that requires purchase if it is used on a commercial site.

This practice is perfectly acceptable under the GPL. Whether or not it is acceptable under the double-secret probation, unwritten, subjective rules of the plugin repository is anyone’s guess.

Can anyone shine some light on this from a BBpress perspective?

I’m going to quote Matt here:

…that themes link and use lots of internal WordPress functions, which make them linked under the GPL and subject to being a GPL-compatible license.

If a theme (or a plugin) used no internal WP functions or APIs, then it could probably be considered independent, but that would be really really hard for a theme.

Basically, I’m asking because BBpress, probably more than WP (at least if you’re only using WP as blog platform) has potentail for premium theme’s and plugins at this moment in time. Getting some clarification would make things alot simpler.

My real concern here is one that won’t go down well…

BBpress forums have 1 current/active moderator

I ask for two reasons.

Should a premium theme/plugin be created and sold, and given that BBpress currently has 1 active Moderator, what is there to stop someone posting the code here or reusing the code that is NOT under GPL?

Not a huge concern of mine just now, but it seems like a likely question of anyone supporting premium BBpress additions.

[kevinjohngallagher]

Marius, i told you what the problem was:

Your issue has nothing to do with the footer, as it doens’t have any background associated with it. Your image of Michael Jackson is associated with your div with the id of WRAPPER. Your theme, for some reason, has not put the footer inside the wrapper. There is no white block hiding your image when you scroll the bottom, the DIV it’s assocaited with simply stops.

and I told you how to fix it :

Just move your footer inside your wrapper and you’ll fix it

I wasn’t being arrogant or mean, i was being honest with you mate, that if you are struggling with this sort of level of web design basics then this forum isn’t the best place for you – for your sake, not for mine

Your post above, like your post yesterday https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/need-help-placing-a-div-somewhere-for-custom-background hasn’t anything to do with BBpress. I’m not saying don’t ask for help, i’m saying that if you were to go to other websites and learn some of the basics of webdesign you’d have more skills to do it yourself – and thats a great feeling

I’m sorry you thought i was being arrogant, i thought i was being honest AND had told you the solution to your problem.