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  • #74019
    _ck_
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    bbPress will likely travel the same path as WordPress

    so bloat and uneven internal feature adoption is unavoidable

    but my hope is it will happen in far later versions than sooner.

    I will fondly remember and miss the “good old” 0.9 days :-(

    Note I’m not saying NEVER use 1.0, I’m saying for an active site don’t rush into it and perhaps for any new site, don’t start with it, since it can be upgraded.

    Template developers should not use 1.0 until it has extremely wide adoption as it’s features are not backwards compatible, but any template you make in 0.9 will work in 1.0 with virtually no modifications.

    timskii don’t worry about 1.0 not being debugged enough, even before RC1 it has a 10% adoption:

    1.0a6 : 5%
    1.0 ? : 5% (1.0 using pre-a6)
    0.9.x : 52%
    0.8.x : 35% (this is likely wrong, it includes 0.8 installs that upgraded to 0.9)

    #74018
    johnhiler
    Member

    Great points, timskii!

    One note – it’s now possible to integrate bbPress v.9 with the latest versions of WordPress, using either of the plugins here:

    https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/freshly-baked-cookies/

    http://superann.com/2009/02/26/wordpress-26-27-bbpress-09-cookie-integration-plugin/

    I share your concerns about bbPress becoming bloated. :-( I hope the platform doesn’t go down that path… that would be the main thing that would eventually drive me off of bbPress.

    #74012

    Thanks. The space before .Com is intentional but don’t know if I like it. It was just ‘English for University’ before.

    Question: could I add a little image in the header in bbpress – just to the right of the title – to jazz it up a bit? Which file would I need to do that in?

    Metzae
    Member

    First of all, thanks for your help so far…

    I can’t use the WP plug-in because I can’t even log in to activate it.

    I’ve also tried the fix-admin-access plugin but it doesn’t work for me. I get administrator access back but not keymaster access (which means I can’t even see the plugins link in the admin panel). I would edit the database directly if I knew what to change the values to, but so far every time I mess with that it just resets me to “member.”

    I tried the freshly baked cookies plug-in, but I don’t know how to make it work. The notes say that I’m supposed to set my LOGGED_IN_SALT and AUTH_SALT, but they’re both in the WP admin options, and since I can’t log in, I can’t find them.

    At this point I’m willing to just uninstall bbPress and wait until a more stable version comes out, but that won’t solve my main problem, which is my inability to log into WordPress. :o(

    #74017
    timskii
    Member

    I’ve been “testing” 1.0 out privately over the last week, primarily by re-writing my custom code and templates, and then working through every user operation (to check both my changes, and the underlying software). So I’ll try and play devil’s advocate to _ck_’s “don’t upgrade!”

    From the user’s perspective, little has changed. The most significant feature to pull out is the use of Display Names. That’s a huge plus on an “international” forum, because users can now set their names to contain non-English characters. And there’s no need to workaround empty display names in WordPress (when a user registers via BBPress).

    Templating is similarly unchanged. About the most significant change is that the contents of tag-form.php can no longer be altered via a template – which was likely never required anyway. Semantically, existing oddities remain (like the profile edit is still a table), and usability can be clunky in places (when you register successfully, there’s a message that tells you to log in, but nothing immediately helpful, like a login screen).

    Plugins very much depends on how deep they go. The only place I stumbled was in user roles, where the underlying code had completely altered. But I’m not using many plugins, and the custom code I had been using, I’d been prepared to rewrite. (Most of it was a mess anyway!) A clear “your mileage may vary” caveat, and particular risk if one doesn’t understand enough programming to work round anything that breaks.

    Technically, 1.0 feels fairly solid. I have found glitches, but nothing worse than some of the 0.9 versions. 1.0 does perform many more database queries. Like 50 on certain pages. Although it is hard for me to assess the load implications without running it on a public site. Integration worked OK as an upgrade, once I’d realised that the upgrade did not automatically add the new cookie-related keys (which needed to be added manually to the existing config files). The whole package feels more “bloated”, but that may be more the fault of WordPress than BBPress. I just hope BBPress doesn’t evolve into the messy, feature-overloaded forum software I had been trying to avoid.

    So, if I was just running BBPress, on balance I’d stick with 0.9, at least until the dust settles on 1.0.

    But. There’s a but.

    If nobody uses 1.0, hardly anyone is debugging it, hardly anything gets fixed, and so on. There’s a danger of putting 1.0 on the shelf, waiting for someone else to finish it, and then wondering why the bugs never get found. So even if you aren’t running it on a live site, it might be useful to try it out privately.

    Rightly or wrongly, WordPress 2.5.1 makes me increasingly nervous: As times goes on, I’m going to find plugins and templates that aren’t designed for that version. And while it is claimed that 2.5.1 has no security flaws, if almost nobody is using it, the chance of any flaw getting found and reported is also low. In contrast, the latest version is sure to get picked apart and patched back up very quickly.

    And then I started to look at BuddyPress, and… I don’t even know if it’s possible to run that on top of 2.5.1. But you can see the way I’m starting to think: An old BBPress is itself rooting me in the past. And while I knew it was unfinished software when I started using it, I had rather assumed it would at least keep pace with WordPress, not get left a year behind.

    So right now, it’s a rather person decision. All other things being equal, I tend to agree with _ck_.

    However, I see a lot of WordPress 2.7+ blogs with phpBB forums hosted alongside. And naturally no integration between them. In the near future, that’s the first big, obvious “market” for BBPress. Yet almost all those people need compatability with the latest WordPress. For us “early adopters” that’s important: Some of those new BBPress users will write plugins and templates, and they won’t bother trying to support outdated code. Once that starts to happen, old 0.9 users will find they are missing out – which will probably be the time for most existing users to upgrade.

    johnhiler
    Member

    Ah those two versions of bbPress and WordPress are not cookie compatible, without some extra plugins. Either of these two should work – one upgrades your bbPress cookie, and the other one downgrades your WordPress cookie.

    https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/freshly-baked-cookies/

    http://superann.com/2009/02/26/wordpress-26-27-bbpress-09-cookie-integration-plugin/

    Sometimes bbPress will lose keymaster access during reverse integration – try this to fix that:

    https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/fix-admin-access/

    Metzae
    Member

    Update…

    I just realized that my account isn’t working properly on either site. I can log into bbPress but now I don’t have full. I wanted to install a plugin but there’s no option to do so (even though there was one a few minutes ago). It says I’m listed as an Administrator, but not the Key Master.

    I checked phpMyAdmin and these seem to be the most relevant fields…

    dharmaguild_capabilities a:1:{s:13:”administrator”;b:1;}

    dharmaguild_user_level 10

    Metzae
    Member

    bbPress 0.9.0.4

    WordPress 2.7.1

    I just followed the automated installer to integrate the two. At first I had issues because I’d mistakenly installed WordPress in the wrong database. So, I wiped the bbPress from my database, exported/imported the WP information to the correct database, made sure WP was working properly, then installed bbPress again. Everything worked fine for bbPress (and it still does) but now WP isn’t working.

    I checked the forums a bit and looked at my database using phpMyAdmin to see if there was some setting on my user name that had been tweaked, but honestly I don’t know it well enough to tell at a glance if it’s okay. But, like I said, bbPress is working fine and the *front end* of WordPress is working fine…just not the users.

    johnhiler
    Member

    What versions of bbPress and WordPress are you using?

    And what techniques/plugins did you use to integrate the signins?

    #73739
    eraticdance
    Member

    Never mind. I got the plugin and installed it and now the cookies look like wordpress_logged_in_12341234…

    It’s still not working, but that’s progress.

    #73738
    eraticdance
    Member

    “Remember you will still need the bbPress Integration plugin on the WordPress side to drop the bbPress cookies.”

    What is the bbPress Integration plugin on the WordPress side? I’m trying to set up user integration, but the cookie that gets generated on the WP side is wordpress_logged_in_ only, and not wordpress_logged_in_xxxxxxx, as I think it should be.

    Thanks.

    #74016
    _ck_
    Participant

    I highly encourage the use of 0.9 until (and maybe even through) 2010

    1.0 is a different creature internally than 0.9 and while 0.9 has a few years of development and debugging (and compatible with most plugins) 1.0 has none of these things.

    IMHO 1.0 should *never* have been called 1.0

    0.9 should have been finalized and released as 1.0

    and then what is now being called 1.0 should have been called 1.5

    People simply do not understand that 1.0 is not some kind of minor upgrade to 0.9 with just incremental fixes – large portions of code have been changed or replaced entirely. Certain database tables have been completely replaced into a much more complex scheme, etc.

    Remember, you can *never* downgrade once you start with/upgrade to 1.0

    but there is always an upgrade path from 0.9 to 1.0

    (someone someday might be crazy enough to write a downgrade routine for 1.0 to downgrade the database tables but it won’t be me)

    There is also no clear path for bbPress from Automattic.

    They are replacing the WP code base with WPMU, which means the purpose of the extremely labor-intensive drive to integrate BackPress into bbPress 1.0 is now even more unclear.

    I’ve yet to see a single feature/ability in 1.0 that you will miss with 0.9

    ps. I also think WP 2.5 is the last decent version of WP made but that’s for another forum

    #73995
    _ck_
    Participant

    “Change Number of Front Page Topics” was formalized into a better plugin here:

    https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/front-page-topics/

    #74011
    michael3185
    Member

    Apologies! I just re-uploaded it after you downloaded it, so grab it again. I added a needed plugin to the bbVanilla.zip file, which you should FTP to your my-plugins folder (no need to activate it). That provides a consistent warning/error page for various things.

    Also, if you really want the Latest Topics at the top of the front page (a mess in my group’s eyes) then I can show you how add back it easily, or do it for you.

    Just noticed on your site (looking sxc by the way); there’s a gap in front of .com in the title (intentional?), and you’ve left the default ‘Just another bbPress community’ message in the banner (Admin, Settings to change).

    #74010

    Yes, thanks for the vanilla tip, very nice! I might stick with it. It’s the correct colour and simple!

    #74009
    michael3185
    Member

    No, that’s how the theme comes, to fit 800×600 I think. I altered the background image to make it wider, then changed the container width in the css, but it didn’t suit my user group.

    Prof, you might like to try my new theme at http://getfiles.letsdoo.org – it’s a very clean layout, with some (very slightly) modified plugins to give a consistent user interface, and also fits 800×600 but doesn’t look squished. Same procedure; just FTP the bbVanilla folder to my-templates, then enable it in Admin. You can always delete it if it doesn’t suit, but looking at your site I think it’d go well with the academic content.

    #74008
    johnhiler
    Member

    I’m not sure either. But the stylesheet is showing up now! The design is a bit more narrow than the one on bbpress, but hopefully that’s a change you made! :-)

    #74007

    Well,,,,I looked in header php and found that the style sheet it was looking for was my-templates/bbpress etc… but I saw that on my server it is bb-templates/bbpress etc…. So I just changed ‘my’ to ‘bb’. But I’m not sure why I had to do that…

    #74006
    johnhiler
    Member
    #74005

    OK I’ve read that. I have checked bb templates on my server and all the files have 755 permissions.

    Still weird though:

    http://englishforuniversity.com/forum/bbpress/

    #74004
    johnhiler
    Member

    chmod is a way to change your file permission settings. More on that here. :-)

    https://codex.wordpress.org/Changing_File_Permissions

    #74015
    johnhiler
    Member

    I am also sticking with v 0.9x for now! If your site is working nicely now and you’re happy with how it’s going… there’s no need to change your platform.

    I hear that version 1 will have better post-level meta data support? That’s exciting and something I’m looking forward to. Other than that, this is what Sam wrote about version 1.0:

    “There is no feature list as such. In fact, you will find that not much has changed at this stage on the front end. The main difference is that we are now using the BackPress library for core functionality. There are some other “under the hood” changes as well, like the introduction of WordPress’ taxonomy structure for storing tags and the creation of a global meta table which can store metadata for forums, topics and posts as well as site options. The global meta table can also store custom meta from plugins.

    The major cosmetic difference is the new admin area which is modelled on WordPress.”

    #74003

    erm…”make sure you’ve the chmod 755 to my-templates/ ” can you explain what that means please?

    #74002
    michael3185
    Member

    … and the folder the forum is in, come to that. (Mind you, an error there would perhaps stop anyone seeing anything at all..?)

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