[arpowers]

definitely a cool site.

[arpowers]

Not sure about BuddyPress yet, we haven’t tested it.

Haven’t quite decided if BuddyPress is something we should think about in our devel0pment. (how widely used is it?)

[ncsilva]

Hi Everyone –

I’ve searched around the forum trying to find a solution to the issue I’m having, but didn’t have any success.

When a user comes to my forum, and clicks the “Add New Topic” link, without being logged in, they are presented with a Forbidden error. As it stands, the address they are being linked to is:

http://mysite.com/forum/bb-login.php?re=http://mysite.com/forum/?new=1

If I manually edit the URL to display as:

http://mysite.com/forum/bb-login.php?new=1

the user is presented with the login page before being able to post.

I currently have my bbpress installation integrated with wordpress. I didn’t do anything out of the ordinary when integrating, and followed the directions perfectly.

[semir]

Hi,

I am a new user…

I downloaded bb Attachments and installed on bbPress 1.0.2. I have tried to modify the path for “bb-attachments” (upload) folder but without success …

I modify the bb-attachments.php on the line 75:

$bb_attachments=dirname($_SERVER).”../../private/bb-attachments/”;

And of course I changed the write permission of this folder but I can not upload files I have only a message with “failure”.

Have any suggestion ? Thanks

(I hope you understand my English)

[Fernando Tellado]

I have all these plugins working fine in 1.0.2

[michayu]

@grassrootspa

There’is a lot of cons&pros.

The decision makers must keep in mind all the WP/BB/BP community interests.

[kevinjohngallagher]

I’m really confused. I’ve read the IRC chat meetings (not sure why it took 13 days to post them but anyway), and I have to say that I’m really confused.

Right off the bat I hold my hands up to very little development outside of customising WordPress and writing BBpress plugins in the last 2 years, so this is all from a Project Management / BA perspective.

• Your 3 biggest tags from posts are: WordPress, Integration, Plugin.
• Every week, you have more posts on WordPress integrations thatn any other single topic.
• You advertise as one of your key features “wordpress integration”.
• You hold a poll to see what features people want, “wordpress integration” tops it. Infact it wins with 50% of the votes, or 520% more votes than its nearest competitor.

Now, seems to me, that the top priority in terms of new features, documentation and communication should be fairly obvious.

[21:28 GMT] <photomatt> 1. bug fixes

[21:29 GMT] <photomatt> 2. email notification

[21:29 GMT] <photomatt> 3. anon comments from filosofo

And obviously that’s… Email notifications? No… wait… Anonymous Comments?

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From a Project Management standpoint, here’s the problem:

• BBpress0.9 has both of these features as working plugins. But it cant integrate with WordPress.
• BBpress1.0.2 doesn’t have these features, but can integate with WordPress. (Can anyone confirm that 1.0.2 integrates with 2.9.1 out of the box? – I can’t get it to work)
• So now we’re working on BBpress1.1 which will have these 2 very important features working but may or may not integrate with WordPress.

If BBpress 1.1 doesn’t integrate with WP2.9.1 (or the latest point release at the time of BBpress1.1’s release) or heaven forbid WordPress 3.0… then it’s exactly the same position as BBpress0.9 – just two years down the line and with less plugins working. We’ll have features we had 2 years ago and still not be able to integrate BBpress and WP. All we’ll have done is move 2 plugins into the core – and that’s really all we’ll have done in 2 years.

I’m not quite sure if this analogy fits across the world but in PMI terms (and I think Prince2 if you’re a European like myself) this is called “building a House on Sand”. Adding a turret aint going to help when the tide comes in (or a new version of WP is released).

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If I move this away from features a minute (as everyone wants different features and I want to make this an abstract point not a specific one).

When will BBpress1.1 be ready?

I’m not looking for an exact date, we all know that’s impossible for any project like this, but roughly when will it be ready – any good PM knows this.

If there’s no bugs, and email subscription is working, that leaves Anonymous Comments to convert, +testing + release etc. Either way, I’m sure Matt has a rough idea in his head about how long until 1.1, even if it’s a ballpark figure. (Matt, im not expecting you to give us even a rough date as people will only keep you to it, and that’s not the sort of pressure you need right now/at all).

So, when is WordPress 3.0 coming out? What is the likely-hood, given both WP and BBpress’ history, that any existing integration will no longer work with WP3.0? Would it be too pessimistic to think its at least 50/50 that it’ll break?Is it too optomistic to think its 100% likely to work first time?

If we take the best case scenario, that BBpress1.0.2 works seamlessly with WP2.8, WP2.9 & WP3.0 and that BBpress1.1 works seamlessly with WP2.9 & WP3.0 – what’s going to happen to BBpress once we hit 1.1? Matt’s the sole developer, and there’s no way he’s not going to be involved in some format in WP3.0 not to mention all the WordPress Camps and the usual stuff.

It either means that BBpress gets handed over to someone else (again), or there’s a large amount of time between BBpress 1.1 and BBpress1.2 as WP3.0 has to be developed and released in between them. Given that BBpress1.1 is effectively cosmetic (2 features with used to work now working again), are we seriously looking at over a year between releases with new functionality?

And that’s the best case scenario!

Even if BBpress 1.1 does integrate nicely with 2.9, what if it doesn’t integrate with WP3.0? Are we going to get a patch or a plugin for BBpress 1.1 to make it work with WP3.0 if it doesn’t integrate? Will BBpress integration be Matt’s priority once WP3.0 comes out, given that 1) heck its not a priority now and 2) the plan is to make BBpress a Canonical Plugin from 1.2(-ish) ?

[21:26 GMT] <photomatt> bbPress will definitely be a WP plugin

[21:26 GMT] <photomatt> but don’t want to change the data structure decision until 1.2-ish

No, if BBpress 1.02 or BBpress1.1 don’t integrate with WP2.9 or WP3.0 is Matt or Automattic (cos i’m not wanting to pin this on Matt the person) going to suddenly reverse its decision and make BBpress integration a company priority? Of course not, that makes no sense.

Realistically, its integrate it now, or accept it ain’t going to be integrated.

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This post looks rather doom and gloom, and I’m sorry for that, it’s not my intention. Here is my intention: Any Project Manager worth his/her salt would look at the above scenario with scepticism/fear/consider-quitting

Spending time developing software to hit a target that has 1) moved since first developed (WP2.7 -> WP2.9) and 2) will move again (WP2.9->WP3.0) soon after the software is released is, respectfully, lunacy.

This madness is then going to be compounded by rewriting the software in less than 6 months time? Then what is the upside/point of BBpress1.1?

The return of 2 features? The galvanising of the forum? BBpress has bloated in size since 0.9, moved away from what it was originally coded for, and lost useful functionality in the process. Going further down this path simply to rewrite it (mostly) as a WP plugin after 3.0 is out defies logic.

The only upside is if you can guarantee that BBpress1.1 can integrate with the latest version of WP and the release after that. Otherwise we’re developing software that has a shelf life of 3-4 months at most. Of course that can’t be guaranteed as WordPress Integration isn’t being worked into BBpress1.1.

If WP3.0 is being worked upon just now, if its in the early Project Management / Scoping stages, why isn’t the idea mooted that BBpress be reworked now as a Canonical Plugin?

The people that use BBpress now, for the most part, aren’t going anywhere. If we’re here now, we’re locked in to its current form – and we’ve already had to accept that keeping our system secure by keeping up to date with WP is not going to happen, we’ve accepted the last 6 months-ish of no updates.

BBpress’s major setback has been the fact that it’s on a different release cycle to WordPress and that integration has never been easy, simple, straightforward and infact that integration documentation has never been written.

By developing BBpress1.1 independent of WP3.0, we confine ourselves to a project that promotes itself with one major selling point that it doesn’t live up to; not to mention waste development time and turn people away from the project.

The BBpress project is/”was 6 weeks ago” at its lowest point, development had stalled for 6 months, the developer had quit, moderators had quit, plugin developers had quit, integration doesn’t work, plugins don’t work, information on the website is hideously wrong/out of date/wrong/misleading/wrong, the documentation website is now a porn links website etc etc etc.

From a PM/BA point of view, that’s the perfect time to start scoping and moulding the software to where you want to take it.

Hold up your hands and say “sorry its gotten like this, we dropped the ball, lets do this in a way we wanted to”. Don’t be tied into the same mistakes by chasing the dragon of “just one more release then we’ll fix integration”.

If you want BBpress to be a WP plugin, now is the time to develop for that. Take the code that works and run with it, don’t let history repeat itself with the idea of adding more and more to paper over the cracks – when WP updates or Plugins don’t work those cracks are very obvious.

<br />

WP:---2.3

2.5

2.6

2.7

2.8

2.9

3.0?

<br />

BB:

0.9

1.0a

1.0

1.1?

1.2?<br />

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it – George Santayana

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Matt,

please please please read your own blogs: Setting Scope

What’s our proposal? We take a page from the world of project management and we make a project plan before we jump into the dev cycle.

As an open source project, we accomplish more when we work together than we do following individual agendas, and we need to keep our project focused on commonly-agreed-upon goals instead of following tangents…

Surely, as i stated at the start, the commonly agreed goal is WordPress Integration:

• Your 3 biggest tags from posts are: WordPress, Integration, Plugin.
• Every week, you have more posts on WordPress integrations thatn any other single topic.
• You advertise as one of your key features “wordpress integration”.
• You hold a poll to see what features people want, “wordpress integration” tops it. Infact it wins with 50% of the votes, or 520% more votes than its nearest competitor.

While “instead of following tangents whenever a community member starts to take us on one, regardless of whether it’s to follow a cool idea that everyone loves” is:

• email notification
• Anonymous Posting

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Thank you all for reading, i know its not a short post,

Take care.

[Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)]

This works fine on my 1.0.2 install:

Unread Posts https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/unread-posts/

[grassrootspa]

@michayu & nerieru:

bbPress can top vBulletin but downgrading it from a standalone product to a more-complicated-to-install WordPress plugin is not the way to go.

[radhoop]

Hello all,

I just installed the lates version of bbpress on my web server. The main page works fine and I can login as a keymaster but when I press on Admin to go to the adminstration panel (dashboard) this is how it looks : http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4049/4270970619_4cca4252e7_o.jpg . Any solutions ?

Thanks.

[nerieru]

@michayu

Interesting read, thanks. Seems like we’ll have to top that, huh? vBulletin 4.0 is i mean

[michayu]

“It’s time for Drupal to take on vB4”

(Some interesting thoughts from Drupal community)

“vbulletin 4 was released late last year and there seems to be a consensus that it’s a disappointment. Jelsoft (the company that brought us the original software) was bought out and the current developers are, imo, more concerned with quick turnover than delivering a solid project. This thread is not to bash the current programmers, as I’m sure they work very hard. But since vb4 comes with a CMS (a buggy, feature-anemic one at that), now seems like the perfect time for Drupal to take the charge.

There has never been a fully functional integration between vbulletin and a robust CMS. If a webmaster wants a great CMS and a great forum, we have to settle for a buggy bridge/plugin/module (Drupal/Wordpress to vbulletin). If a webmaster wants true user and content integration with no bugs, we have to settle for the inferior forum (Drupal). A complete solution has been in high demand for years, but I suspect it’s never come to fruition because it would require months of hardcore coding to duplicate the functionality of vbulletin. Maybe programmers feel their time is better spent developing paid services, or contributing to an open source forum like phpBB.”

Full post:

http://drupal.org/node/682094

[gr0x0rd]

The issue is being caused by the following line of code in bb-login.php:

$re = bb_get_uri( $re , null, BB_URI_CONTEXT_HEADER );

before this function call, $re = /subdir/bbpress . Afterward, $re = http://mysite.org/subdir/bbpress/subdir/bbpress/ . Either there is a bug in this function or something is wrong with my configuration.

Commenting out this line has fixed the redirection issue upon login, however, I still do not have access to the Admin area.

As someone who has written a number of forums in the past, I was really hoping for a turnkey solution with bbpress. I hope someone can provide an answer as to why I cannot access the administration area before I have to take the time to dig through the code for answers myself…

Thanks in advance for any help or guidance.

~g

[r-a-y]

Chris is right; bbPress is included in BuddyPress already, although there are some limitations:

– most, if not all, bbPress plugins need to be ported over to BuddyPress

– there’s no bbPress backend in BuddyPress

Also, is there a way of converting bbPress to BuddyPress?

Basically, you’ll need to create groups in BuddyPress and then determine which bbPress posts fit which groups.

Read what CUNY Commons did – http://dev.commons.gc.cuny.edu/2009/12/06/upgrading-from-buddypress-1-0-to-1-1/. Specifically the “Dealing with bbPress forums” section.

[r-a-y]

Sorry to bump an old topic, but I just wrote a writeup on the BuddyPress forums detailing how to hide BuddyPress group forums on an external bbPress install:

https://buddypress.org/forums/topic/how-to-hide-bbpress-forums-from-users-while-allowing-forums-in-buddypress-groups#post-33582

This addresses anandasama’s problem.

[chrishajer]

From what I understand, bbPress is basically already included in BuddyPress.

From here: https://bbpress.org/blog/2009/12/2009-12-09-meetup/

[13:55] <jjj> junsuijin is right again. Frankly apeatling has already made bbPress a plugin, it’s just part of BuddyPress that includes all of the extra social things that forums have; profiles, pms, friends, etc…

[13:56] <apeatling> If the integration code is extracted from BuddyPress and moved into bbPress then we could get it integrating with one click tomorrow.

[13:56] <apeatling> it’s not a lot of code

So maybe it’s not really truly inside BuddyPress already, but parts of it are. I don’t use BuddyPress so I can’t comment first hand, just repeat what I’ve seen elsewhere.

[nickaster]

Well this is interesting. From the perspective of someone with one blog, I guess I’m not too bothered by the idea of this becoming a plugin, but it sounds like a potential nightmare for someone who’s already put some effort into customizing a theme and a lot of features of the bbpress.

[josh16]

Dude awesome! Will it work with BuddyPress?

[Raize]

There both the same thing why would you even care to convert from one to the other

[josh16]

Or is it going to stay a separate project and hopefully improve? I was just wondering because I’m planning on switching to BuddyPress since it already has most of the same characteristics as bbPress, almost like it’s built-in.

And will the bbPress project continue and hopefully gain more attention from the Automattic folks soon?

Also, is there a way of converting bbPress to BuddyPress?

[Raize]

vBulletin comes with this functionality built in, and I find it very useful. I used it for the “School News” category on my forum, where it pulls in headlines from the school newspaper. In this case, they have chosen not to include full text in the RSS Feed, but for feeds that do, it can be readily displayed in the thread that is created. I’m looking for a similar application here, to allow me to pull feeds from other sites in my network and drive traffic to them from my forum community.

Hope this works out, I’m looking forward to applying it.

[citizenkeith]

Hello folks,

It’s my hope that this thread can help move bbPress Plugin development forward. I’m not a programmer but I use bbPress for two different sites. One site is running v0.9.0.6 and the other is running v1.0.2.

I am considering upgrading my 0.9 forum to 1.0.2, since development is beginning to move forward, and some plugins are getting updated. Before making that decision, I decided to go through all the plugins I currently use in 0.9 and see if they have been updated, or in the very least, tweaked by current users. My method for checking this was to read through all the plugin threads for comments or tweaks, and to test some in my 1.0.2 forum.

I broke my list down to five separate lists:

1) Plugins that work

2) Plugins that work, with some bugs (according to some users)

3) Plugins that don’t work

4) Plugins that work with tweaks/changes

5) Plugins that may or may not work (conflicting info in threads, no comments since v1.x was released, etc)

I will only post lists 2-5.

I welcome your comments. If you have specific comments or tweaks, please post them in the that plugin’s thread (see links below).

Not working:

Move It

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/48

Works with bugs:

bbVideo

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/bbvideo/

Members Online

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/members-online/

Not sure if it works:

BBcode Lite for bbPress

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/bbcode-lite/

bb Topic Views

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/bb-topic-views/

BBcode Buttons Toolbar

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/bbcode-buttons/

Topics Per Page (a.k.a. Front Page Topics)

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/front-page-topics/

New User Notification

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/new-user-notification/

Post Count Plus

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/post-count-plus

Unread Posts

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/unread-posts/

Works with additional fixes in plugin thread:

Admin add user

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/admin-add-user/

Approve User Registration

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/approve-user-registration/

bbPress Attachments

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/bb-attachments

Plugin Browser for bbPress:

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/plugin-browser-for-bbpress/

[nerieru]

@grassrootspa I agree, but I think he made the decision to bring back some life in bbpress. But that’s just speculation though. I’ll ask about it in the meet tomorrow that’s for sure.

[gr0x0rd]

Hi all…

First time bbPress user, found installation to be fairly simple, got up and running quickly enough. However, after logging in for the first time, I am redirected to an incorrect URL. During installation I was asked for the URL where my bbpress installation will be, and that was easy enough:

http://mysite.org/subdir/bbpress/

When I log in with my keymaster account (the only account so far) I am instantly redirected to

http://mysite.org/subdir/bbpress/subdir/bbpress/

From what I can tell, this redirection is preventing me from getting the necessary creds to access the Admin area: when I click the Admin link, I’m just instantly redirected back to the index page, and logging out and back in again as suggested in other threads has no effect.

Can anyone shed some light on how to fix this redirection issue?

Many thanks,

~g

[surfeuse]

keep bbpress going peoples!