[kevinjohngallagher]

Akismet is not great on forums, it catches alot of legitamite posts and marks them as spam. That said, it also catches a good percentage of the spam too.

On one of my forums, 100+ spammer registrations a day is about the norm. One of WordPress and bbPress’s plus sides is it’s easy to register, so there’s alot of automated bots out there.

Not having Akismet activated with the amount of registrations / traffic you’re recieving is probably a bad idea.

Phpbb has a feature where you have to approve a member’s registration before they become members

Thats not built into the core, infact very few moderation abilities are; but I’m sure there’s plugins to enact such functionality. Zaerl had something like that I belive.

I am using WordPress MU, the Buddypress Magazine theme

bbpress is not built to, and does not play well with WPMU.

If you’re using WPMU, I strongly strongly advice BuddyPress instead of bbPress.

They are somewhat integrated

We probably need somewhat more information

[kevinjohngallagher]

As long as you’re ok with me writing this without testing:

<title>

<?php bloginfo('name'); ?>

<?php

if( function_exists('bb_title'))

{

bb_title();

} else {

wp_title();

}

?>

</title>

[jbrzr3]

Wow, why is this happening? Do any of you have the same problem? Phpbb has a feature where you have to approve a member’s registration before they become members. Does Bbpress have something similar?

Also, my akismet is not activated. I am using WordPress MU, the Buddypress Magazine theme. They are somewhat integrated. However, when a user signs up via the bbpress forums and not on the main page of the website which is WPMU, that user will not show up in dashboard of the WPMU, only the bbpress listing of users.

If I activate Akismet, will I kill my site?

-j

[Paulo Faustino]

Hi Kevin, i added your recomendation but there’s one small problem. Now, the bbpress is calling both titles: from the blog and from the forums as you can see here: http://www.escoladinheiro.com/forums/

How can i say that i want it to exclude the blog one?

[kevinjohngallagher]

So here’s my thing:

– Is anyone working on the theme?

– If so, who?

– Can we get some form of notification when there’s been a theme update/bug-fix?

– How often is this site getting updates from the SVN?

– What software is running the static pages? (wordPress or hacked bbPress)

I ask this because I’m never sure if something is a bug from the nightly build, a theme bug, or a bug from (what appears to be) the hacked pages from bbPress.

If we take the HomePage as an example, and seriously “the homepage is broken” should be setting alarm bells off somewhere in Automattic; i’m not sure if this is down to someone trying to fix the theme, or a nightly build error, or compatability, or just not testing or what?

With respect, the theme roll out was half-assed and for the most part untested. I’m not fussed about the font-size issue; but once again the management issue behind it. Who thought it would be a good idea to take an untested 9 month old design/theme and put it onto live enviroment with ever changing software base (nightly builds) and then not test it??

*sigh* and I was trying so hard not to complain

[kevinjohngallagher]

Hi Paulo,

This is one of the main issues with bbPress and WordPress. Here is a quick and dirty fix which should solve your specific issue:

<?php if( function_exists('bb_title')) { bb_title(); } ?>

Put this in your WordPress header theme next to the closing title tag like this:

<title>

// WordPress code

<?php bloginfo('name'); ?>

<?php wp_title(); ?

// but this line after the existing WordPress code

<?php if( function_exists('bb_title')) { bb_title(); } ?>

</title>

Realistically though, in the long term, duplicating the themes in bbpress and WordPress is the best way forward.

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Additionally,

On your WordPress pages there’s a popup delivered from “MaxBlogPress”, that is running an annoying little script that messes with browsers. It keeps moving further down the page, so that when you hit the bottom of the page it keeps making it longer and longer and longer etc. Apart from being annoying, it made it look like your site had been hacked. I hope thats not the case Bro, but if it is, you can go looking for it in your code.

It doesn’t appear on the bbPress pages, only WordPress pages.

[Paulo Faustino]

Hi Kevin, the problem is my header and footer are running a lot of custom codes for grabbing my subscribers and twitter counters for example. This information is grabbed from WordPress plugins that connect on Feedburner and Twitter API’s. I have also the problem that the blog uses a 960 grid system for the layout. I’m really unsure how to move the header and footer to my bbpress folder without crashing everything

[Kevin Muldoon]

Paulo – I really think the best thing for you to do is to copy the header and footer design from your main blog to your bbpress design.

This will stop problems like this. bbPress integrates with WordPress well from a member point of view, however the design aspect of it is still separate.

It honestly shouldn’t take you longer than 30 minutes to copy the design over. Give me a buzz if you are unsure.

[Paulo Faustino]

Exactly chris There isn’t any title for those pages at this moment

[chrishajer]

You want to make sure that the topic title (the post title of a forum entry) appears on the page (it is now), but also in the <title> tag of the page, for SEO?

So this page:

http://www.escoladinheiro.com/forums/forum/wordpress

Should have some variation of this title:

Forums de Webmarketing e Afiliados » WordPress – Programação

?

[Paulo Faustino]

Hi chris, thanks for the reply. I only that the titles appear just like on my normal WordPress entries. On the forum, if i click on a post or topic, there isn’t any title for that I’m not trying to automate content. I only want that my forum has it’s own pages/posts titles, not only to appear on the top browser, but also to help them rank in search engines.

I think this problem appears because i’m defining the title of this bbpress posts/pages in my wordpress header, but not the friendly way

[chrishajer]

What do you expect to happen? Do you want WordPress posts/pages to appear as forum topics automatically, or are you trying to display a list of WordPress posts/pages?

[Paulo Faustino]

Hello People,

I’ve made a deep integration of Bbpress into my WordPress blog as you can see at http://www.escoladinheiro.com/forums but i’m getting a very big problem. I can’t make page/post title to appear as my bbpress topic/posts titles. I’ve searched for about 8h on google and i didn’t found any solution for this. There’s anyone that can help me define this titles?

I’m using the header and footer of my main WordPress blog. There’s any way i can define that if the page/post is from bbpress, it’ll call the page title from bbpress? With this mess, i can’t even make a sitemap for the forum

If anyone can share some sort of code to implement on my wordpress for fixing this, i really appreciate. If needed, i can pay for the work.

Thanks in advance.

Paulo

[KentonMr]

@kevinjohngallagher

Hey ho!

Perhaps it is just that the forums I participate in (well most of them) and especially the subject specific ones seem to have very disciplined users.

I have seen and heard of the rabble that frequent some other forums probably with many 1000’s of visits per day.

The specific site I’m developing (redeveloping) currently has 100-200 per day and has been pretty constant for years – it is a fairly close and insular community that is not there to take over the web

It has outgrown the current coding which has proved difficult to maintain, has evolved through several programmers and is unmanageable. Taking PmWiki and bbPress “off the shelf” has enabled the regeneration of the site in the manner intended with, so far, only minor but resolvable hiccups.

Both products meet the needs of being lightweight and easy to use with minimal implementation effort. Even if the documentation of bbPress leaves much to be desired – unless it is hidden away somewhere I’m yet to find.

The problem I have with wordpress is much like the problem I have with Microsoft products- They start out simple and easy to use with minimal functionality then bloat into leviathans that are full of functionality that is neither required or in line with the way users are used to doing things.

[kevinjohngallagher]

@KentonMr

I’ve no issue with us disagreeing on things, heck if we all agreed on everything it’d be a boring life; but you’re making a few leaps here mate.

To state that WordPress is difficult to customise is, frankly, absolutely mental. WordPress’ strength was and is just how amazingly easy it is to customise. Thats not to say it’s the best tool for every job, but “[WordPress] is difficult to customise”?? lunacy.

To also suggest that WordPress has un-managed comments from visitors show a total lack of knowledge of it. WordPress handles comments and visitors amazingly well. Pagination, threading, custom types, moderation, different theming, searching, functions oh my the list goes on and on. Again, it’s not the best tool for every job, but “un-managed comments from visitors” is so wrong a statement its unreal.

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All of that aside, as I said above, creating a post to bbPress button or plugin for WordPress would be easy. In the same way you’ve managed to get yours working.

But I commented on between what yourself and Lethality wanted to do, is that you’d only mentioned about the initial stages, and not how the users would react or use the site. If you want to define the topic of conversation and have users comment on it – guess what, thats a 1 to 1 conversation. If you want to define a topic and have users comment on it but allow them to comment on each other’s commnet, thats a 1 to many conversation (threading). bbPress and forums on the whole don’t work that way, not because someone hasn’t thought it up before, but because the user doesn’t think that way.

Paul Hawke made a good example about a site in the MMORPG community. I replied with a similar one, showing how this way of thinking would work, as long as it was followed through for the user. I also quantified this:

slightly off topic (big shock) but this sort of thing depends on the usergroup immensely. people who play mmorpgs as an example are used to forums and doing things in front of others; where as say a Classical Music Magazine website/blog’s users might not be really up for entering a forum flame war

Over the years we’ve had loads of requests for weird and wonderful things in bbPress. Some cool, some not, some interesting, some not. How many cool and interesting forums (bbPress or not) that work differently to the norm do you see out there? There is a reason for that. It’s not because I’ve got a different view, or becasue I’m being difficult, it’s becasue Users go with what they know. If you plan to do anything in a slightly different way, you have to also plan for any and all ways random users will attempt to either do things the way they know or a new way.

A very wise man at Microsoft once said:

Users on websites are like the frogs at the end of Jurassic Park.

No matter how much you think something through, how much technology you put in place, how much you hope they’ll do things they way you want them to or how difficult you make something for them… as soon as you change something that they want to do, they’ll start fucking it up and making very obvious and loud dinosaurs.

I’m seriously all for you folks doing something new and wonderful; and heck if you pull it off my hat will be the first one off. Infact, i offered step by step adive on exactly how to do what Lethality needed, I just suggested that he think about it from a different perspective too. The internet is littered with websites who tried to change how users interacted with it, very very few succeed, and those that do are very very dependant on their userbase’s base HCI mechanics.

[KentonMr]

@Lethality

Sorry I’m late to this topic but what you are asking sounds very similar to what I was asking here

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/feeding-topics-from-external-source

It seems as if I differ with @kevinjohngallagher’s interpretation of what users and communities want from their forum/blog/wiki/crm solution

However what you seem to be looking for is very similar to what we have decided on PmWiki+bbPress

We voted firmly against wordpress as a product mainly because

1. It has become dreadfully bloated

2. It is difficult to customise (partly as a result of 1)

3. It is a blog (a time driven format) conversation centered around one individual and un-managed comments from visitors. Typically “this is my opinion” followed by “I agree” comments.

I would also steer fairly clear of IP.Board and IP.Blog it is very much under development and considering it is a commercial product is very expensive for what it does.

I feel that someone with a basic knowledge of worpress should be able to add a similar button form to wp code to allow a “Forum This” from wordpress.

[KentonMr]

@kevinjohngallagher

I’ll ignore all the personal rhetoric and slight aimed in my direction and try to respond to the points raised.

I am new to bbPress (you may have noticed that this is my first topic/post on the forum) so know nothing bbPress, its history, development and evidently tight allegiance to wordpress.

bbPress was selected because “out of the box” it works, and from what I have seen of the plug-ins they also work well.

I think my original topic title has been mis-understood by you, and maybe others as well.

“Feeding topics from external source”

In the external source users will not have the option to set a topic title it will be predetermined by the PmWiki page that is being edited.

In fact it is the reverse of the “Blog this” that has been suggested elsewhere though restricted to the same site’s forum rather than the user’s own personal blog.

Any member has full access to the forums and so is able to start a new topic with a slightly varied topic title. That is not a major issue as the moderators will attend to them. However when posting externally a new topic there is the chance that any editor of the Wiki could initiate the “Forum this” button to start a discussion of that page in the related forum. Therefore without the check the potential of having 100’s of topics created with the same title is great.

In the end it has been very easy to code – It works well and I will even look at the possibility of including it to generate a warning to users in the forum so that we can cut back on duplicate topics in general.

Every forum/blog/wiki open to members has to have a set of accepted policies to govern usability. The site is very specialised with nearly 2000 wiki page-topic combinations. The topics are specifically for a parallel discussion about each wiki page. Elsewhere just about any reasonable discussion is possible.

[kevinjohngallagher]

@Quicoto

Respecftully, you’re very wrong.

SEO in no way shape or form is affected by having the same Post title on a forum (note it’s not the title of the page).

Search Engines are smart enough to differentiate between pages on a website if they have different URLS.

You’ve made the same very wrong assumption the original poster had, that by having a post with the same title, that the post title is not checked and given a unique URL. Don’t get me wrong, it’s only been that way for 3 years here on bbPress…

@KentonMr

But. I am astonished that there is no checking in bbPress to see if a topic already exists in a forum before allowing a topic with exactly the same title to be created.

Um, there is.

Surely this is an important feature and should be handled by bb_new_topic() if only through an optional arg.

I generally find that people who use the word “surely” have decided something, and think everyone should agree And the function you reffer to is pluggable, so you can overwrite it to do what you want.

Given that you’re the first person on this forum in the 3 years I’ve been here to request this feature, or worse, assume it’s already there (even though WordPress/BackPress/every-other-automattic-product handles it the same way as bbPress does); maybe just maybe you should not make so many assumptions.

Thats not me having a go, its just that you’re opnly going to be disappointed

However, in some forums (especially one of the forums on the site I am building I do not want users repeating the same topic and would want them to add to the topic that has already been started.

And here we hit 2 issues:

1) Waaaaaaah. I’ve decided that bbPress should work in the same way as other forums, even though it clearly doesn’t, say it doesn’t, and is far from bloated or as feature rich as these other un-named forums.

Btw Can i ask what other forums have this feature? (i’m not doubting you, i’ve just never come across it before)

2) I need X custom feature for MY forums, and bbPress doesn’t have it. Why not? grrrrrr

$bbdb->get_var($bbdb->prepare(“SELECT topic_id FROM $bbdb->topics WHERE topic_title = %s”, $topic_title))

If users can create topics, then users will eventually duplicate topics. All you’re doing is assuming that every user will use the exact same title for the exact same subject and all spell the title the exact same way. My friend, thats a very large group of assumptions.

You’re also assuming that no users will decide that their opinion is v important and deliberately start their own post with a slightly different title – just to get round your warning.

Or what happens when a subject gets bogged down in a flame war?

Or when people start taking it off topic?

Or what happens when people don’t want to wade through 15 pages of “+1” or “lol”?

That will get harder and harder as your forum grows, especially if it’s got a rather specific subject matter. I can understand where this idea comes from, from a website owner point of view, but the usability and long term goal of the this feature is seriously flawed.

Users on a forum, by their very nature, want to create new threads. Creating 1 stream of replies for 1 single topic… thats a blog. Forums are “many to many” or “n to n”. To restrict that in any way is to deviate from what the userbase expects, and inherantly, their desire to use the system.

You come across as very intelligent, and you’ve clearly thought this through from your point of view. Have you thought it through from your users?

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[kevinjohngallagher]

I’m not a huge fan of these themes, as for the most part its just the wrapper of the forum that’s themed differently (which will mostly be removed if made to look like a wordpress website); but I’m very grateful to Refuelled for working on them and releasing them.

Thank You, It’s very much appreciated!

And Xevo, don’t worry about. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion, even… people who’ve been on the site for 6 hours, who use 3 different themes on their own website and can’t get their email to work

[holysjit]

Still it doesn’t work. In BBpress my avatars work perfect, but in wordpress it shows the default Gravatar icon. HELP!

[seoswamy]

WordPress integration rocks

[asorethumb]

You’ll need to sync your cookies. Several topics on this – heres one:

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/wordpress-and-bbpress-integration-101#post-17414

Try the ‘cookies’ tag for lots more on the subject…

[kevinjohngallagher]

Hi Lethality,

Sadly WordPress/bbPress integration isn’t well defined anywhere outside this website – it basically means shared users and login (though for alot of people thats ideal).

If you have the cash to spend on something that already works, I’d definately favour that option.

The idea of extending bbPress into WordPress is a good one, but of course you’d still need to edit WordPress to either post comments to the right forum, or to redirect to the right forum if someone tried to add a comment. I’d be surprised if there was much desire for this on the whole, so going with the existing solution might be your best bet.

Good luck in whatever you decide, and let us know

Kev

[refueled]

Release Page:

http://bbterminal.net/thunderbolt/

Matching WordPress theme:

http://empirethemes.com/thunderbolt/

We have more bbPress themes on the way!

[kevinjohngallagher]

bbPress and WordPress users can be sync’d without too much hassle.

Sadly I don’t know the answers to the SMF question, but Paul Hawke has been working on an import to bbPress feature, i think it’s in this thread:

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/import-data-from-system-xy

That would certainly be my first port of call.

As much as I like bbPress, I’d also strongly advise thinking long and hard before moving to it. It’s feature list is limited at best, and right now Automattic can’t even get the theme fo this website right. AS long as it meets your criteria then Awesome, but definately look into this first

Kev