[zaerl]

As a plugin author myself, the close second priority is having a clear resource for converting plugins.

As a plugin author myself I think that ~100% of bbPress plugins stored here (those that are complex obviously) at bbpress.org will not work with the new incarnation of bbPress. But I really hope that history will prove me wrong and no, I’m not sarcastic.

Anyway I accept your decision. It’s a pity for me cause a bulletin board plugin for WordPress is not what I need but it seems that I belong to a minority of people around the world.

[John James Jacoby]

All understandable points. BuddyPress has recently gone through something similar since Andy has been concentrating on rolling out awesome new stuff for WordPress.com and I’ve been busy with client work. Both of us were at points where we weren’t concentrating directly on pushing the project forward, and that took us away from the usual support/communication role and more towards heavy development and project management.

Community and communication are both important, and we’ve admittedly been lacking on both platforms leaving things feel like they’re in a little bit of a limbo state. For people already using either project, it doesn’t help you sleep at night; and it doesn’t exactly make for a happy welcome to newcomers either. It wasn’t intentional, but I think the worst is behind us now and we can concentrate on building some forward momentum.

For bbPress specifically, there is a little more history involved. It it touches so many individual pieces of the .org structure that have always been intricately balanced to work together; namely the individual plugin and theme repositories. They rely heavily on the svelteness of bbPress to function the way they do.

When the idea of making bbPress a plugin was first seriously considered (over a year ago?) I think I felt the same way as some of you do now. I felt bbPress needed to stand tall and be it’s own person and go out and make something of itself like a good young adult should. My involvement in BuddyPress and my experience with WordPress over the past few years has enlightened me to how simple of a plugin bbPress can really be, particularly now that BuddyPress can offer all of the other bits and pieces that someone might normally want or expect from forum software.

With that said, bbPress is going to be a plugin for WordPress going forward. The name is staying the same, as much as I know that pains some of you to hear. There are lots of reasons to keep it the way it is because we all love it and appreciate it, but there is more to gain by it being a plugin with where WordPress is today. (…no dagger to the heart intended…)

I think the most important thing that will come from an ‘official’ announcement (that I’ll include here briefly now) is that the top priority for this next chapter in bbPress is migrating/importing/exporting be 100% no-more-than-5-clicks simple to do. As a plugin author myself, the close second priority is having a clear resource for converting plugins.

I typically try to under promise and over deliver, so I’m approaching bbPress the same way. Am I super genius that knows the insides and outsides of bbPress and BackPress 100% and can recite lines of code like song lyrics or poetry? Nope. But I do know plugins, and extending WordPress safely and effectively, and refactoring, and bulletin board software, and how communicating with and through software works for both machines and people.

Most importantly, I know I really want bbPress to stay kickass.

[crobinson18]

No, this site is NOT integrated with WordPress – it’s a standalone forum.

How do I insert a screenshot into this reply box? I know how to take a screenshot in Vista but I cannot get it posted…

http://www.nissenfundoplication.com/register.php

http://www.nissenfundoplication.com/search.php

When I open the above links – my template is gone and there is just a featureless version of my page (without the theme used on the rest of the site)? I’ve verified this on another computer…

Thanks for your time,

Chris R.

[kevinjohngallagher]

Good evening all!

First, Pete and JJJ, really apprecaite and thankful to you both for stopping by. I don’t doubt for an iota that the two of you, indeed everyone involved with this WordPress forum plugin, wants a good product that pleases as many people as possible and provides an excellent platform for those both technical and non-technical.

JJJ, bro I just thought you were busy – i took no offence by the lack of reply. I sent you a comment through your website some 4 weeks ago, and with the BP release (thats BuddyPress, sorry don’t want to add to the confusion) you seemed like you were busy.

At the risk of getting on my soapbox, the biggest issue we have here is that we know nothing. No-one here expects anyone to keep us in the loop 24/7 or even at a stakeholder level – but Jane announced that WordPress (3.org) forums would be moving to the bbPress plugin instead of bbpress some 20 days ago, and you’re the first people to stop by and say “hi”.

I’ll let you guess what sort of reaction that announcement had, and what sort of calming affect the wall of silence had on all the “end is nigh” theories.

My single over-riding concern is that with such little communication, naming a completely separate product that uses different technology and works in a totally different way, the same thing as 6 current technologies is just batshi… a challenge to those of us who answer the questions on this subject

EDIT: Sorry Tom dude, Manchester, see you there!

[John James Jacoby]

I’ll be posting something all official sounding soon (as in tonight) but Kevin, can’t say I received an email from you; if I did it only went ignored because I didn’t see it. My apologies for lack of communication and I’ll do better going forward. Check my Gravatar for ten confirmed methods to track me down.

On the flip side, I’m excited that people still care about there being a plugin branch considering the ups and downs bbPress has gone through over the past year or two.

At the sake of sounding like a politician, I’m personally committed to making bbPress great in whatever form it takes, because it (along with WordPress and BuddyPress) put food on my table and keep a roof over my head. It’s been like that for the past two years, and I’d like to maintain that status for as far into the foreseeable future as I can. If I was self-employed or employed by Automattic, it wouldn’t change the way I intend to be involved and help shape bbPress’s future.

I know it’s been a rough and tumble life for bbPress, and thankfully all of us want to change that.

Be back in a bit to keep up this convo and look forward to more comments, feedback, gripes, general criticism, and cooking tips if you have any.

[Pete Mall]

We’ll be working on bbPress as a WordPress plugin leveraging custom post types in WordPress 3.0+. There will be a direct/easy way for you to import your bbPress standalone data into the new WordPress plugin.

[kevinjohngallagher]

Hi Scott,

Just been through this with my WorldCup Fansite Forum after the final on Sunday night, so I’ve a few things to throw your way. I’m sorry about the slow and pedantic manner of this post too; but if it’s this or close yoru forum, we’ll just get through it!

My gut feeling is that this is a plugin and/or host issue. So lets see what we can do here:

First, lots of boring questions I’m afraid:

Is your website using WordPress at all?

If so, have you set up “deep integration”?

Did you do the installing/setup yourself?

Second, ask your host if they’re intentionally throttling you or if it’s automatic?

If it’s happening, ask them what the issue is (I doubt they’ll give you a huge run down but might find a specific issue you didn’t know was the ‘biggie’)

Third, Make backups

Copy a back up of every plugin and your theme on your hardrive somewhere, then log into bbpress and deactivate them all (apart from akismet) and change to the normal default theme.

Fourth, delete all of the plugins and themes.

Fifth, Tell your users

Write a post (then sticky to font) about how your website is going through an “upgrade” and in order to get the latest most secure most awesome software installed you’re having to accept the default theme for half a day.

Sixth, Lets have a look at those SQL queries.

Open up your bb-config.php file and add the following line before the database connection stuff (at around line 33):

define('SAVEQUERIES', true);

Seventh, edit your footer

open up your footer.php in (my-templates/kakumei/) and add this to the very bottom:

if (bb_current_user_can('administrate'))

{

global $bbdb;

print_r($bbdb->queries);

}

Apologies for this, but that last line is going to have something that looks like “->” in it. Please, make this into “-” and then a right arrow (usually shift+period). It’s a bug here on this forum – should be fixed soon.

Eight, load your forum.

At the bottom of your homepage you should see a big list of stuff, which will have lots of SQL commands.

This is a list of all the SQL commands that load, in order, along with the time taken to execute.

Do any of them look to be taking longer than the others?

Copy and paste this list into a text file and save on your desktop (there will be about 15 SQL commands with a few lines around them).

Nine, recount.

Log into your admin area and go to Tools.

Select ONE checkbox at a time and hit “RECOUNT ITEMS”.

Do this for all checkboxes going down the list.

Ten, load your forum (again).

Repeat Step 8.

Compare the results betwen the two text files.

Have any of the “times” come down?

Are any of them above 0.1 seconds?

Are any of them betwen 0.5 and 1 second?

[Abdessamad Idrissi]

Hello there,

It would be really a nice thing to have a wysiwyg editor in bbpress, just like the one that wordpress have: TinyMCE, since it is open source.

the current editor is too much simple and complex at the same time especially when:

* you converted your forum from a wysiwyg based forum; vbulletin (native), phpbb (as plugin).. to bbpress, you loose lot of formatting.

* most of the users don’t know how to deal with bbcode.

* you need a fast way to copy-past formated text and images.

* currently no efficient wysiwyg plugin available in the bbpress plugins.

* it is not an option, it is a must-have feature in every successful board.

most phpbb forum owners criticized harshly the lack of wysiwyg in phpbb; people keeps asking for it and phpbb developers keep ignoring them and saying that they want to keep phpbb simple!!! so users leave to other forums!

for the people who like the current bbpress simple editor, bbpress can offer a switch in the dashboard to toggle wysiwyg editor on and off.

what do you think?

[chrishajer]

Exactly what should be shown on the register and search pages? It looks like a theme is loading but maybe you want a different layout on those pages?

Also, is this integrated with WordPress? I noticed the current tab highlight up top doesn’t ever seem to change.

[Sunnichka]

Yeah, I know that this topic is old, a pity it’s not very busy here Well, I wanted to use bbPress registration because there are more fields in it and i dnt want to mess up installing extra-plugins to WP to get all necessary datas from users when I could get all needed from bbPress.

All changes i was trying to do in class.mailer.php is to put registered email to $Sender end played with $Host because it’s not localhost at godaddy hosting.

It didnt work with WordPress before I started to change anything anyway.

Sorry, I’m not a hardcoder and this bloody thing causes me headache already a week. Didnt happen on testhosting

But thank you for reply!!!

[Ilalaina]

Bonjour à tous.

C’est mon premier post sur ce forum, je suis débutant en WordPress.

Je voudrais savoir quel plugin d’upload d’avatar vous utilisez sur ce site, et est-ce que l’apparence de la bordure (conteneur) de l’avatar est géré automatiquement par le plugin, parce que je vois qu’il existe plusieurs sites dont les bordures de l’avatar sont comme les votres.

Merci d’avance.

[kevinjohngallagher]

That makes sense.

You shouldn’t really need to change anything, thats the joy of the default mail() function. I’m not sure what drove you to make the changes in the first place (this 3+ year old thread isn’t the best place to get data, alot has changed since 2006).

I’d get rid of whatever changes you made, and then test on WordPress.

If that fails, then it’s off to the WordPress support forum for some help.

host said that it’s a script error and they can’t help

Did they happen to give you the error? that will help the WordPress folks sort it quicker

[Sunnichka]

No, WordPress dsnt send them as well (((

Well, host said that it’s a script error and they can’t help. Only thing they wrote and I posted it above is:

“If you use the mail() function in your PHP, you do not need to specify an outgoing mail server. If you are using some other method besides mail() in your PHP code, use relay-hosting.secureserver.net for your relay server.”

[kevinjohngallagher]

Hi Sunnie,

The first thing to check is if WordPress can send registration emails.

If it can, then we have a bbPress issue.

If it can’t then it’s a server issue, and the quickest resolution is to contact your hosts and use the WordPress support forum (as there are more people on there).

Test and let us know

[Sunnichka]

Hi guys!

Unfortunately going through this problem with registration emails (((

Mail can be send from a server where I keep the website, I created mailer.php as suggested above and everything works. But not with bbPress and WordPress I’ve installed. WordPress and bbPress are integrated and I use bbPress registration form for the whole site.

Hosting provider – godaddy. In config host is different from localhost.

I wrote to them, they advised:

“If you use the mail() function in your PHP, you do not need to specify an outgoing mail server.”

I tried to modify class.mailer putting email I’ve created on account and tried to change $Host but still nothing works ((( Could anyone help what to modify, how to make this thing work.

Thanx!

Sunnie

[kevinjohngallagher]

I was thiking of this on my way into the office today.

WordPress used to be able to load/parse RSS feeds and display them natively, using wp_rss(). Now that was deprecated a while ago, btu there is probably a similar function out there.

Should be quite easy to have WordPress pull in your forums’ RSS feed, just saving writing alot of SQL yourself.

If wp_rss no longer works, then maybe a plugin could be found to fit those needs at: https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/tags/rss

[kevinjohngallagher]

There is not to the best of my knowledge.

This has been discussed before, at length as I recall, on a few occasions. Sadly you’ll have to do a bit of searching to find it, but you should get some good info out of it.

It basically comes down to this:

RSS is a pull technology, not a push one. So you’d need to have some form of cron job to check for an update in the blog feed, and then have code to write a post to your forum. In honesty this wouldn’t be too difficult, but it’s got relatively limited value, so i doubt there is an existing plugin (I may be totally wrong)

EDIT: I’ve actually just thought of a brilliant use for such a plugin. Dammit. This goes on the list.

bbPress1.0 comes with the ability to handle XML-RPC, which is like cross-sever posting (in laymans terms). You could get a WordPress plugin that ‘pings’/’posts/ to bbPress when a new post is written. Not uite sure how elegant this would be with scheduled posts etc.

I’d definately look around the WordPress plugin directory for this, but I’m 99% certain it will require some coding at your end.

Good luck, and shout if you’ve any specific questions.

[kevinjohngallagher]

Surely this is a simple thing?

Not overly, its not inherantly how bbPress (or WordPress really) works, as Moderation (or lack of tools i order to fascilitate this properly) is really one of bbPress’s major downfalls.

That said, I typed in “approve” to the plugin search and found these plugins on the first page:

Approve User Registration

https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/approve-user-registration/

BB Moderation Hold

https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/bb-moderation-hold/

Zaerl Visibility

https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/zaerl-visibility/

I’ve not read their descriptions fully, but the sound like they do the job you’re after.

[thors1982]

I ended up using the custom php/sql.

Much easier should have done that from the start, would have saved a ton of time too.

Also, I will have to look into the performance… because I am using a 3rd party program that integrates into wordpress… then using bbpress to integrate into wordpress so all the users need to be created at the same time etc. If they log in one needs to login to all three.

I am using the bbPress Integration plugin right now, which may or may not be working I didn’t set this part up.

But thanks, the forum posts on the homepage is working perfectly now.

[kevinjohngallagher]

If you’re running bbPress1.0.1, bbPress1.0.2 is a very minor upgrade (less than 100 lines of code) and include some bug fixes.

bbPress1.0.3 / bbPress1.1 shouldn’t break that many plugins. My last trunk download caused some theme issues (minor), but up until the end of April there it was stable and looking might fine.

I strongly suggest you make a local copy of your current forum, and install the latest version from the trunk; and test against your plugins. Given the list that you have, there’s a good chance some may fail; and others like “Subscribe to Topic” won’t really be needed.

When/if this new bbpress plugin comes out, will there be a way to convert my bbpress installation into teh plugin or otherwise make it compatable?

None of us have any idea. Matt announced that the bbPress plugin was going to happen in January, then left the project. Any other information you can garnish from the WordPress blogs updates will give you more information than people involved with this project have been given.

Either way, i’m not panicing. Just irked by the lack of communication, as you’re not alone in asking, and i feel for the bbPress users who are in a form of limbo.

[kevinjohngallagher]

The bbPress Live plugin by Sam, was released and last updated around bbPress1.0alpha3.

It appears to me that the plugin makes a wrong call (possibly a bbPress to BackPress issue – as there were major changes for bbpress1.0alpha6) because it returns an empty set. On top of that, it’s aimed for WordPress before WP2.7, which itself had a large number of under the hood changes.

I’d be surprised if this plugin was even close to being fit for purpose these days; and without a doubt the solution is to pull the information from the Database directly.

bbPress and WordPress are 2 stand-alone software solutions that can share the same database/logins. Leveraging this data without adding the overhead (and potential issues) of the other will make life easier in the long run

(not to mention save 50+ SQL calls every time you load a bbpress page)

[kevinjohngallagher]

Though I missed the Trolling comments, it saddens me.

I’m disappointed by Matt’s approach to bbPress these last 6 months, and indeed quite shocked at his approach to the WordPress community over this capital_P_dangit() debacle; but I like to think I have that opinion separated between the man and the Automattic Employee.

I think it’s benefitial to point out these miscommunications. The hope is that they are seen, eventually, as a catalogue of errors, and so we can learn and improve. If my comments are being used as a soapbox for people to vent; then I apologise.

Chris, please feel free to close and/or delete this topic as neccessary.

Kev

[thors1982]

Thank you for your quick reply

bbPress 1.0.2

WordPress 2.9.2 (Plan on upgrading this soon but have another plugin not working with 3.0 yet)

bbPress Live 0.1.2

I downloaded bbpress live from:

https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/bbpress-live/

Thanks for that link as well (I am definitely going to look into that route), because I have been fighting with bbpress Live for a while now.

I am wondering if its a issue with XML-RPC, but that doesn’t really make sense because I have other applications using the XML-RPC fine, and they are both turned on in the admin sections.

Thanks again for your help

[chrishajer]

Also, without a plugin you can do something like this:

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/heres-how-to-show-bbpress-info-inside-wordpress-without-full-integration

[chrishajer]

What version of bbPress and WordPress are you using, and where did you download bbPress Live (what version is that)?