[John James Jacoby]

@bradsucks – So, I’ve put some thought into the situation that you’re in, and RC1 will include some tweaks to how this works which will hopefully help.

The issue, is that we want to make it easy to get forums up and running, without a bunch of configuration, and the easiest way to do that is let WordPress handle things naturally, and display the forum archives when you navigate to:

domain.com/%forum_slug%/

But… everyone wants to customize the way their forums look and work (even me) so that isn’t always optimal, and there is only so much you can do before the real answer involves creating your row custom theme.

Anyways, before the archive templates were created in bbp-twentyten, a page-template was used to let you put your forums anywhere in the page hierarchy of your site that you want, but that wasn’t obvious enough and not everyone wants to use the hardcoded template file either.

So then I introduced shortcodes, which allow you to put your forums and topics in any post or page you choose, but if you do that, there’s no real way for bbPress to *know* where you put your forum root in the breadcrumb without you manually telling it in the forum settings.

As you can see, it’s gotten complicated to try to satisfy the golden 80%, including myself.

Part of the change that is coming in RC1 is a check to see if a WordPress page exists where you have configured your forum index to be. Normally WordPress would override and show the forums archive, but I make it dump out your page instead. This way you’re able to setup a WP page with whatever you want in it, and have it do whatever you tell it to. The potential caveat here is when people try outsmart the software, create a page with the ‘forums’ slug, and wonder why bbPress doesn’t automatically make forums appear there.

Hopefully RC1 and beyond will satisfy the needs of 80% of users. If so, I’m satisfied supporting the other 20% that want something more tricked out.

[Andre]

I’m not enough of a coder to be much help, but I would start here https://bbpress.trac.wordpress.org/browser/branches/plugin/bbp-includes/bbp-core-shortcodes.php

[Steve]

Someone delete “wealthmass” looks like a load of spam

@anointed here is the link to the CSS file thats currently in use

http://www.streetphire.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/themes/funki/style.css

there is also

http://www.streetphire.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/themes/funki/themify/css/shortcodes.css

http://www.streetphire.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/themes/funki/media-queries.css

and the BBPress one

http://www.streetphire.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/plugins/bbpress/bbp-themes/bbp-twentyten/css/bbpress.css?ver=3.1.3

Cheers

Steve

[Anonymous User 5853594]

@JJJ

Will it become possible to use shortcodes from other plugins for WP?

For example the Polldaddy’s shortcodes for embedding polls and such.

[Ricardo]

Is there a private messaging plugin for bbPress 2.0 plugin branch?

Not sure but since bbpress uses the wordpress “users data” won’t PM pluggins designed for wordpress work with bbpress?

https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/private-messages-for-wordpress/

a link on the forum ponting to http://www.domain.com/wp-admin would take users to their outbox. Not a complete and integrated solution but i think it works untill a full pluggin is developed or we could ask that pluggin developer to create shortcodes that show on bbpress if there are new messages or not and a link to see them.

[Ricardo]

I’m using a child theme, bbpress v3327, copied the contents of bbp-twentytento the child theme directory, creted a page “forums” assigned bbpress index template to it but it doesnt show the forum index unless i use the shortcodes, created some forums and topics inside of them and it doesnt show either the forums when i click on them or the topics, individual links don’t work.

Forum index (shortcode enabled)

http://www.ricardouk.com/forums

Individual forum permalink (not working):

http://www.ricardouk.com/forums/forum/regras-de-utilizacao-do-forum

individual forum link (partially not working, just shows the content)

http://www.ricardouk.com/forums/topic/como-efectuar-o-registo-neste-forum

all of this was working with beta 2

[John James Jacoby]

I’ve been tweaking the breadcrumbs, trying to find the sweet spot. There’s starting to be a lot of possible ways to display the forum archives now. With page templates, archives, shortcodes, etc… it’s hard to know what is the actual root and where.

I think I’ve got it dialed in for Beta 3. I spent the majority of last night testing all of the above scenarios.

[John James Jacoby]

I haven’t quite figured out the best way to reliably integrate the login/register/lost-password pages into theme compatibility yet. The tentative plan is to finish up their shortcodes so they can be used on any page and ready for 2.0.

[Kye]

The addition of shortcodes will most certainly make it easier for users to embed the forums as they please and see fit….

One thing I would like to see though is the addition of a shortcodes icon within the page/post editors for ease of use, this could be extended to allow you to select the specific forum to build a shortcode string.

When used within a multisite environment it would also lower the amount of confusion as it would most likely also do in single installations. Although shortcodes are simple enough, not everyone is so web savvy.

Simplicity with a forum shortcode insert button would certainly make it much easier and eye pleasing without to much more code. Please!!!!

Thanks for all the great work here!

[Kye]

The addition of shortcodes will most certainly make it easier for users to embed the forums as they please and see fit….

One thing I would like to see though is the addition of a shortcodes icon within the page/post editors for ease of use, this could be extended to allow you to select the specific forum to build a shortcode string.

When used within a multisite environment it would also lower the amount of confusion as it would most likely also do in single installations. Although shortcodes are simple enough, not everyone is so web savvy.

Simplicity with a forum shortcode insert button would certainly make it much easier and eye pleasing without to much more code. Please!!!!

Thanks for all the great work here!

[Susan Hope]

Starting a new thread here at the request of John James for any issues with iThemes Builder.

Some information from my previous report:

QUOTE

Yes, the actual shortcodes themselves appear on the published page on the site and I think I should have said, I am using iThemes Builder with a child theme, up to date version of WP..

Also, the actual forum when you click to view it from the main index one (which is appearing fine and where it should) is appearing at the top of the site above the header, which is why I am trying the shortcode route. In my case though I have used “Widget Content” which comes with builder to create the header area.

I have two other plugins that produced the same kind of thing, in that they appeared fine where they were meant to, “sexybookmarks” at the end of a post BUT also would appear in any location I had used “Widget Content” which was the header area and sidebar areas and also a paypal plugin and to get around that I added this code to the end of my child css:

.widget-content .paypal-form {

display: none;

}

Which stopped it appearing in content widget areas, so the first thing I tried for this was the same code but changing the “.paypal-form to one for bbPress – I had used firebug lite (chrome) to try and find the correct name that should go there and I don’t think I found the right name.

Yep shortcode helper would be good, thanks John.. do you need any more info?

Sue

UNQUOTE

Hope that is enough information for my particular problem John?

Thanks

Sue

[John James Jacoby]

@SHope – You’re okay. It sounds like you’re using the shortcodes correctly, but that something else isn’t working. I think I’m going to build in a shortcode helper, because I realize finding the ID isn’t the easiest thing to do.

On the pages you’re using the shortcodes on, does anything appear where the shortcodes should be?

[John James Jacoby]

@SHope – You’re okay. It sounds like you’re using the shortcodes correctly, but that something else isn’t working. I think I’m going to build in a shortcode helper, because I realize finding the ID isn’t the easiest thing to do.

On the pages you’re using the shortcodes on, does anything appear where the shortcodes should be?

[John James Jacoby]

@jerledb – Login/register are supported via page templates, there is a login widget, and eventually shortcodes too. A register widget is a nice idea but leads way to lost-password and activation widgets, none of which will make it into 2.0.

Spam isn’t really handled yet, since there’s no one spamming forums that don’t use software that isn’t released yet. There is a Trac ticket regarding Akismet integration, but either Akismet will need to be updated or a special version of Akismet to concentrate on post spam (which isn’t really a WordPress issue.)

Regarding IP addresses, there are WordPress plugins to help with this, and WordPress multisite comes with this kind of functionality baked in. Traditionally WordPress doesn’t handle spam at a user level, since registered users are typically already trusted to some regard. We run into this issue a little bit even here at bbpress.org. bbPress does log the IP address of every topic/reply that is created, so a plugin can use that to check against a ban list or something.

[John James Jacoby]

@jerledb – Login/register are supported via page templates, there is a login widget, and eventually shortcodes too. A register widget is a nice idea but leads way to lost-password and activation widgets, none of which will make it into 2.0.

Spam isn’t really handled yet, since there’s no one spamming forums that don’t use software that isn’t released yet. There is a Trac ticket regarding Akismet integration, but either Akismet will need to be updated or a special version of Akismet to concentrate on post spam (which isn’t really a WordPress issue.)

Regarding IP addresses, there are WordPress plugins to help with this, and WordPress multisite comes with this kind of functionality baked in. Traditionally WordPress doesn’t handle spam at a user level, since registered users are typically already trusted to some regard. We run into this issue a little bit even here at bbpress.org. bbPress does log the IP address of every topic/reply that is created, so a plugin can use that to check against a ban list or something.

[John James Jacoby]

Yes it is possible. The shortcodes you want are most likely…

[bbp-forum-index]

[bbp-topic-index]

When bbPress 2.0 officially launches, there will be an interface for these hidden shortcodes.

[Rick Lewis]

” Don’t move anything, don’t add anything, and use shortcodes and adjust your CSS as needed. “

This is where I am at right now.

I thought I would try [bbp-forum-index]. I created a page Forum and used that code. I still got the same page as I did all other ways. Goes directly to one of the forums and then list the other forums below it. Says Blog archive across the top.

Now when I create /forums (note the s) that page goes to my home page and not a page at all.

I did a re-save of the permalinks and so on but still not seeing a forum homepage of any kind.

I can only guess that I have something crossed up somewhere beings others have this working.

EDITING __ I did not see the above posts prior to posting this. Going to review and make a change on my site and see how it goes. Thank you for the help.

[John James Jacoby]

@CrownOfMars – Try the latest revision and let me know if it’s fixed for you. Was a regression from fixing something else.

@Rick Lewis – You haven’t started over, because you still have a custom theme. It looks to me like you still have

add_theme_support( 'bbpress' );

in your custom theme, even though you don’t have any bbPress files in your custom theme to actually provide bbPress support.

Using the add_theme_support() method is what tells bbPress not to use its own internal files, and just let WordPress do its thing and figure it out. In that case, bbPress will follow the normal template hierarchy for WordPress (archive.php, index.php, etc…)

So you either…

1. Copy the bbPress files out of the bbp-twentyten folder into your custom theme and use the add_theme_support() method, which allows you to use page templates.
2. Don’t move anything, don’t add anything, and use shortcodes and adjust your CSS as needed.
3. Create your own completely custom method of handling bbPress, which is possible to do but way more work than it’s probably worth doing unless you need something *really* tricked out.

[CrownOfMars]

I saw a list of shortcodes mentioned a few pages back.

I’ve been able to get [bbp-forum-index] to work easily.

How do i get the [bbp-single-forum] shortcode to work?

I’ve tried [bbp-single-forum id="# of the forum"] without luck?

[Ryan]

I was looking for those too and found this:

from bbp-includes/bbp-shortcodes.php:

bbp-forum-index

bbp-single-forum, pass id attribute

bbp-topic-index

bbp-topic-form

bbp-single-topic, pass id attribute

bbp-topic-tags

bbp-topic-tag

bbp-reply-form

[John James Jacoby]

Also, you shouldn’t need to use your franken-theme anymore. bbPress comes with some pretty cool theme compatibility now. Make sure you *don’t* have

add_theme_support( 'bbpress' );

in your custom theme, and bbPress *should* still work and fill in the blanks. You’ll just need to style your CSS to taste.

As an example, http://testbp.org/discussion/ is using the standard bp-default BuddyPress theme, with no template files moved or shifted around. bbPress is just putting itself where it thinks it should be. I’m using some short-codes on the front page to display everything, and some custom CSS to make it match a little more nicely.

[John James Jacoby]

Right now probably the best example of the plugin in action is over at http://testbp.org/discussion. It’s using some of the shortcodes and minimal CSS tweaks to mimic the look of the forums here at bbpress.org.

[John James Jacoby]

Right now probably the best example of the plugin in action is over at http://testbp.org/discussion. It’s using some of the shortcodes and minimal CSS tweaks to mimic the look of the forums here at bbpress.org.

[John James Jacoby]

@miruru – Thanks for the kind words. Right now shortcodes are pretty limited to major template functions, like complete single forums, single topics, etc… I’m open to more shortcodes, but we should assemble and break them into template parts or functions as needed (to make overriding and customizing them easier.)

[John James Jacoby]

A few last minute gifts are now in the bbPress plugin.

First, shortcodes. Now you can insert forums and topics into blog posts and pages. This is awesome because it will let you insert a river of forums or replies anywhere that the_content(); is used and shortcodes are supported.

Second, theme compatibility. This one is huge, could use some testing, and is potentially a game-changer. If you’re not using a theme that actively supports bbPress by setting add_theme_support( 'bbpress' );, bbPress is going to serve up its own default set of templates and styling from whatever is set as the theme compatibility layer (which defaults to bbp-twentyten.) There is a little more work to be done here, but so far it’s working a treat.

As a plugin developer, theme compatibility with new features is something I’ve wrestled with for a really long time, and recent changes in WordPress core have made this easier. For BuddyPress and now bbPress, this is years in the planning stages, and I’m really happy, excited, and proud that it’s in and loosely working.