[paulhawke]

My experience of the WordPress codebase extends to version 2.9.1, I cannot speak to what is going on with version 3.0. Matt said something about bbPress being hosted on a page using a WP short-code at one point. As far as I know, there is no facility for page slugs to handle wildcards (from what I have seen). If you wanted to host bbPress as a plugin using a short-code on a WordPress page, it’s my guess that you would need to have different short-codes for the front page, topics page, views page, single topic, etc. Either that, or you recode the entire bbPress GUI to be Ajax based and run on a single page in-place. Somehow you need to extend the WordPress roles to encompass the bbPress side of the house.

When you go down this road you eventually get to the point of Drupal – amazingly vague and configurable database, slow because it’s got to be all-things-to-all-people and … well … yeah. I would rather not see either WordPress or bbPress end up there.

It it’s favour we can strip out a large portion of the codebase that deals with preferences, users, filters, plugins, themes, sidebar widgets and so on. We gain a lot from the main WordPress codebase but its worrying the “bloat” that comes with that approach.

[LeftCoastMichael]

Hi. I installed a widget for including images. It is called allow-images.php

However, it just includes a line of text:

Allowed Markup:

BBcode a blockquote code em strong ul ol li font strike center u hr img

In other ppPress versions, such as the pagelines one http://www.pagelines.com/forum you can see they have buttons for inserting the code.

How can I achieve the same look and function?

[LizFilardi]

Hey,

I’ve followed this forum and included the following code:

function add_sidebar() {

include ('sidebar.php');

}

add_filter('bb_foot', 'add_sidebar');

But how do I get this sidebar to fit into the main div?

Thanks.

[Gautam]

@Olaf

That would pile up even more work. I would probably go forward and extract the code in bp-forums of BuddyPress and make a WordPress plugin to integrate bbPress forums.

[kevinjohngallagher]

I’m a big fan of people speaking their mind, I probably do it too often, but if we’re being honest, threads like these aren’t going to change anything. Even if you got 90% of the people that are on these boards to all come out and say that they agree with you, nothing will change.

Can we talk openly about this? It means sharing some hard truths…

1) There are roughly (roughly), 25 -30 different people that post on these forums every week. I’m sure you’ve noticed its the same folks for the most part over and over. Each of these people (you and I) represent a tiny tiny portion of the BBpress users. Its not that your opinions aren’t valued, it’s just that unless you come up with objective reasons behind your arguments then you’ll never see any changes you want.

2) You’re not programmers. Harsh, i know. But you’re on a support forum saying that you’re unhappy about proposed changes to free software that you don’t contribute to.

3) When did private companies start listening to people taking “votes” on their support forums. Oh, that’s right, never.

4) I’m going to make an assumption here (apologies if wrong), but you’re not project managers or BA’s either. Making BBpress a WordPress plugin (while not something i am happy with at all), makes sense from [the company that owns bbpress] stand point.

5) Matt, et all, are human and just trying to do their best. If you think they’ve overlooked a point then tell them. But it has to be a point that will make sense to a company like [the one that owns bbpress], and that rarely involves the phrase “i want” or “my vote”.

Look folks,

BBpress as a WordPress plugin is not going to come around any time soon. In honesty, it’s not going to be this year. if you don’t want a forum software that is focussed on integration with WordPress that’s cool, that’s a personal preference, but have a look on the tag list on the home page, and see what stands out.

WordPress integration is the single most talked about issue on the BBpress support forums because it’s the reason that a large percentage of people came to BBpress for.

We all have a different Wish List of features for this lovely piece of software, but that doesn’t mean that if BBpress doesn’t go our own personal way that it it’s “bbpress back on track”. if we’re honest, BBpress hasn’t been “on track” by it’s own standards for well over a year, but if you’re not contributing code or testing time, then frankly, your opinion is never really going to count for anything unless you back your points up with really really good objective reasons.

[Gautam]

@johnhiler

I think you misunderstood me. I am saying to only extract bp-forums part of BuddyPress and make a new WordPress plugin out of it which would integrate bbPress into WordPress.

By the way, the trunk version of BuddyPress can be installed on a normal WordPress install.

[Gautam]

I think it is just a modified version of BBcode Lite plugin by _ck_.

[OKTeaRoom]

I just made a post over at http://wordpress.org/support and I really like the formatting code buttons they are using for their forum.

Firebug has some code that eludes to ed_toolbar

Is this available in a plugin that I can use? Thanks.

[Gautam]

There was some discussion about making bbPress a WordPress plugin. This would lead to a complete re-write of the project, but I have a better idea:

1. bbPress should be a standalone platform, so it can also be run without WordPress.
2. There should be a plugin on WordPress plugins repo (for eg. bbPress Forums Integrator or simply bbPress), which would have bbPress as svn:external and load the bbPress files as BuddyPress does it. Basically the plugin could be what can be found here – http://trac.buddypress.org/browser/trunk/bp-forums
3. This way both type of users would be benefitted – those who want bbPress as a standalone and those who want it to be deeply integrated with WordPress.

Some of my thoughts…

Gautam

[Gautam]

Thanks for the appreciation, grassrootspa!

Though I feel Ben is the new _ck_ (except for the fact that he is male.. lol )

[Gautam]

You can interact with bb-admin/admin-ajax.php to make AJAX calls. bbPress also used to do ajax posting before, but then it was removed due to some small bugs. There is a ticket to bring back AJAX posting – #718

[Gautam]

I’d love to take on the development of bbPress project, but I would be only available in March, after I get over with my exams.

[chrishajer]

1. I’m not a programmer, I’m a motorcycle mechanic

2. I appreciate the vote of confidence but I am happy to be a moderator and help bbPress users. I’m certain that if Matt thinks bbPress needs a PM other than himself, he knows where to find one.

[bobtheman]

An extremely, over exaggerated word that has been used to change the developmental focus of bbpress is Integration.

Its time we address this burdening issue and close the book on this 2 year old bug, mental or developmental. And to do this we will collectively discussion what integration is, what its not, and what is best for the bbpress project and community in the long run.

1st. One of the most important points that I would like to express is, Integration doesn’t mean Plugin. I could talk till im blue in the face on this, or link old posts where unknowing users use the words interchangeably … but its easier to point to this open and active discussion

http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/bbpress-a-plugin-or-independent-software-with-integration

Integration can mean, user integration, data sharing, shared user profiles etc. This doesn’t have to be just WordPress, but if bbpress is reduced to nothing more than a WordPress plugin, than the future of bbpress is contingent upon wordpress not to mention the effects this has on development “which is evident”

I wanted to keep this topic short and to the point, but isnt to say i wont weigh in with lengthy replys

To end this chapter of confusion and to get bbpress back on trac, on February 14 I propose a IRC meeting which will follow with a blog post of the results with a roadmap for the future.

[grassrootspa]

@Gautam:

Thanks for addressing my plugin and user list tickets

[frooyo]

For what it’s worth, I nominate chrishajer as bbPress Project Lead.

It was brought up as an excellent next step in the thread linked below that Matt closed.

http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/whats-happening-with-bbpress

@chrishajer, I’m not sure if you will accept this nomination. If you do, I’m definitely willing to donate $100 to you to help augment your expenses. I know it’s not much but it’s what I can budget right now.

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Reason why I believe chrishajer is the most qualified:

* To date, chrishajer has been the only remaining devoted lead of bbPress. To my understanding, it’s also the only moderator of this forum beside Matt.

* chrishajer understands the needs of what bbPress users want. He also understands what’s need for a product be successfull, such as: setting release dates, establish features & bug fixes to work on, etc

* people respect chrishajer and would easily take lead from him

[EDITED title chrishajer 11 Feb 2010]

[brevica]

OK, I’ve followed the steps quite a bit, and no integration. Oddly enough, when one is signed in, the other is automatically signed out – you can’t be signed into WPMU and bbP at the same time. Step by step, this is what I did:

1 When installing wordpress/bbpress do NOT use "www." Example: use bbpress.org not http://www.bbpress.org and use the same database. You do not need to change the prefix, I prefer you don't because you'll run into problem later.

Done.

2 Make sure bbpress is in a folder in wordpress. example: wordpress/bbpress/ not on the same level.

Done. WP is in root folder, bbP is in forums

3 The folder does not have to be named bbpress, most people make it forum or forums.

*After successfully installing both programs open wp-config.php (in the wordpress folder) file. Around line # 45-# 48 you'll see define('AUTH_KEY'.... go to this URL (https://api.wordpress.org/secret-key/1.1/salt) and get the EIGHT keys and REPLACE the FOUR keys that are there. Save. Keep the file open for now.

4 Open bb-config.php (in the bbpress folder) do the same thing here. With the SAME keys you put in the wordpress file put in the bb-config file around line # 41-45. You have to add BB_ to the front of the names. Example: BB_AUTH_KEY to all eight. Save. Keep the file open for now.

Done.

5 Clear your cache on your browser. Log into your bbpress dashboard and go to Settings->Wordpress Integration-> WordPress Administrator should be keymaster. Every other option should be member for now. WordPress address (URL) should be the URL again NO www. Blog address (URL) the same as before. The last 3 should be LOCKED if not repeat the steps 3&4.

Done. Address is http://analyticspros.com.s70609.gridserver.com/

6 Login to your wordpress dashboard. Go to Plugins->Add New-> search for "bbPress Integration" it should be the first one. Install it and activate.

7 Go to Settings-> bbPress Integration. Enter the bbPress URL without the www. Your plugins URL leave blank. Click on Save Changes. On the bottom box you'll see some text copy it. Most likely it will say "define( 'COOKIEPATH', '/' );"

Done. This is the code:

define( ‘COOKIEHASH’, ‘c89fdd6b36f463ff1f02811d64f2f597’ );

define( ‘COOKIE_DOMAIN’, ‘.analyticspros.com.s70609.gridserver.com’ );

define( ‘SITECOOKIEPATH’, ‘/’ );

define( ‘COOKIEPATH’, ‘/’ );

8 Paste the line in wp-config.php file around line # 16 (MUST be on top. Don't know why) and paste it in bb-config.php in line # 13 (Must be on top). Save. You can delete the plugin, it's no longer needed.

9 Clear your cache on your browser and you're done.



Known Problems

*Two different database, one for WP and one for BBP, does not always work.

*Changing the database prefix. There are tutorials out there that tell you to do it, just don't.

*Hosting companies that offer free databases, have buggy databases.

*BBpress not being in WordPress folder. I don't think the plugin takes that into account.

*When you upgrade from an older version (wordpress/bbpress) the XX-config.php files are different than what you already have. Check wp-config.php against wp-config-sample.php & bb-config.php against bb-config-sample.php should be fairly simple.

None of the above problems apply to me. Any ideas?

[chrishajer]

Maybe there’s a typo in your folder name or just here. It should be my-languages. Then the file needs to be named exactly as the define statement in your bb-config.php file. Is that all true?

[HeroicNate]

Hi, I’m a freelance graphic designer and I love wordpress and I’ve recently started to love bbpress. I’ve been customizing wordpress themes for a while now and I’ve just started getting into bbpress. Since I’ve been using these two so often, I really want to give something back. I don’t really have money or coding skills to contribute, I was hoping maybe I could help by coming up with a shiny cool template/theme that could possibly be included as one of the default themes. I’ve only just begun to figure out theming in bbpress, but I really want to contribute something, and design skills is what I got(i think ). All I’d need is to possibly be informed on new features or functions that I could design for. I could come up with cool mock-ups, and if the community likes it, I could chop it up into a theme.

[chrishajer]

There could be a plugin that starts with an underscore, so it’s autoloaded. Can you look in your my-plugins directory and see if there’s a plugin with a name like _plugin-name.php – that would autoload. I’m not sure if that will affect the count like you’re seeing.

If I had to guess, I would guess it’s related to the change that was made to strip out the HTML from a post. That would rely on a regular expression (to look for things like HTML code) and could be very inefficient, causing excessive load. It’s a possibility.

Is there an autoload plugin (one that begins with an underscore) and if there is, is it the one that was created to strip out HTML?

[sweetiessecret]

Lots of questions, little answers The original guy who set it up for me can no longer help me. He is too busy for little ole’ me. In December the only thing he did was to make it so that when someone copied and pasted text from any site into a post on the Forum it would strip out the HTML code and bring it over as pure text. He never told me how he did it. I have the original message and date he did it though.

If I could find someone who could work on this I would be happy to pay them. I paid someone and they were not BBPress experts so they couldn’t solve the problem.

I am using a WYSIWYG plug-in to allow the users to Bold, Italicize, etc. the text the put into a post. I disabled that 2 days ago when I had the problem again because the original guy said he didn’t know if it would cause problems. That didn’t solve the problem.

I have no idea how to dump the database.

The other plugins I am using are:

– bbPress Members only

– bbPress TinyMCE Integration (The WYSIWYG plug-in)

– Topics Per Page

I have a few others but they are disabled.

It does show that I have 4 active but only 3 are showing on the list.

Wendy

[kevinjohngallagher]

Yo Gautam,

No tickets with patches should have been changed, 90% sure i checked for them all – really sorry if one slipped through.

Bugs on the other hand, I was selective about the reality of getting them fixed. Take Ticket 215: Post count bug as an example:

• Is it a bug? Yes
• Does it stop BBpress working in any way? No.
• Will it sap development time from getting this release out the door? Possibly.
• So I moved it

I’m definitely not in charge around here, so please, if I’ve moved something you (or anyone else) thinks should be in this Milestone, then please move them back. It’s just that smilies, youtube support etc. had been sitting there for weeks on end. With less fluff in trac for each milestone, hopefully we can get more people interested in testing (as one of the major gripes i hear often is “i don’t know where to start”).

Lets hope we get some of the patches in soon

[bingsterloot]

Oh the drama, the drama )

[kevinjohngallagher]

Hi Matt,

It really is amazing that you’re helping out with BBpress, it’s clearly something you love as much as we do, and we desperately try not to sound ungrateful.

The issue is that when there is no project management, then it’s a bit like herding cats (to quote Jane @ WordPress ;-] ). We all know and apprecaite that you’re busy and that BBpress is going to take a back seat sometimes, that’s to be expected mate. But you can’t have it both ways.

You can’t have a project where the project lead, lead developer, decision maker and talisman disappears for weeks on end; and then also seem unhappy when that doesn’t go down well.

Can you imagine if you released a version of WordPress without beta testing, bulked up the code by 50%, made it 50% slower, broke most plugins, didn’t have any documentation, had all the development team quit, have all bar 1 moderator quit, then leave it for 8 months not entirely working… What sort of response would there be on the WordPress forums? Maybe a bit Chicken Little.

Matt, i’m not a popular guy around here, my french/celtic phrasing winds people up when it’s not my intention at all, trult i apologise if I’ve done that with yourself too. But you’re looking at this from someone who’s been really involved since November, while those of us who’ve been here through 0.9 and 1.02 have a different very viewpoint.

Matt, you have WP3.0, the WPfoundation, maybe BuddyPress1.2, WPcamps, travel, as well as the normal day to day stuff to deal with. Man, we know you’re hella busy and we appreciate your time. But maybe you have to manage expectations a little here. Set some dates, say some hard truths, y’know, actual information “Relax. We’ve done this before” is probably the scariest thing i’ve read on the BBpress forum.

We greatly apprecaite your time mate, maybe you could apprecaite ours by giving us a heads up every now and then, rather than after the fact. Some clever soul built a blogging platform to make it easy to post info on

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There is no date because it’s hard for me to predict how much time I have

-Matt

Versus.

“We take a page from the world of project management and we make a project plan before we jump into the dev cycle…and set a realistic release date that we stick to”

– https://wordpress.org/development/2009/12/setting-scope/

Take Care everyone.

[kevinjohngallagher]

Marius,

My friend, no-one is attacking you here. You’re not using the default theme, you’re using a modified theme. I have the default theme and it doesn’t have a picture of Micahel Jackson anywhere (that i can see at least).

Your issue was a CSS issue, because you had placed attached your CSS code to the wrong DIV for what you were wanting to achieve. It’s nothing to do with BBpress, honestly mate, the issue was a CSS issue with CSS code that you added when you didn’t know what you were doing. A CSS website would make a world of difference to you and your knowledge and ability to edit the themes. I’m not saying that to be cocky, i’m saying it to give you the tools to do these things yourself

When Im asking specifically for location of a code, in the DEFAULT THEME that comes with BBPress, the best place to ask is of course BBPress own forum

That’s the key thing here mate, you were not asking that. You maybe thought you were, but the code that was wrong was in your CSS file, that you added – that’s nothing to do with BBpress.

Given that it was your 2nd thread and your 4th attempt at asking for this solution in under 24 hours, I tried to help out – i gave you the simplest answer because your understanding of CSS was limited . You didn’t understand the simple solutions presented, that’s your web development knowledge, nothing to do BBpress.

No-one is paid to be here matey, we’re all doing this because we want to help BBpress grow But that doesn’t mean we have to be at your beck and call for real time support, nor does it mean that we have to answer basic web design/development questions that don’t have anything to do with BBpress. I’m going to leave this here, clearly we have different opinions, and that’s cool – but for your sake mate, not mine, learning a bit of Web Development skills will make your BBpress life alot easier.

Take care