[_KB_]

I’ve tried another integration with no “www”, it works 50%.

Now I just can’t access my bb-admin and not able to logout from wp admin ,

I’ve installed _ck_ plugin fixed admin access, but its not working in this situation. I’ve find other ways from bbPress Search but still not solved. any idea?

[_KB_]

Non-plugin bbPress development is going to continue until we have a perfect importer so people will be able to bring their content out of the legacy codebase.

Simply I love this statement!!

@ Matt Mullenweg, with this perfect importer, will we able to switch from other channels like vBulletin, phpbb, ip board? did you ever think about it? Any Plan?

[dennis-pedrie]

My preferred solution: Login with an email address, and give the site administrator the option of allowing users to change their Display Name. The distinction between usernames and Display Names then ceases to exist. Nobody forgets an email address either.

[mdolon]

Thanks r-a-y for the compliments, and thanks chrishajer for resuscitating the post!

[Greg]

One other thing… I was thinking of leveraging the XMLRPC support to enable publishing of posts from an iPhone app.

I guess I would have to find a different way to do this in 0.9.

[r-a-y]

I NEVER write admin pages for my own plugins, but rather use a simple config file.

Same.

And I think that if I went to 0.9 I would want to also get out of deep integration to get all of the perf benefits.

It depends on what you need deep integration for. If it’s just to access a few WP functions, might be best to write your own functions that do the same thing in bbPress.

—

The admin page, like everyone has said, could easily be themed.

[_ck_]

Please make better titles when asking for help.

Make them say something specific about the nature of the problem.

Also please state what version of bbPress you are using and what plugins.

Optionally try tagging your topic with some simple words you think might be relevant and then check those tags to see if you can find something similar.

We can always remove tags that aren’t relevant, don’t be afraid to try them.

Thank you.

[_ck_]

Even 0.9 caches all user data, it’s not an issue.

0.9 is far more efficient than 1.x

If you don’t see 0.9 doing that, I must be using a mini-plugin to do it.

The Display Name will be “sucked in” along with all the userdata.

You can write a little plugin that when the user name is requested, it first checks to see if the display name is set and return that.

In fact I think there was an early plugin that did this for admin with 0.9, it had some issues but I remember I figured out some workaround. Vague memory now, it would have to be searched for.

https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/display-name/

Be sure to read all the comments to find the last working version.

There are a lot of new tricks I’ve figured out over the years which would make such a plugin much better now, like not activating the filter until you are already inside the bbPress templates (ie. ‘bb_head’) so that the plugin does not step on internals like replacing user_login with the display name for urls, etc.

[Greg]

Just like to add that I’m personally not terribly worried about the admin section UI. There are other more important things (perf, for example).

I NEVER write admin pages for my own plugins, but rather use a simple config file. I often think how nice it would be to have pretty admin pages, but it never gets to the top of the priority list because user features are more important.

_ck_, thanks. A year ago I really didn’t understand the code base very well so the 0.9 versus 1.0 decision wasn’t terribly well informed. And I think that if I went to 0.9 I would want to also get out of deep integration to get all of the perf benefits.

Now that I’ve written a bunch of custom plugins it is probably a simple thing to get all this working. As part of the user management model it does seem like something that is a core part of the system though.

BTW, one little complication is to add something along the lines of the way 1.0+ caches userdata with one big query before rendering all the individual topics (thereby avoiding individual queries for display name at each topic). The plugin would need to take care of this too.

[zaerl]

http://tr.im/ is actually overloaded and it output an xhtml error page that is injected on your page. See row 111.

It seems that: https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/social-it/ doesn’t handle this kind of error.

[zaerl]

This is what happened. I said:

Try again to contact him. I have a modified version of bbPM with 1), 2) and 3) but I don’t share it cause the nightgunner5 is active in this site.

In my opinion a mere fork is a bad idea when the original author is still around. I have built zaerl Visibility on top of hidden forums cause _ck_ wasn’t active in the last X months.

Then the plugin has been announced. So I dediced that writing plugin will not be funny anymore. I have announced this in my 7 plugins pages:

bbpress.org/plugins/topic/zaerl-editor/page/2/#post-5992

bbpress.org/plugins/topic/zaerl-random-description/#post-5993

bbpress.org/plugins/topic/zaerl-visibility/page/3/#post-5994

bbpress.org/plugins/topic/zaerl-simple-registration/#post-5995

bbpress.org/plugins/topic/zaerl-url-preview/#post-5996

bbpress.org/plugins/topic/zaerl-post-permalink/#post-5997

bbpress.org/plugins/topic/zaerl-wordpress-3-integration/#post-5998

(no direct link in order to not be triggered as spam.)

That’s it.

[chrishajer]

Just rescued this post from Akismet.

[_ck_]

The reason why many of my plugins require editing is because it’s usually a “set and forget” situation and nothing can top that for maximum performance. Some I just couldn’t be motivated to do all the work for an admin menu until I knew people were actually using it, and based on donations, virtually no-one is using my plugins or wants them improved.

Plus until I came up with an idea for external admin code, I hated how they were often larger than the plugin itself.

In any case admin menu frameworks can easily be changed. There were several plugins for WordPress 2.5 and earlier that reformatted all the menus, the design in WordPress today was lifted from those plugins directly.

The idea that there will be a “perfect” standalone to plugin converter is incredibly naive. It will convert data, all your plugins and themes will be dead.

In any case bbPress will definitely be forked, I am hoping there will be several forks.

ps. @Greg, Display Names can be “accessed” from bbPress 0.9 since they are just in the user metadata and autoload when the user is fetched, you just have no UI elements to set or change them from 0.9 (but if you have WP integrated, just use that). It would be easy to make a plugin that displayed the Display Name in bbpress.

[Marius-]

A user posted a topic on my forum which totally messed up the css of my forum. Only for that specific topic.

Heres the link to the topic: http://www.michaeljackson.no/forum/topic.php?id=331&replies=3&message=closed

I have no idea why this has happened. A wild guess would be the profanity filter plugin, but no words are being censored or affected at all. This is the first time this has happened in a year of running bbpress.

All other topics are just fine. Check yourself to see what a normal topic looks like, by hitting the home-link in the header.

[Greg]

Using display names versus login names is an ancient argument and there are pros and cons on each side. It is a user experience design decision that individual site owners will make.

_ck_, I agree display names have their drawbacks, but using the login name does too. For example:

– login names favor early joiners (which you may or may not want to do)

– login names have more restrictions (e.g. no spaces)

– login names are less “natural” in some types of community

– login names are more tricky to change

Display names have some additional drawbacks you didn’t mention

– confusion of two names for a member

I don’t think the spoofing is a real issue — like Ben says you can display the member role to avoid that. Two users CAN select the same display name, but people deal with duplicate names in real life all the time. The profile picture becomes more important though.

Personally, I think the argument in favor of display names gets stronger in proportion to the degree of community in your forum. So I wouldn’t use them on a support forum, but I would use them on an enthusiast site.

Long story, but I might switch back to 0.9 on one project if I can somehow get display name support.

IF I did use a fork, it would be 0.9 (to me this is an existing fork, not a new one) to get away from Backpress. This would be mostly for performance reasons and so I’ll be watching the db query count on the plugin version with interest.

[zaerl]

If I changed my display name to _ck_, I would still be marked as “Member”

But if you change your name in “zaerl” and you put on my same avatar then you will look exactly like me (at first sight obviously, the profile page is different.)

I allow my users to use the display name and implicitly to have the same name/surname/nickname but I use a plugin that transform “The Display Name” to “The Display Name (the_login_name)” so these is no confusion. Also I use another plugin that prevent users for taking a list of display names like: Administrator, Moderator, Key Master etc.

[_KB_]

Sure, i’ll do that tonight when I get home

@kevinjohngallagher what about Toy Story3? I think that will be really interesting so that you’ve forget abt this topic

[kevinjohngallagher]

We don’t need a fork –

bbPress standalone (which isn’t going to be discontinued until there’s a perfect converter to the plugin version)

Sweet, whats the time frame on this?

Because if this is way offin the future, then cool.

If this is this year, then it’s not.

The issue here is one of perspective, and we don’t have the data on this yet.

can easily be replaced with a WP install with only the bbPress on it

yeah, but some of us don’t want that…

[kevinjohngallagher]

But seriously – do people want display names because of lack of UTF8 support in user_login?

I find that people want display names for a few reasons:

• They like to have the same login name for websites
• They don’t want people to see/know their login name
• Their login name might be difficult as a username
• People are used to it from other forums. It’s no longer “standard” it’s a “baisc”.

Here’s an Real World example I dealt with today:

An MMO people playing forum, where people are displayed by their username, but they want to be displayed by their “character name”.

Here’s a Real World example I dealt with about a month ago:

A good willed American called Joh Mahone chooses the username “IrishMahone” for years, but when he joined one of my Irish Tourism boards, and gots abuse every time he posts. Thats because his username says “Irish My Ass” in Gaelic. This didn’t go down well.

So do 1.x/WP users allow members to change their display name to “administrator” ?

Or to mimic the names of moderators?

No, i’m sure there is a catch for this.

I’ve never liked display names, they are a really bad idea on an active forum where you cannot control the mental age or lack of social skills of some of the members.

True, and I’m all for worst case scenarios when coding; but surely it’s easier to put some kind of time lock on when or how often one can change their name? Or even have name changes approved? I’m just blurting ideas here – but if its something that people will miss when going from 1.0 to 0.9, then why don’t we think about a solution?

How much time do you spend in the admin section, does pretty really matter?

Pretty? no.

Usable? Hell yeah !!!

Sadly on my busier forums (moderation wise), the decision to upgrade from 0.9 to 1.0 was won over by the admin section. This is also true of bbPress installs for “less tech savy” users.

One of the things about your plugins _ck_ is that they mostly require people to open the file and manually edit. Thats not everyone’s cup of tea. Thats not to be disparaging of the method, or its reasons, but we’re at a stage now where people that come to forums expect an Admin UI and options to be there.

Also, and I think this is something tht no-ones said here, but if you think “bbPress, hear good things, lets look at this” and you download 0.9 and see THAT admin section and kakuemi theme, you’re not going to think “oh this looks good, modern andwell thought through” you’re going to think “awesome, i’m Marty McFly, my computer is a delorian, and i’ve landed in the 90s”.

[RedBull]

I have bbpress 1.0.2

[Ben L.]

_ck_

Moderator

Ben L.

Member

If I changed my display name to _ck_, I would still be marked as “Member”. I could change my name to administrator as well, but people on this site are used to seeing Name – Rank, not Rank – Member.

And if you’re going to bash 1.0 or 1.1, don’t do it because of added features. 1.0 added several security fixes (for example, try going to an admin page “admin-base.php?plugin=[name of destructive function here]” in both 0.9 and 1.0. Only 0.9 executes the function.

_ck_, I could just as easily apply your arguments against display names to email, instant messaging, or IRC.

We don’t need a fork – bbPress standalone (which isn’t going to be discontinued until there’s a perfect converter to the plugin version) can easily be replaced with a WP install with only the bbPress on it.

[kevinjohngallagher]

I commented on that last night, time differences must be working against us, here’s my (slightly edited) reply:

Howdy Ben,

Just as I was about to head to bed I saw your post (thats my excuse for the typos).

I think matey, it’s a tad of an over simplification, and I think you’ve actually missed bits yourself (rather than missed them out).

1) [edited as off topic]

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/extra-dropdown-field-in-registration-page#post-70307

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/block-users-by-their-names

2) It’s not the first time that Zaerl’s mentioned trying to contact you about the updates he made to the plugin. Its not a bad comment on yourself at all bro. We know how these things go. Its more… the work he did was done months ago, he didn’t only do it last week (not sure how clear that was to you)

3) It’s cool that you’re cool with someone updating your code. It’s awesome. Not everyone is, and I think it’s good of Z to check first. It’s also been a strange “week” since he said he’d ask, and todays post. Like… ALOT has happened.

4) Zaerl’s statement is “wrong” in your opinion. We’re still very much at the mixed signals stage. If you look at everything posted by “those in the know”, there is no definative clear cut answer. On one hand we’re given good news, on the other bad. Basically, take 2 days off from reading the bbPress forum, and you’re on the wrong end of the swing/roundabout.

Plus I have an email from my conversation with AndyNacin/PeteMall/JJJ which states categorically that [the plugin] “will be the only supported version of bbPress” (the email thread is very open and honest – i couldn’t apprecaite it anymore if i tried. I just don’t like to nor have permission to repost it) or this post from JJJ https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/bbpress-plugin-is-born#post-71009

“This is the end of the line for the current implementation of bbPress?”

Yes.

Of course, there are other posts that suggest the opposite. It’s cool if you’re in the “everything will be OK camp”, jsut as much as it’s cool if Zaerl’s in the “no, it won’t camp”. But i don’t think anyone is categorically wrong.

5) bbP1.1 is further away from being released now than it was 8 weeks ago. After Matt wasn’t happy about releasing 1.0.3, telling ChrisH we had to wait for 1.1 to be finished, we bumped as much as we could from 1.1 to get the bug fixes in 1.0.3 out ASAP. If we’re not getting another bbPress standalone release for sure, then alot of them will have to go back into 1.1. If they go back into 1.1, I doubt it’ll be released before the Fall.

6) “And even if bbPress development was going to end, it’s open source, so just like b2/cafelog, a new project would spring up”

Thats very true mate. I’m sure it will. Doesn’t mean that Zaerl (or others) want to hang around here though.

7) You link to a post detailing _ck_’s “goodbye”. As much as _ck_ and I don’t see eye to eye on things, I can’t see one thing on her goodbye that doesn’t ring true.

Relax. We’ve done this before.

True Matt, but it didn’t inspire confidence then, it sure doesn’t inspire confidence now…

[Ashish Kumar (Ashfame)]

Thanks Greg and _ck_ for participating!

I totally agree with you on the admin section.

Adding a poll to the question, what would you like to see? A fork of v0.9 or v1.1

Here is the poll – http://poll.fm/239qh

[kevinjohngallagher]

Well, bbPress as a plugin is official bbPress fork.

Ha

It’s really not.

It’s a totally new progam with the same name.

[Milan Dinić]

There’s an official bbPress fork?

Well, bbPress as a plugin is official bbPress fork.