[kevinjohngallagher]

We don’t need a fork –

bbPress standalone (which isn’t going to be discontinued until there’s a perfect converter to the plugin version)

Sweet, whats the time frame on this?

Because if this is way offin the future, then cool.

If this is this year, then it’s not.

The issue here is one of perspective, and we don’t have the data on this yet.

can easily be replaced with a WP install with only the bbPress on it

yeah, but some of us don’t want that…

[kevinjohngallagher]

But seriously – do people want display names because of lack of UTF8 support in user_login?

I find that people want display names for a few reasons:

• They like to have the same login name for websites
• They don’t want people to see/know their login name
• Their login name might be difficult as a username
• People are used to it from other forums. It’s no longer “standard” it’s a “baisc”.

Here’s an Real World example I dealt with today:

An MMO people playing forum, where people are displayed by their username, but they want to be displayed by their “character name”.

Here’s a Real World example I dealt with about a month ago:

A good willed American called Joh Mahone chooses the username “IrishMahone” for years, but when he joined one of my Irish Tourism boards, and gots abuse every time he posts. Thats because his username says “Irish My Ass” in Gaelic. This didn’t go down well.

So do 1.x/WP users allow members to change their display name to “administrator” ?

Or to mimic the names of moderators?

No, i’m sure there is a catch for this.

I’ve never liked display names, they are a really bad idea on an active forum where you cannot control the mental age or lack of social skills of some of the members.

True, and I’m all for worst case scenarios when coding; but surely it’s easier to put some kind of time lock on when or how often one can change their name? Or even have name changes approved? I’m just blurting ideas here – but if its something that people will miss when going from 1.0 to 0.9, then why don’t we think about a solution?

How much time do you spend in the admin section, does pretty really matter?

Pretty? no.

Usable? Hell yeah !!!

Sadly on my busier forums (moderation wise), the decision to upgrade from 0.9 to 1.0 was won over by the admin section. This is also true of bbPress installs for “less tech savy” users.

One of the things about your plugins _ck_ is that they mostly require people to open the file and manually edit. Thats not everyone’s cup of tea. Thats not to be disparaging of the method, or its reasons, but we’re at a stage now where people that come to forums expect an Admin UI and options to be there.

Also, and I think this is something tht no-ones said here, but if you think “bbPress, hear good things, lets look at this” and you download 0.9 and see THAT admin section and kakuemi theme, you’re not going to think “oh this looks good, modern andwell thought through” you’re going to think “awesome, i’m Marty McFly, my computer is a delorian, and i’ve landed in the 90s”.

[RedBull]

I have bbpress 1.0.2

[Ben L.]

_ck_

Moderator

Ben L.

Member

If I changed my display name to _ck_, I would still be marked as “Member”. I could change my name to administrator as well, but people on this site are used to seeing Name – Rank, not Rank – Member.

And if you’re going to bash 1.0 or 1.1, don’t do it because of added features. 1.0 added several security fixes (for example, try going to an admin page “admin-base.php?plugin=[name of destructive function here]” in both 0.9 and 1.0. Only 0.9 executes the function.

_ck_, I could just as easily apply your arguments against display names to email, instant messaging, or IRC.

We don’t need a fork – bbPress standalone (which isn’t going to be discontinued until there’s a perfect converter to the plugin version) can easily be replaced with a WP install with only the bbPress on it.

[kevinjohngallagher]

I commented on that last night, time differences must be working against us, here’s my (slightly edited) reply:

Howdy Ben,

Just as I was about to head to bed I saw your post (thats my excuse for the typos).

I think matey, it’s a tad of an over simplification, and I think you’ve actually missed bits yourself (rather than missed them out).

1) [edited as off topic]

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/extra-dropdown-field-in-registration-page#post-70307

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/block-users-by-their-names

2) It’s not the first time that Zaerl’s mentioned trying to contact you about the updates he made to the plugin. Its not a bad comment on yourself at all bro. We know how these things go. Its more… the work he did was done months ago, he didn’t only do it last week (not sure how clear that was to you)

3) It’s cool that you’re cool with someone updating your code. It’s awesome. Not everyone is, and I think it’s good of Z to check first. It’s also been a strange “week” since he said he’d ask, and todays post. Like… ALOT has happened.

4) Zaerl’s statement is “wrong” in your opinion. We’re still very much at the mixed signals stage. If you look at everything posted by “those in the know”, there is no definative clear cut answer. On one hand we’re given good news, on the other bad. Basically, take 2 days off from reading the bbPress forum, and you’re on the wrong end of the swing/roundabout.

Plus I have an email from my conversation with AndyNacin/PeteMall/JJJ which states categorically that [the plugin] “will be the only supported version of bbPress” (the email thread is very open and honest – i couldn’t apprecaite it anymore if i tried. I just don’t like to nor have permission to repost it) or this post from JJJ https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/bbpress-plugin-is-born#post-71009

“This is the end of the line for the current implementation of bbPress?”

Yes.

Of course, there are other posts that suggest the opposite. It’s cool if you’re in the “everything will be OK camp”, jsut as much as it’s cool if Zaerl’s in the “no, it won’t camp”. But i don’t think anyone is categorically wrong.

5) bbP1.1 is further away from being released now than it was 8 weeks ago. After Matt wasn’t happy about releasing 1.0.3, telling ChrisH we had to wait for 1.1 to be finished, we bumped as much as we could from 1.1 to get the bug fixes in 1.0.3 out ASAP. If we’re not getting another bbPress standalone release for sure, then alot of them will have to go back into 1.1. If they go back into 1.1, I doubt it’ll be released before the Fall.

6) “And even if bbPress development was going to end, it’s open source, so just like b2/cafelog, a new project would spring up”

Thats very true mate. I’m sure it will. Doesn’t mean that Zaerl (or others) want to hang around here though.

7) You link to a post detailing _ck_’s “goodbye”. As much as _ck_ and I don’t see eye to eye on things, I can’t see one thing on her goodbye that doesn’t ring true.

Relax. We’ve done this before.

True Matt, but it didn’t inspire confidence then, it sure doesn’t inspire confidence now…

[Ashish Kumar (Ashfame)]

Thanks Greg and _ck_ for participating!

I totally agree with you on the admin section.

Adding a poll to the question, what would you like to see? A fork of v0.9 or v1.1

Here is the poll – http://poll.fm/239qh

[kevinjohngallagher]

Well, bbPress as a plugin is official bbPress fork.

Ha

It’s really not.

It’s a totally new progam with the same name.

[Milan Dinić]

There’s an official bbPress fork?

Well, bbPress as a plugin is official bbPress fork.

[testperson]

So just make a php file with that inside name it for example delete post and upload it to my plugins, right?

Thanks a lot

bbpress is getting more and more interesting for me

[_ck_]

While the WP backend is “pretty”, in WP it has to be because users are exposed to it for some crazy reason, and of course it breaks with the entire default theme of the site.

How much time do you spend in the admin section, does pretty really matter?

bbPress (standalone) solved the admin menu problem with users by making advanced profiles. Unfortunately bbPress (plugin) will revert right back to the WP problem.

That said, the admin section could be much more disconnected from the main program anyway, so it can be developed by different people at a different rate with different theme possibilities.

It might even be possible to “theme” the admin section like the regular site theme.

[_ck_]

So do 1.x/WP users allow members to change their display name to “administrator” ?

Or to mimic the names of moderators?

But seriously – do people want display names because of lack of UTF8 support in user_login?

Because that’s easily fixable.

I’ve never liked display names, they are a really bad idea on an active forum where you cannot control the mental age or lack of social skills of some of the members.

[pagal]

@ Zaerl, Please read this interesting Post by Ben L.

bbPress development is NOT ending

[Greg]

I have a WPMU install with an integrated forum. I ended up using 1.0+ with deep integration.

If my memory serves me one of the reasons was that 1.0 has display name support, but 0.9 doesn’t.

[Ashish Kumar (Ashfame)]

What’s all missing in terms of features in 0.9 when we compare it to bbPress 1.0+ ?

• XMLRPC – but do we use it right now? I haven’t heard of anything using bbPress XMLRPC
• WordPress matching backend

What else? I never used 0.9 much. BTW, I think most of the functionality a forum owner would need are covered by _ck_’s plugins

I would like to hear from you guys.

[mdolon]

Thanks zaerl!

In terms of integration, I connected the databases between WP and bbPress during installation and made sure that the cookie information matched in both configuration files (bb-config and wp-config). Those two steps made it so when a user registered and logged in at my forum, they were logged in at my blog too.

I didn’t really need any of the WordPress functions in bbPress so I skipped the deep integration part (calling wp-load). The only bit of dynamic code in my header is checking to see if a user is logged in, and on WordPress you can do that with:

<?php if(is_user_logged_in()){?>

Do something

<?php } ?>

I use caching to load the sidebar and footer. When someone visits my main site, http://devgrow.com/, it creates a cache of the sidebar and footer if there is no existing cache or if it’s older than 6 hours. The cache is just a text file that contains the output of the dynamic bits in my sidebar in HTML format, which I just include in my bbPress sidebar and footer.

I also wrote some custom code to pull the recent and popular (most replies) topics and display them with their topic icons.

Hope that makes sense, let me know if you have any other questions.

[WP Realty]

I’ve installed an integrated WordPress 3.0 (NOT MU) and the latest BBPress. When users register with WP they can not add any reply or start a new post in the forums.

I tested this with the default unaltered theme and same thing.

Looking in the DB I see that each member is a “member” in WP but there is no BB_METAUSERS table for bbpress. I think this isn’t required when an integrated solution is installed.

Any idea why all new members are set to “Inactive”?

J

[zaerl]

offical bbpress fork

There’s an official bbPress fork?

[Ashish Kumar (Ashfame)]

I would love to hear the implementation details

[jurasiks]

pagal, i am not a HTML/CSS noob, and i also modified bbPress core with some PHP edits

your method will not work with custom pages.

i think, i will solve my problem soon by myself

[XU3E]

This is realy good plugin but Its not working properly with new versions bbpress. _ck_ doesnt support it anymore because his own branch for 0.9.

Its fantastic oportunity for someone skilled to take this for keeping update with offical bbpress fork.

Perhaps… it should be implement in bbpress core or bb-plugin.

[zaerl]

I like it. Very clean theme.

[Ryan Hellyer]

I suspect there will be a mad rush of people porting those over to the new plugin. I’d expect a few phpBB themes to make their way over too I’d suspect.

[_ck_]

Note that filter is only available in bbPress 1.0 and 1.1, if you are trying to do it in 0.9 it will not work.

In 0.9 unfortunately you’d have to edit the end of registration-functions.php

[_ck_]

Here is what (the highly respected) Mark Jaquith has to say about the very similar problem over on the WordPress side:

Why WordPress Themes are Derivative of WordPress

And I guess the way I stated this whole thing was wrong to begin with, what I meant instead was that if you sell premium themes to remember they also have to be GPL – IF you start with another theme that is GPL.

You can’t make a premium theme that uses GPL code from another theme or bbPress/WordPress itself and sell it without making it GPL.

(now I think I finally said it correctly)

I guess the sad conclusion to all this is how bbPress standalone now has some really nice premium themes but is ending standalone development.

[r-a-y]

Looks good! Also loads quite fast due to not using deep integration.