[Erlend]

Thanks for the update John. I’ll admit I had already adjusted my expectations. Here’s the thing about transparent development and deadlines though: It’s fine to set deadlines, but when you’re getting a strong sense that you won’t make it, say so.

I would have preferred checking in yesterday or the day before that to find “bbPress pre-release deadline post-poned”. Instead I came in today with just a tiny bit of hope, but we all know how that ended.

@_ck_ The “hijacking” comment was all kinds of ‘too far’, ‘out of context’ and plain false. I have a lot of respect for you and share a lot of your opinions about the bbP project, but right now you are truly on the verge of trolling.

[lmsook10]

Hello,

I’m new in both WP and BBP, but have some background with PHP.

I’m building a website using WP 3.0 Twenty Ten theme, and one of page needs bulletine board, so I decided to use BBPress for that.

Thanks for http://1plusdesign.com/articles/bbpress-wordpress-integration/ I could install bbpress under my WP site (http://localhost/wordpress) like http://localhost/wordpress/forums and if I go to http://localhost/wordpress/forums directly, I can see the bbpress forum, but my question is without direct accessing to the url (http://localhost/wordpress/forums),how can someone from my WP site go to the forum page? For instance, I have a page called Forum in my WP site, and I would like if someone clicks(goes to) the page, it will display http://localhost/wordpress/forums

Thanks for your reply.

[_ck_]

Yes but what happens when you try to jump directly to a specific post.

bbPress doesn’t know the order of the posts so unless you change it with a filter, it will never return the person back to their own post.

If you only have a single page of posts the problem is avoided, but try it on a topic with three pages of posts.

[_ck_]

Mods have no control over that and I highly doubt admin will bother because of display names giving you the ability to rename anyone to anything else.

Asking on bbpress.org is probably also a bad idea, use the more highly trafficked wordpress.org

[hpguru]

Feature request: Import from bbPress (should be coming) and Simple:Press. Thank you.

[Rich Pedley]

All sounds good, thanks for the update

[John James Jacoby]

I’ve been side tracked with BuddyPress bugs and paying work, so don’t expect anything official for a week or two. I have a few projects coming up fast that will need this working so while I’m missing my soft Sept 15 deadline, I don’t think it will be /too/ far off.

Sorry to disappoint, it’s no fun… and thanks for your patience with me and it.

For the record, I love bbPress. I have a few commits going into 1.1, and I have every intention of making bbPress be the best it can be as a WordPress plugin.

Regarding my motivation and priority, it’s to make great forum software that fits inside WordPress; nothing more and nothing less.

Regarding why I was able to step into this role, it’s because our peers believe I am capable, and I am willing to dedicate time and effort towards it getting it done.

Regarding any possible benefit BuddyPress might see, is a welcome bonus but not a priority. BuddyPress/bbPress processing times should decrease with BuddyPress 1.2.6, as a few tweaks have been made and a bug or two have been patched in that regard. Even still, nothing compares to the blazing fast speed of bbPress by itself, even in the slower 1.x branch.

Regarding everything else, I’m just here to write the best code I can, help make bbPress a great WordPress plugin, and have fun doing it all. So far, so good on my end.

[milkyWim]

solved! see : https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/making-the-newest-posts-show-up-first

[frooyo]

@ _ck_

And how once I had hope for bbPress, it seems like that hope dead with 0.9 some 3 years ago

_ck_, I’ll definitely make a donation, if you were to pick back up 0.9 and run with it. Fix the known bugs in 0.9 and add in native page (front page & topic) caching for non-logged in users.

I’ll donate $100. Seriously.

[Hard Seat Sleeper]

I’m running bbPress 1.0.2 and everything is working fine, but responding to an existing thread (posting a response to it) is verrrry slow to post, and sometimes even times out with an error. But the response always gets posted, even if the site times out.

Weirdly, starting a new thread is very fast.

Any idea what could be causing it?

[kikko088]

Hi at all, I try to put a value on input form (like bbpress.org form), I use this code

<input name=”topic” type=”text” id=”topic” size=”50″ maxlength=”80″ tabindex=”1″ value=”text” onfocus=”if(this.value==’text’){this.value=”;this.focus();}” onblur=”if(this.value==”){this.value=’text’}”/>

normally it work, now the problem is that I use also related post and I think it conflicts with the input code, infact if I active plugin the code don’t work, if I deactive the plugin the code work perfectly.

Can you help me?

kikko088

[_ck_]

For those not familiar with BuddyPress or how it uses bbPress, let me give you a quick example.

Here is a typical BuddyPress group’s discussion area (without forums it’s just a group of bloggers which also can be done with basic buddypress but it’s boring)

http://culturadigital.br/groups/banda-infinnita/forum/

Here it is natively inside the bbPress engine:

http://www.culturadigital.br/forum/forum.php?id=151

If you look back on their bbpress front-page you can see how all the groups are exposed as individual forums. This is how buddypress needs bbpress.

(I have no association at all with that site, it’s just a rare example of behind the scenes – unfortunately this kind of demo is not possible on most buddypress sites because JJJ has learned over time to “lock down” bbpress to prevent direct examination)

BuddyPress doesn’t need the bbPress front-end, at all. But it desperately needs the backend. And JJJ needs that backend to be faster and not have to load it’s own core. So by switching it to use WordPress’s core, buddyPress will be faster.

ps.the buddypress version of the forum takes FIVE times longer to render than the bbpress version – I’m not talking about the time to send the extra images on the page, I’m talking just server time to render the page. And that’s against bbPress 1.0, not 0.9

[_ck_]

@frooyo

Yes that is why forks of bbpress would be wise to start with 0.9

[frooyo]

@ _ck_

So bbPress is progressively getting worse and worse?

Sounds like 0.7-0.9 was what we’d all want back, no?

[_ck_]

Same question by two people on the same day?

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/making-the-newest-posts-show-up-first

[_ck_]

Let me clarify for those that don’t follow.

BuddyPress is JJJ’s pet project.

Buddypress relies on WordPress, currently it’s technically a “plugin” to WordPress.

Buddypress (pre-1.3) uses bbpress standalone to manage it’s groups by using bbpress’s engine to manage forums (buddypress “groups” technically are forums with specific memberships to limit who can post to where).

JJJ sees that there are far too many layers and way too much code being loaded which is making buddypress too slow. So his plan is to more closely tie bbpress into WordPress, making buddypress faster.

His motivation is not to improve bbpress for the sake of making bbpress better. He doesn’t need the front end of bbpress at all for buddypress. He already manages it through buddypress.

So by reinventing bbpress to use wordpress’s core, he can cut out some of the bulk and make buddypress faster. BuddyPress is currently very slow and bulky unless you have a decent server and good caching setup.

Taking control of bbPress is a side project to help buddypress for JJJ and he’ll never convince me otherwise about his motivations.

Note I am NOT saying you won’t be able to run bbPress without buddypress, of course you will be able to (because that’s even less complicated) But that’s not his motivation or priority, at all.

@frooyo

0.7-0.9 bbPress standalone, high speed core independent of WP

1.0-1.1 bbPress relies on backpress core, which uses WP functions (150% larger)

1.2/2.0 bbPress relies on WordPress 3+ for it’s core (200% larger)

If you think hooking into the bulk that is WP 3.x is going to make bbPress faster, well there’s going to be a mighty big wake up call sometime soon. It will make page caching easier, but that’s good because it’s practically going to be a requirement.

JJJ’s only motivation to do this is because his pet buddypress project relies on the bulk of WP so the logic is might as well force bbPress to also.

TL;DR bbPress rewrite makes buddypress faster but bbpress by itself slower than 0.9/1.1

[alexborras]

I managed to install manually configuring forum bb-config.php file and uploading to the bbPress folder. The bbPress database is different from WordPress.

[Rich Pedley]

No that’s wrong.

bbPress as a plugin for WordPress as a standalone plugin is being developed.

bbpress as a standalone still exists as this time.

bbpress does not rely on buddyPress.

buddyPress (as far as I am aware, but I could be wrong) uses an older version of bbPress.

As JJJ maintains buddyPress which uses bbPress it is only natural for him to ensure the 2 work together.

[frooyo]

@ _ck_

I don’t understand. I thought bbPress was to become a WP plugin, not apart of buddyPress (as it is in 1.0).

I’m so confused. Is this a good summary below?

– bbPress 0.x was a standalone forum product not dependent on anything else

– bbPress 1.0/1.1 is a standalone forum product but dependent upon buddyPress

– bbPress 1.2 (aka 2.0) will be a complete rewrite. no longer standalone forum software but instead, a WP plugin but NOT dependent on buddyPress. Just a WP plugin much like SimplePress (which is also a WP forum plugin).

Is that a correct summary above?

[_ck_]

Y’all don’t seem to notice that JJJ is mostly rewriting bbPress so it will work better with buddyPress specifically.

So bbPress 1.2 (please call it 2.0) being reinvented is tied directly to buddyPress 1.3

If you want clues, I’d be looking at buddyPress 1.3 release dates, not any specific commitments to bbPress itself.

https://trac.buddypress.org/milestone/1.3

Unless they are going to sweep a great deal of tickets under the rug (which happens often with WordPress so it’s not impossible with BP either) you’ve got a bit of a wait.

The key to understanding what is happening is that buddyPress is his pet project and bbPress is used as the internal engine for buddyPress groups. So if he rewrites one, has has to rewrite the other.

I didn’t completely realize this until I recently started studying what had changed in buddypress to understand why JJJ wanted to hijack bbPress. buddypress right now is essentially bloatpress and what he is doing to bbpress is specifically for his own ends to reduce BP bloat, not for the general good of bbpress users.

There are about 1000 (active) sites using bbpress inside of buddypress, so bbpress standalone is essentially being waylaid for those sites.

[_ck_]

While I won’t say it’s impossible, doing this currently with bbpress is difficult because of how everything internally is geared for newest last.

The post_position and other issues make this tricky. Even something as basic as jumping to the current post becomes a problem and has to be worked around.

Matt just didn’t think of anyone desiring it any other way when he first coded things in bbpress and now it’s legacy.

This is something I plan to address in a future (forked) version as well as parent/child threading. I’ve actually already accomplished it using plugins for a specific client but it’s overly complex and non-standardized.

[VirtualityStudio]

For anyone else that wants to set the default avatar… I eventually found this plugin that did work for me: https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/bb-avatars/

yahoo!

now just to solve that pesky website link vs profile link issue.

[Ashish Kumar (Ashfame)]

Good that you got it working

[RedBull]

The two above posts explain how to accomplish this.

If you are using _ck_’s bbcode-lite plugin: https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/bbcode-lite/

You can use basic html

<img src=”http://mydomain.com/pic.jpg&#8221; alt=”Pic1″ />

[_ck_]

The wordpress plugin would have to be adapted for bbpress.