[Rich Pedley]

No that’s wrong.

bbPress as a plugin for WordPress as a standalone plugin is being developed.

bbpress as a standalone still exists as this time.

bbpress does not rely on buddyPress.

buddyPress (as far as I am aware, but I could be wrong) uses an older version of bbPress.

As JJJ maintains buddyPress which uses bbPress it is only natural for him to ensure the 2 work together.

[frooyo]

@ _ck_

I don’t understand. I thought bbPress was to become a WP plugin, not apart of buddyPress (as it is in 1.0).

I’m so confused. Is this a good summary below?

– bbPress 0.x was a standalone forum product not dependent on anything else

– bbPress 1.0/1.1 is a standalone forum product but dependent upon buddyPress

– bbPress 1.2 (aka 2.0) will be a complete rewrite. no longer standalone forum software but instead, a WP plugin but NOT dependent on buddyPress. Just a WP plugin much like SimplePress (which is also a WP forum plugin).

Is that a correct summary above?

[_ck_]

Y’all don’t seem to notice that JJJ is mostly rewriting bbPress so it will work better with buddyPress specifically.

So bbPress 1.2 (please call it 2.0) being reinvented is tied directly to buddyPress 1.3

If you want clues, I’d be looking at buddyPress 1.3 release dates, not any specific commitments to bbPress itself.

https://trac.buddypress.org/milestone/1.3

Unless they are going to sweep a great deal of tickets under the rug (which happens often with WordPress so it’s not impossible with BP either) you’ve got a bit of a wait.

The key to understanding what is happening is that buddyPress is his pet project and bbPress is used as the internal engine for buddyPress groups. So if he rewrites one, has has to rewrite the other.

I didn’t completely realize this until I recently started studying what had changed in buddypress to understand why JJJ wanted to hijack bbPress. buddypress right now is essentially bloatpress and what he is doing to bbpress is specifically for his own ends to reduce BP bloat, not for the general good of bbpress users.

There are about 1000 (active) sites using bbpress inside of buddypress, so bbpress standalone is essentially being waylaid for those sites.

[_ck_]

While I won’t say it’s impossible, doing this currently with bbpress is difficult because of how everything internally is geared for newest last.

The post_position and other issues make this tricky. Even something as basic as jumping to the current post becomes a problem and has to be worked around.

Matt just didn’t think of anyone desiring it any other way when he first coded things in bbpress and now it’s legacy.

This is something I plan to address in a future (forked) version as well as parent/child threading. I’ve actually already accomplished it using plugins for a specific client but it’s overly complex and non-standardized.

[VirtualityStudio]

For anyone else that wants to set the default avatar… I eventually found this plugin that did work for me: https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/bb-avatars/

yahoo!

now just to solve that pesky website link vs profile link issue.

[Ashish Kumar (Ashfame)]

Good that you got it working

[RedBull]

The two above posts explain how to accomplish this.

If you are using _ck_’s bbcode-lite plugin: https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/bbcode-lite/

You can use basic html

<img src=”http://mydomain.com/pic.jpg&#8221; alt=”Pic1″ />

[_ck_]

The wordpress plugin would have to be adapted for bbpress.

[VirtualityStudio]

is there a way to change the default gravitar to something custom? i’m not talking about a member’s gravitar, but the one that shows up if they have not personalized it. there is a plugin to do this in wordpress, but i haven’t found one in bbpress yet.

also something i noticed is that under the gravitar… where the member’s name shows up, when you click on it the link takes you directly to their website instead of to their member profile……….. has anyone come across that and figured out a way to change that?

does bbpress have a permalinks option like wordpress does?

thanks!!!!!

[pvranken]

Ok, I did some searches in the WP DB and removed some more referrences to buddypress (just search for ‘buddy’ or ‘wp-bp’).

Alex, this probably works for you too, as you did exactly what I did. Asfame, thanks for thinking along.

[pvranken]

If you delete all ‘wp_bp’ tables, the forum installs. But it states that the forum is created in /wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-forums/bbpress/ (should be: domain.com/forum/ in my case)

I don’t have buddypress nor bbpress in my plugin directory any more. I guess I should remove more from the DB to make this work, any ideas?

[ethanthekiwi]

I integrated bbpress (1.0.2) with WordPress (3.0.1) successfully and integrated WordPress with Active Directory using the Simple LDAP login plugin. I can log in to WordPress then go to bbpress and be logged in still, but if I am not logged in, I cannot login through bbpress using active directory credentials. I can login to bbpress using an account that I created in WordPress. I have WordPress and bbPress installed in different databases, but bbPress uses the WordPress users database. Because the passwords are not stored in the WordPress database, (they are stored in Active Directory) it does not access them. My goal is to create a forum that is simple as possible for my organization’s intranet.

My system:

Turnkey Linux WordPress Appliance

WordPress 3.0.1

bbPress 1.0.2

[Rich Pedley]

I have contacted JJJ and pointed him at this thread. My guess is though that he has been busy elsewhere. But hopefully he’ll be along shortly with an update…

[zaerl]

sorry….I don’t know this is a support forum.

looks like a demo site…

Well the title of this page is “okiss test topic << bbPress Support Forums.”

[Ricardo]

is it this? tried to activated and it brought wordpress down on my local wampserver, had to delete plugin to get wordpress back again.

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/1038/bbpress.jpg

[Ashish Kumar (Ashfame)]

You would have to remove BuddyPress related stuff from DB then.

[Andre]

Can someone please give an update on whether or not bbpress as a plugin will be available for testing this week and let us know where we need to go for updates? I check http://bbpdevel.wordpress.com/ and http://bbdevel.wordpress.com/, but neither has been updated in a while.

[Ricardo]

From a user prespective

@kevinjohngallagher and _CK_

i agree with you two, specially the parts where you say bbpress.org users and mods are updated on bbpress stuff through other sites, relying on wordpress dashboard to spread the news sounds like a last minute attempt to minimize damages, but hey…nobody is perfect)

A lot of bbpress sucess is due to pluggin developers and i think its “out of order” to post bbpress news on buddypress blog, there are moderators here that are pluggin developers that feel “betrayed and hopless” because they spend countless hours and days and nobody tells them nothing… how would you feel JJJ if it was you? i’m aware nobody is perfect but you did talk about bbpress there and even linked to bbpress.org so why not say something here first? “i feel” your pain mods…

about the name change… i aalso agree it should be called bbpress 2.0 but i think that alone wont stop all the confusion around different versions… i agree with you (_CK_) but newcomers will still be confused wether its 2.0 or 1.2 because the real confusion its not the name but the several different versions.

All in all i think the next version is what a lot of users wanted (pluggin integration, no more backpress etc), thing is a lot of the sucess is due to pluggin authors that spent countless hours making sure their pluggins/themes work across several versions, now they have (or not) to start over.

2 last questions:

can we install the next version on its own? where can we download the alpha/beta of it? where is it? i would like to test even if its not fully functional like we do for wordpress, i can only find reference to the pluggin version at: http://svn.automattic.com/bbpress/branches/plugin/

not enough communication around… Good luck and thanks to everyone that works on bbpress wether coding/theming/pluggins or here maintaining the forum.

[pvranken]

I have exactly the same problem. My .htaccess file contained almost nothing, nevertheless I regenereated it without any changes.

Any other ideas? Is something still written in the WP DB tabels?

[mr_pelle]

Yes, I read that, but since there are still a couple of tickets left I supposed the September 15th date was quite unrealistic right now…

[Rich Pedley]

bbPress 1.2 (the plugin) should be stable enough to start testing as soon as September 15 (give or take a few days and/or missing features) with a full release due around the same time as BuddyPress 1.3.

ref: https://buddypress.org/2010/08/buddypress-and-bbpress-the-future/

that is why people are asking.

[Ashish Kumar (Ashfame)]

Try removing your .htaccess file and then regenerating it by setting permalinks settings.

[mr_pelle]

Actually 1.2’s milestone says:

Due in 4 months (12/31/10)

[okissliu]

we want to find a solution like http://bitfreedom.com/topic-reply-email/

create/reply the topic via mail directly

suppose bbPress only supports subscription

thanks a lot.

[Paul Gregory]

frooyo, if you see point 7.4 of the draft proposal you’ll see that it shouldn’t negatively affect this fork. Kevinjohn reckons that the bbPress plugin code and community will be excellently managed by JJJ. The fork will not prioritise integration with WordPress, meaning the fork can instead concentrate on being lightweight and modular (with 25 modules bundled in).

So that’s alright then. Oh, except at least one supporter of the fork thinks that “we will surely need to keep it tightly integrated with WordPress to market it and make it a success”.

I don’t really understand what part of bbPress it is that Kevinjohn wants to save. To me, it seems that the main thing he wants to keep from bbPress is the developers…

Right now, we’ve alot of exceptionally talented Developers, and not so much in the PM/BA department, and I’m merely trying to fill the gap I can be most helpful in.

Kevinjohn, you’re not filling a gap in bbPress, you’re creating a new project with all-new gaps and filling one or two of them.

Throughout the document you say “we” and “us” to mean either the bbPress community or the fork community. I wonder if at some points you forget that there even is a difference – that a fork is a breaking away. A new software, not a saving of the old software.

I was attracted to bbPress because it is the forum from the WordPress people and I like the tags. It is a shame that the project hasn’t flourished like WP has. I can understand that people will be attracted to a continuation of bbPress, but without the ties to WP the fork needs to stand alone with a clear identity. Heck, bbPress’s main problem is that it has a muddied identity – is it 0.9, 1.0 or plugin?

You say the proposal is a draft one, but I’m not entirely clear when/if you plan to release an amended version. I think that what you need to do after your blue-sky and requirement refinement phases is to publish a detailed proposal, a manifesto for the project, identifying what parts you’re taking from bbPress and what parts need to be rewritten, and asking “who’s with us?”.

Indeed, that’s what I hoped to see in the draft document, but instead I was disappointed by the contradictions and lack of detail. However, a definition that is refined by community consent rather than one man’s vision may well be the best start, and this fork may excite me yet.

With the fork defined clearly in a proper proposal, people who were particularly attached to rejected ideas can leave, and other developers and contributors will join. Everyone on the fork will believe in the project. You’ll know how many people are truly committed, and you can plan accordingly.

And this process will probably inspire even more forks from teams and individuals.

I suspect that the best post-bbPress projects will be rewrites of the core, like _ck_ has identified is necessary for her intriguing project. And that’s fine. Take the spirit, learn the lessons. Don’t keep bbPress code alive for the sake of it, just write the best forum software you can.

Kevinjohn, it may not seem it, but I wish your project well.