[Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)]

I’m assuming (based on Matt’s leanings) that he would like it to be a plugin and accepting that as probably the way it’ll go. A gross assumption, but the chat sounded rather pro-plugin to me. Could be wrong!

There’s no need for deep integration either : you just make bbPress work with the WordPress stylesheet .

Which is what I did, but it begs the question: Why?

If BuddyPress can make it work with one (two) clicks to integrate login and theme, why can’t WordPress and bbPress? Integration means I don’t have to edit two places if I want to modify my theme which, with a superficially ‘integrated’ WP, BB, Wiki and gallery, is much nicer! One less thing to do!

Some people also invested a lot in bbPress ( energy or money ), and trusted the bbPress team, so why make this big and unexpected change to bbPress ?

… I don’t see what that has to do with the price of rice. We’ve all invested time and money in bbPress, WordPress and a hundred other free, open-source applications. If bbPress ‘belongs’ to Akismet, then it’s their right to make the changes they feel would make the software more supportable and usable. They don’t have to ask us anything, but there they are, being good peoples, asking our feelings on the matter. They’re well within their rights to say we’re all fools and do what they want.

And bbPress is GPL open source, so unless I’m mistaken, you can port it to your own forum app. As long as you stay in the GPL too.

[Olympus]

There’s no need for deep integration either : you just make bbPress work with the WordPress stylesheet .

@zambrovski : the widgets support can be done using hooks, which are already supported by bbPress . So the UI side ( adding “widgets” from the admin area for example ) is the only thing needed here .

And no @ipstenu, no decision is taken now as I can see in the IRC discussion, the plugin thing was just an idea that we have to discuss, not a final decision . And because I’m worried about the future of bbPress ( which I’m planning to use for a future medium size project ), it is my right to say no !

Some people also invested a lot in bbPress ( energy or money ), and trusted the bbPress team, so why make this big and unexpected change to bbPress ?

[Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)]

Also, with deep integration, the theme works instantly, except that it seems to be discouraged in the installation instructions because of the heavier load. But if bbPress turns into a plugin, wouldn’t the end result (and load) be the same as in deep integration?

Yes and no. As it is now, deep integration with standalone bbPress duplicates many functions included in WordPress. The load gets larger becuase you’re doing the same thing multiple ways, multiple times.

If bbPress was a plugin, one would presume that instead of duplicating WP functions, it would instead utilize them.

Mind you, I’m neither pro-nor-anti plugin, I’m just accepting that was the decision, and wanting to make the move the easiest Same as the whole WP -> WPMU eventuality. It’ll happen, regardless of my opinion, it can be made to work, so let’s make it work! (tm Tim Gunn).

[brianvb]

Is there any possibility’s because i just want to make a board integrated in a wordpress page, or is there any other way?

[daudev]

We have progress, now I can login in wordpress and after that in bbpress and to be active logged in the two sites, but I’m not automaticaly in bbpress, when I login into wordpress

[Casemon]

Ironically, the plugin did not work for me.

Not sure why… hmmm.

[zambrovski]

I’m new to bbpress. In fact I’m on my first installation and I like to see the development.

I think the way the systems are now is good. They should remain separated. In the same time, it makes sence to develop exactly two plugins for the integration: one for WordPress and one for BBPress. The existence of many plugins for the “integration” (SSO, funcational/feature, admin) makes it confusing.

The most important thing missing is API documentation and Theme-Zoo.

Functional features I miss would be:

– wigdet support

– appearance management / editor (see WP)

[daudev]

gerikg unfortunately i’m using wordpress not MU!

[gerikg]

oh always clear your cache after messing with the config files.

[chrishajer]

I wouldn’t say Thesis Theme and DIY Themes “don’t have any issues”:

http://twitter.com/photomatt/statuses/1655636297

I’m not here to defend or even discuss the GPL or Automattic or Thesis theme. Just asking what license it is. I have no problem paying for someone’s hard work. I’m continually amazed at the amount of work people give away for free with regard to bbPress and WordPress.

[gerikg]

daudev I’m assuming you’re using WPMU

wp-config.php

$wp->cookiedomain = ‘.website.com’; *DELETE*

$wp->cookiepath = ‘/’; *DELETE*

$wp->sitecookiepath = ‘/’; *DELETE*

define( ‘COOKIEHASH’, ‘xxx’);

define(‘COOKIE_DOMAIN’, ‘.website.com’);

define(‘COOKIEPATH’,’/’);

define(‘SITECOOKIEPATH’, ‘/’);

bb-config.php

$bb->cookiedomain = ‘.website.com’; *DELETE*

$bb->cookiepath = ‘/’; *DELETE*

$bb->sitecookiepath = ‘/’; *DELETE*

define(‘COOKIE_DOMAIN’, ‘.website.com’);

define(‘COOKIEPATH’,’/’);

define(‘SITECOOKIEPATH’, ‘/’); *ADD*

[daudev]

Still the same here, but i found something else.

I have two sets of identical cookies, but there is one difference

I have domain .website.com in the one

and host website.com in the other, but i don’t knew why…

in my wp-confing.php

$wp->cookiedomain = ‘.website.com’;

$wp->cookiepath = ‘/’;

$wp->sitecookiepath = ‘/’;

define( ‘COOKIEHASH’, ‘xxx’);

define(‘COOKIE_DOMAIN’, ‘.website.com’);

define(‘COOKIEPATH’,’/’);

define(‘SITECOOKIEPATH’, ‘/’);

and in bb-config.php

$bb->cookiedomain = ‘.website.com’;

$bb->cookiepath = ‘/’;

$bb->sitecookiepath = ‘/’;

define(‘COOKIE_DOMAIN’, ‘.website.com’);

define(‘COOKIEPATH’,’/’);

do you have any ideas?

[Casemon]

Thanks for this.

I wonder, is there a non-plugin solution? Hate to load up plugins for something that should be automagic.

[grassrootspa]

I’m lost. In WordPress one can delete posts. This makes very little sense.

[Steven Hodson]

@Taeo Ya I realize that bbPress doesn’t have the same sidebar ‘functionality’ as WordPress. What I’mm looking for is more of hte code re-use idea .. write one (or two) sidebars.php and then just include them so thanks on the PHP confirm – I am pretty much a PHP n00b …..

[Olympus]

Theme integration can still be performed without having to turn bbPress into a plugin, and in fact, it can be done via a simple CSS trick ( that means that the default CSS of bbPress should be rewritten so that it becomes more flexible, and every element ( forum tables, forms etc… ) should act as “objects” which can be automatically stretched vertically independently of their parents or I don’t know, where the parents will be objects in the WP stylesheet ) . So again, for theme integration, NO NEED TO TURN BBPRESS INTO A PLUGIN, because it’s just a CSS issue ( + little PHP coding, nothing serious ) !

Connecting the Admin sides of WP and bbPress ? This can be easily done via an OPTIONAL plugin ( or via XML-RPC calls, so that you can handle your bbPress forum even if it isn’t in the same host ) .

Turning bbPress into a plugin would be a nightmare, think of all the unnecessary WP calls … Why did I choose bbPress again ? To have a light forum or to have TWO frameworks ( WordPress and bbPress ) + unnecessary calls and files ?

The reason I choose bbPress at the beginning ( 3~4 years ago ) is because it’s from the creators of WordPress, so I hoped that it will be as easy to customize as WordPress, and that’s what I got ( even though, at the beginning it was really hard for me because I had to guess the function names, as there’s no Codex for bbPress ) and I’m very satisfied . I had the choice between bbPress, PunBB and Vanilla ( the lightest forums out there, and at the time, Vanilla had a greater number of plugins than bbPress ), but I stick with bbPress because it’s the easiest one to customize . So for those who think that bbPress can’t compete in the light forums market, you’re wrong !

[chrishajer]

If you feel this is a problem with the bbPress core, please open a ticket at trac so the problem can be fixed.

https://trac.bbpress.org/

You can log in there with your wordpress.org login, or get one from wordpress.org if you need one.

[chrishajer]

I have no problem paying for themes (well, if it’s a GPL theme, you’re not really paying for the “theme” per se), although I don’t think I will for bbPress. @arpowers, what license is the theme offered under?

https://wordpress.org/development/2009/07/themes-are-gpl-too/

[Jim R]

I moved from an SMF forum, using SSI to distribute content through a handful of PHP pages. Making any theme changes was a nightmare. I was introduced to WordPress in the summer and loved it. I spent a month looking for a good forum that I obviously wanted integrated, but that was not easy. I found bbPress and was very disappointed it wasn’t more easily integrated. In fact, in the beginning, I couldn’t get it to work.

(side note) GerikG was one who helped me a lot, and the odd thing was I was doing everything properly, but as we troubleshot the issues, we found a simple mistake, there can’t be a www. in the URL’s. (/side noate)

I’m four months into WordPress, and I have switched forums twice. I came back to bbPress with the assumption it would eventually be more integrated with WP.

To me, someone who isn’t much on the coding side but understands it a little, the WP / bbPress integration isn’t an issue of whether it’s a plug-in or separate. It must be about these features right out of the box:

1) Unified login.

2) Theme / navigation integration

3) Post / Tag synchronization

4) Widget integration

As a code novice, I could never understand how these issues weren’t present out of the box. (Much the same as I don’t see how WPMU could be born separate from WP code.) It’s not like the people who designed these products are dumb, so maybe there was a reason for it that made sense to them, but as someone coming into it just never made sense.

Other things it should include, and to my understanding this would be inherent in any PHP based system, the ability to handle WP conditional and template tags. Admin integration would be nice as an option. In my case, I would use it. I know the plug-in makes it possible, but a simple setting would ask, “Would you like to use bbPress admin panel in your WP admin panel?” That would come with an obvious explanation of what bbPress is.

All of that said, without a strong opinion on plug-in vs. stand alone, if the above features are ready to go out of the box, I’m not sure why it couldn’t remain stand alone. But again, I’m a complete code novice.

I mean my gosh, with the PHP widget and Widget Context, I can do just about anything to my WP pages. It’s very nice. No reason bbPress can’t be that simple too….for users. (wink)

[scribu]

Read this (it’s for WordPress but it works just as well for bbPress):

http://www.devlounge.net/articles/reset-a-wordpress-password-from-phpmyadmin

[gerikg]

WordPress “auth” cookie salt, WordPress “secure auth” cookie salt , and WordPress “logged in” cookie salt should be NOT editable (it shows a picture of a lock next to it) if they are then you messed up on step # 3.

Here’s an image: http://s2.postimage.org/XgZt9.jpg

[alpacino85]

Thanks for all the reply’s

I have a question though, at step 5 what do you mean by “The last 3 should be LOCKED”

the last three fields should be locked?

couse in my screen i have the following fields beneeth “Blog address (URL)” field.

*WordPress “auth” cookie salt

This must match the value of the WordPress setting named “auth_salt” in your WordPress site. Look for the option labeled “auth_salt” in this WordPress admin page.

*WordPress “secure auth” cookie salt

This must match the value of the WordPress setting named “secure_auth_salt” in your WordPress site. Look for the option labeled “secure_auth_salt” in this WordPress admin page. Sometimes this value is not set in WordPress, in that case you can leave this setting blank as well.

*WordPress “logged in” cookie salt

Am i missing some steps ?

[gerikg]

Try installing this: https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/add-bbpress-default-role/

for wordpress -> bbpress

and

the wordpress integration option in BBpress should take care of the other.

[gerikg]

Also another problem is when you upgrade from an older version (wordpress/bbpress) the XX-config.php files are different than what you already have. Check wp-config.php against wp-config-sample.php & bb-config.php against bb-config-sample.php should be fairly simple.

[buddha-trance]

I would also prefer if bbPress and WordPress stay separate. That would make bbPress much more powerful.

What we need for new users is very clear instructions on how to integrate. The login cookies was the nightmare part when I first set it up, because of so many different threads and inconsistent advice on how to do it, so it became a trial and error thing, with a great loss of time. The same could be done with clear instructions on how to integrate a WP matching theme. If all the steps are defined clearly, and there is a codex like WP has, having bbPress as a standalone would allow for a lot more customization and expandability than if it were a plugin. Many would rather use certain plugins on WP, and others on bbPress, without bloating either one (and possibly avoid plugin conflicts between the two).