[buddha-trance]

@ipstenu – I see… if there is duplication with deep integration, then as a plugin it would be lighter. I was also under the impression that a decision in this direction has been taken already, looking at the IRC chat…

I’ll continue to use, and love, bbPress regardless (and already use WP), though I’d prefer that it stayed as a standalone, because I think it has more potential this way, and it continues to cater also to those who are not interested in having to run WP at the same time. It is fair that opinions against the plugin idea be expressed and that Automattic becomes aware of the reasons behind them. This will allow for a better final decision.

It could be that the plugin idea is an impulsive one, based on the long lapse suffered by bbPress, and lack of a “grand” vision for this platform… or maybe they know what they are doing and the direction to take is to create an extra feature for WP, rather than a separate platform. In the end, of course, it’s up to Automattic.

Obviously, the decision is based on the potential number of new users. And the numbers increase if the platform is easy to use (a one click deal) and it integrates seamlessly with the blog. Though a plugin would deliver all this, it would also take away from a different crowd and future potential, and maybe there is a compromise. Some solution offering the one click deal like BuddyPress, while at the same time being able to run as a standalone and cater to the non-WP users who just want a forum. I don’t know if that is technically possible to achieve.

If theme integration is the only reason for bbPress to become a plugin, maybe there are alternatives, like something similar to the embed plugin https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/embed-bbpress/, also mentioned in the IRC chat. One could build on that idea… and bbPress can be run as a standalone for those who choose to do so.

Maybe that is not the only reason, and the way things unfold will be (catered strictly to WP users + goodbye bbPress plugin developers and community):

WP(MUmerge) –> platform

BuddyPress –> plugin

bbPress –> plugin

[Maurice]

I’ve finally finished bbBlog 2.0. This plugin adds a blog page to you bbPress forum, using posts from a forum category, specified by you. (For those wanting to do some simple blogging without the WordPress installation hassle…)

You can download it here:

http://www.bbportal.org/bb-downloads/bb-blog2.0.zip

Demo:

http://www.bbportal.org/mssp/view.php?view=blog

Features:

– Total rewrite of the bbBlog plugin (1.0 compatible)

– Now a link to the blog is created under the “Views list” at the front-page (forum index)

– The blog items are now correctly filtering bold text, hyperlinks, smilies, etc (thanks _ck_)

– Comments() link now goes to the first comment made (thanks _ck_)

– You can now prevent members and guests to start blog posts (they can still reply)

– Now also showing topic tags

– Added sticky support: Topics marked as sticky now show on top on the blog page

– Admin display redesigned to match bbPress 1.0 admin area

– Blog post date uses the same Date Format as set in: Admin -> Settings -> General -> Date Format

– Now shows blog main category no subforums yet)

– Now pre-loads the selected (blog) forum in the dropdownlistbox in the admin area (thanks Ben L.)

To do:

– Set as start page, can be done by htcacces, how does WP do this?

– Generate a nicer error message when there are no topics in the blog like: “No blog started yet”

– Show some confirmation when settings are saved (this is broken in 1.0)

– Add pagination

– A “Read more” functionality. Show a Read more link after an amount of words set in the admin

– Add: You are not allowed to create new topics (like when locked topics)

– Sub category support (admin option?)

– Separate tags with commas

Enjoy!

ps: I am NO programmer, so don’t expect much support. Code suggestions and help (esp. with Read more and pagination) are welcome.

[daudev]

Still the same, logged in the wordpress, not logged in the bbpress but can do it.

only with define( ‘COOKIEPATH’, ‘/’ ); in the both files!

But i look very carefully into the cookies.

I found 2 differences!

First for wordpress cookies

login cookie is with name wordpress_logged_in_xxxxx and path /

and other cookies are with path /wp-admin, wp-content/plugins, /forum/bb-admin /forum/bb-plugins

and for the bbpress cookies are

wordpress_xxxxxxx and path /

and other cookies are with path

website.com/wp-admin

website.comwp-content/plugins

website.com/forum/bb-admin

website.com/forum/bb-plugins

I think this is the problem, but I don’t knew how to fix it, to have path without the host in bbpress cookies…

[grassrootspa]

If I had to rank them:

1) WYSYWYG / rich editing (tie!)

1) Facebook Connect (tie!)

3) Integration with WordPress (that login cookie thing really needs to be fixed)

The rest: interesting but the above 3=LOVE

4) Anonymous posting

5) Private messaging

6) Embed support, like videos

7) Email notification

Keyboard navigation

OMG, it would be awesome if ‘FB Connect’ was introduced into 1.1. This would mean it would only be a matter of time before ‘IntenseDebate Connect’! WOO HOO!

@ Olympus: I bet FB connect was a second or third choice for many folks

[Matt Mullenweg]

Just because there’s a plugin for something doesn’t mean it couldn’t be better integrated into core, in fact almost every feature in WordPress existed as a plugin first, the most recent example being the update system.

[chrishajer]

You have to log in there with a wordpress.org account, then you have some additional options. I’m not certain I see a way to create an account there, so create one at wordpress.org and then click “login” https://trac.bbpress.org/login – once that’s done, you will have the option to create a new ticket https://trac.bbpress.org/newticket

[chrishajer]

You have to log in there with a wordpress.org account, then you have some additional options. I’m not certain I see a way to create an account there, so create one at wordpress.org and then click “login” https://trac.bbpress.org/login – once that’s done, you will have the option to create a new ticket https://trac.bbpress.org/newticket

[gerikg]

casemon, I also installed this https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/user-roles-table-for-bbpress/ maybe they work together??

[Nuul]

Indeed, the poll is a joke, they already have decided to work on WordPress integration OR Matt didn’t do his homework and check if any plugin existed first and just copied the results into a poll.

I guess people are too lazy to check if there is a plugin or don’t understand the way bbPress is set up: as small and less feature rich as possible, giving you the option to customize it anyway you like (through plugins etc)…. Would be a shame if that idea disappeared…

[gerikg]

I don’t think there should be a focus on things that can be already achieved by plugins.

Facebook Connect – There is no plugins

WYSYWYG / rich editing – There is a tinymce but I think _CK_ said it was far from being tiny (file size wise)

Anonymous posting – There is a plugin

Email notification – There is a plugin

Keyboard navigation – There is a no plugin, I believe

Embed support, like videos – There is a plugin but it doesn’t work for me.

Importers from other systems – There is a no plugin

Private messaging – There is a plugin

Integration with WordPress – There is a way to do it, not so easy.

Attachments – There is a plugin

[gerikg]

daudev if you are NOT using WPMU then you shouldn’t have so many lines.

delete what you pasted and follow these instructions

6 Login to your wordpress dashboard. Go to Plugins->Add New-> search for “bbPress Integration” it should be the first one. Install it and activate.

7 Go to Settings-> bbPress Integration. Enter the bbPress URL without the www. Your plugins URL leave blank. Click on Save Changes. On the bottom box you’ll see some text copy it. Most likely it will say “define( ‘COOKIEPATH’, ‘/’ );”

There should be only ONE line in both files. Make sure you have the correct checkbox that says wordpress not wordpressmu

[Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)]

I’m assuming (based on Matt’s leanings) that he would like it to be a plugin and accepting that as probably the way it’ll go. A gross assumption, but the chat sounded rather pro-plugin to me. Could be wrong!

There’s no need for deep integration either : you just make bbPress work with the WordPress stylesheet .

Which is what I did, but it begs the question: Why?

If BuddyPress can make it work with one (two) clicks to integrate login and theme, why can’t WordPress and bbPress? Integration means I don’t have to edit two places if I want to modify my theme which, with a superficially ‘integrated’ WP, BB, Wiki and gallery, is much nicer! One less thing to do!

Some people also invested a lot in bbPress ( energy or money ), and trusted the bbPress team, so why make this big and unexpected change to bbPress ?

… I don’t see what that has to do with the price of rice. We’ve all invested time and money in bbPress, WordPress and a hundred other free, open-source applications. If bbPress ‘belongs’ to Akismet, then it’s their right to make the changes they feel would make the software more supportable and usable. They don’t have to ask us anything, but there they are, being good peoples, asking our feelings on the matter. They’re well within their rights to say we’re all fools and do what they want.

And bbPress is GPL open source, so unless I’m mistaken, you can port it to your own forum app. As long as you stay in the GPL too.

[Olympus]

There’s no need for deep integration either : you just make bbPress work with the WordPress stylesheet .

@zambrovski : the widgets support can be done using hooks, which are already supported by bbPress . So the UI side ( adding “widgets” from the admin area for example ) is the only thing needed here .

And no @ipstenu, no decision is taken now as I can see in the IRC discussion, the plugin thing was just an idea that we have to discuss, not a final decision . And because I’m worried about the future of bbPress ( which I’m planning to use for a future medium size project ), it is my right to say no !

Some people also invested a lot in bbPress ( energy or money ), and trusted the bbPress team, so why make this big and unexpected change to bbPress ?

[Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)]

Also, with deep integration, the theme works instantly, except that it seems to be discouraged in the installation instructions because of the heavier load. But if bbPress turns into a plugin, wouldn’t the end result (and load) be the same as in deep integration?

Yes and no. As it is now, deep integration with standalone bbPress duplicates many functions included in WordPress. The load gets larger becuase you’re doing the same thing multiple ways, multiple times.

If bbPress was a plugin, one would presume that instead of duplicating WP functions, it would instead utilize them.

Mind you, I’m neither pro-nor-anti plugin, I’m just accepting that was the decision, and wanting to make the move the easiest Same as the whole WP -> WPMU eventuality. It’ll happen, regardless of my opinion, it can be made to work, so let’s make it work! (tm Tim Gunn).

[brianvb]

Is there any possibility’s because i just want to make a board integrated in a wordpress page, or is there any other way?

[daudev]

We have progress, now I can login in wordpress and after that in bbpress and to be active logged in the two sites, but I’m not automaticaly in bbpress, when I login into wordpress

[Casemon]

Ironically, the plugin did not work for me.

Not sure why… hmmm.

[zambrovski]

I’m new to bbpress. In fact I’m on my first installation and I like to see the development.

I think the way the systems are now is good. They should remain separated. In the same time, it makes sence to develop exactly two plugins for the integration: one for WordPress and one for BBPress. The existence of many plugins for the “integration” (SSO, funcational/feature, admin) makes it confusing.

The most important thing missing is API documentation and Theme-Zoo.

Functional features I miss would be:

– wigdet support

– appearance management / editor (see WP)

[daudev]

gerikg unfortunately i’m using wordpress not MU!

[gerikg]

oh always clear your cache after messing with the config files.

[chrishajer]

I wouldn’t say Thesis Theme and DIY Themes “don’t have any issues”:

http://twitter.com/photomatt/statuses/1655636297

I’m not here to defend or even discuss the GPL or Automattic or Thesis theme. Just asking what license it is. I have no problem paying for someone’s hard work. I’m continually amazed at the amount of work people give away for free with regard to bbPress and WordPress.

[gerikg]

daudev I’m assuming you’re using WPMU

wp-config.php

$wp->cookiedomain = ‘.website.com’; *DELETE*

$wp->cookiepath = ‘/’; *DELETE*

$wp->sitecookiepath = ‘/’; *DELETE*

define( ‘COOKIEHASH’, ‘xxx’);

define(‘COOKIE_DOMAIN’, ‘.website.com’);

define(‘COOKIEPATH’,’/’);

define(‘SITECOOKIEPATH’, ‘/’);

bb-config.php

$bb->cookiedomain = ‘.website.com’; *DELETE*

$bb->cookiepath = ‘/’; *DELETE*

$bb->sitecookiepath = ‘/’; *DELETE*

define(‘COOKIE_DOMAIN’, ‘.website.com’);

define(‘COOKIEPATH’,’/’);

define(‘SITECOOKIEPATH’, ‘/’); *ADD*

[daudev]

Still the same here, but i found something else.

I have two sets of identical cookies, but there is one difference

I have domain .website.com in the one

and host website.com in the other, but i don’t knew why…

in my wp-confing.php

$wp->cookiedomain = ‘.website.com’;

$wp->cookiepath = ‘/’;

$wp->sitecookiepath = ‘/’;

define( ‘COOKIEHASH’, ‘xxx’);

define(‘COOKIE_DOMAIN’, ‘.website.com’);

define(‘COOKIEPATH’,’/’);

define(‘SITECOOKIEPATH’, ‘/’);

and in bb-config.php

$bb->cookiedomain = ‘.website.com’;

$bb->cookiepath = ‘/’;

$bb->sitecookiepath = ‘/’;

define(‘COOKIE_DOMAIN’, ‘.website.com’);

define(‘COOKIEPATH’,’/’);

do you have any ideas?

[Casemon]

Thanks for this.

I wonder, is there a non-plugin solution? Hate to load up plugins for something that should be automagic.

[grassrootspa]

I’m lost. In WordPress one can delete posts. This makes very little sense.