[chrishajer]

What do you want to track about users posts? What sort of tracking?

And what type of content do you want users to be able to upload? I know of ways to embed video, embed images (both those are hosted somewhere else) and then there is bb Attachments to allow people to actually upload content onto your server. it was incompatible with 1.0 (the latest version) but I think that’s been fixed now.

http://gaut.am/2010/01/bb-attachments-plugin-fixed/

[arpowers]

Not sure about BuddyPress yet, we haven’t tested it.

Haven’t quite decided if BuddyPress is something we should think about in our devel0pment. (how widely used is it?)

[kevinjohngallagher]

I’m really confused. I’ve read the IRC chat meetings (not sure why it took 13 days to post them but anyway), and I have to say that I’m really confused.

Right off the bat I hold my hands up to very little development outside of customising WordPress and writing BBpress plugins in the last 2 years, so this is all from a Project Management / BA perspective.

• Your 3 biggest tags from posts are: WordPress, Integration, Plugin.
• Every week, you have more posts on WordPress integrations thatn any other single topic.
• You advertise as one of your key features “wordpress integration”.
• You hold a poll to see what features people want, “wordpress integration” tops it. Infact it wins with 50% of the votes, or 520% more votes than its nearest competitor.

Now, seems to me, that the top priority in terms of new features, documentation and communication should be fairly obvious.

[21:28 GMT] <photomatt> 1. bug fixes

[21:29 GMT] <photomatt> 2. email notification

[21:29 GMT] <photomatt> 3. anon comments from filosofo

And obviously that’s… Email notifications? No… wait… Anonymous Comments?

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From a Project Management standpoint, here’s the problem:

• BBpress0.9 has both of these features as working plugins. But it cant integrate with WordPress.
• BBpress1.0.2 doesn’t have these features, but can integate with WordPress. (Can anyone confirm that 1.0.2 integrates with 2.9.1 out of the box? – I can’t get it to work)
• So now we’re working on BBpress1.1 which will have these 2 very important features working but may or may not integrate with WordPress.

If BBpress 1.1 doesn’t integrate with WP2.9.1 (or the latest point release at the time of BBpress1.1’s release) or heaven forbid WordPress 3.0… then it’s exactly the same position as BBpress0.9 – just two years down the line and with less plugins working. We’ll have features we had 2 years ago and still not be able to integrate BBpress and WP. All we’ll have done is move 2 plugins into the core – and that’s really all we’ll have done in 2 years.

I’m not quite sure if this analogy fits across the world but in PMI terms (and I think Prince2 if you’re a European like myself) this is called “building a House on Sand”. Adding a turret aint going to help when the tide comes in (or a new version of WP is released).

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If I move this away from features a minute (as everyone wants different features and I want to make this an abstract point not a specific one).

When will BBpress1.1 be ready?

I’m not looking for an exact date, we all know that’s impossible for any project like this, but roughly when will it be ready – any good PM knows this.

If there’s no bugs, and email subscription is working, that leaves Anonymous Comments to convert, +testing + release etc. Either way, I’m sure Matt has a rough idea in his head about how long until 1.1, even if it’s a ballpark figure. (Matt, im not expecting you to give us even a rough date as people will only keep you to it, and that’s not the sort of pressure you need right now/at all).

So, when is WordPress 3.0 coming out? What is the likely-hood, given both WP and BBpress’ history, that any existing integration will no longer work with WP3.0? Would it be too pessimistic to think its at least 50/50 that it’ll break?Is it too optomistic to think its 100% likely to work first time?

If we take the best case scenario, that BBpress1.0.2 works seamlessly with WP2.8, WP2.9 & WP3.0 and that BBpress1.1 works seamlessly with WP2.9 & WP3.0 – what’s going to happen to BBpress once we hit 1.1? Matt’s the sole developer, and there’s no way he’s not going to be involved in some format in WP3.0 not to mention all the WordPress Camps and the usual stuff.

It either means that BBpress gets handed over to someone else (again), or there’s a large amount of time between BBpress 1.1 and BBpress1.2 as WP3.0 has to be developed and released in between them. Given that BBpress1.1 is effectively cosmetic (2 features with used to work now working again), are we seriously looking at over a year between releases with new functionality?

And that’s the best case scenario!

Even if BBpress 1.1 does integrate nicely with 2.9, what if it doesn’t integrate with WP3.0? Are we going to get a patch or a plugin for BBpress 1.1 to make it work with WP3.0 if it doesn’t integrate? Will BBpress integration be Matt’s priority once WP3.0 comes out, given that 1) heck its not a priority now and 2) the plan is to make BBpress a Canonical Plugin from 1.2(-ish) ?

[21:26 GMT] <photomatt> bbPress will definitely be a WP plugin

[21:26 GMT] <photomatt> but don’t want to change the data structure decision until 1.2-ish

No, if BBpress 1.02 or BBpress1.1 don’t integrate with WP2.9 or WP3.0 is Matt or Automattic (cos i’m not wanting to pin this on Matt the person) going to suddenly reverse its decision and make BBpress integration a company priority? Of course not, that makes no sense.

Realistically, its integrate it now, or accept it ain’t going to be integrated.

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This post looks rather doom and gloom, and I’m sorry for that, it’s not my intention. Here is my intention: Any Project Manager worth his/her salt would look at the above scenario with scepticism/fear/consider-quitting

Spending time developing software to hit a target that has 1) moved since first developed (WP2.7 -> WP2.9) and 2) will move again (WP2.9->WP3.0) soon after the software is released is, respectfully, lunacy.

This madness is then going to be compounded by rewriting the software in less than 6 months time? Then what is the upside/point of BBpress1.1?

The return of 2 features? The galvanising of the forum? BBpress has bloated in size since 0.9, moved away from what it was originally coded for, and lost useful functionality in the process. Going further down this path simply to rewrite it (mostly) as a WP plugin after 3.0 is out defies logic.

The only upside is if you can guarantee that BBpress1.1 can integrate with the latest version of WP and the release after that. Otherwise we’re developing software that has a shelf life of 3-4 months at most. Of course that can’t be guaranteed as WordPress Integration isn’t being worked into BBpress1.1.

If WP3.0 is being worked upon just now, if its in the early Project Management / Scoping stages, why isn’t the idea mooted that BBpress be reworked now as a Canonical Plugin?

The people that use BBpress now, for the most part, aren’t going anywhere. If we’re here now, we’re locked in to its current form – and we’ve already had to accept that keeping our system secure by keeping up to date with WP is not going to happen, we’ve accepted the last 6 months-ish of no updates.

BBpress’s major setback has been the fact that it’s on a different release cycle to WordPress and that integration has never been easy, simple, straightforward and infact that integration documentation has never been written.

By developing BBpress1.1 independent of WP3.0, we confine ourselves to a project that promotes itself with one major selling point that it doesn’t live up to; not to mention waste development time and turn people away from the project.

The BBpress project is/”was 6 weeks ago” at its lowest point, development had stalled for 6 months, the developer had quit, moderators had quit, plugin developers had quit, integration doesn’t work, plugins don’t work, information on the website is hideously wrong/out of date/wrong/misleading/wrong, the documentation website is now a porn links website etc etc etc.

From a PM/BA point of view, that’s the perfect time to start scoping and moulding the software to where you want to take it.

Hold up your hands and say “sorry its gotten like this, we dropped the ball, lets do this in a way we wanted to”. Don’t be tied into the same mistakes by chasing the dragon of “just one more release then we’ll fix integration”.

If you want BBpress to be a WP plugin, now is the time to develop for that. Take the code that works and run with it, don’t let history repeat itself with the idea of adding more and more to paper over the cracks – when WP updates or Plugins don’t work those cracks are very obvious.

<br />

WP:---2.3

2.5

2.6

2.7

2.8

2.9

3.0?

<br />

BB:

0.9

1.0a

1.0

1.1?

1.2?<br />

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it – George Santayana

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Matt,

please please please read your own blogs: Setting Scope

What’s our proposal? We take a page from the world of project management and we make a project plan before we jump into the dev cycle.

As an open source project, we accomplish more when we work together than we do following individual agendas, and we need to keep our project focused on commonly-agreed-upon goals instead of following tangents…

Surely, as i stated at the start, the commonly agreed goal is WordPress Integration:

• Your 3 biggest tags from posts are: WordPress, Integration, Plugin.
• Every week, you have more posts on WordPress integrations thatn any other single topic.
• You advertise as one of your key features “wordpress integration”.
• You hold a poll to see what features people want, “wordpress integration” tops it. Infact it wins with 50% of the votes, or 520% more votes than its nearest competitor.

While “instead of following tangents whenever a community member starts to take us on one, regardless of whether it’s to follow a cool idea that everyone loves” is:

• email notification
• Anonymous Posting

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Thank you all for reading, i know its not a short post,

Take care.

[r-a-y]

Sorry to bump an old topic, but I just wrote a writeup on the BuddyPress forums detailing how to hide BuddyPress group forums on an external bbPress install:

https://buddypress.org/forums/topic/how-to-hide-bbpress-forums-from-users-while-allowing-forums-in-buddypress-groups#post-33582

This addresses anandasama’s problem.

[citizenkeith]

Hello folks,

It’s my hope that this thread can help move bbPress Plugin development forward. I’m not a programmer but I use bbPress for two different sites. One site is running v0.9.0.6 and the other is running v1.0.2.

I am considering upgrading my 0.9 forum to 1.0.2, since development is beginning to move forward, and some plugins are getting updated. Before making that decision, I decided to go through all the plugins I currently use in 0.9 and see if they have been updated, or in the very least, tweaked by current users. My method for checking this was to read through all the plugin threads for comments or tweaks, and to test some in my 1.0.2 forum.

I broke my list down to five separate lists:

1) Plugins that work

2) Plugins that work, with some bugs (according to some users)

3) Plugins that don’t work

4) Plugins that work with tweaks/changes

5) Plugins that may or may not work (conflicting info in threads, no comments since v1.x was released, etc)

I will only post lists 2-5.

I welcome your comments. If you have specific comments or tweaks, please post them in the that plugin’s thread (see links below).

Not working:

Move It

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/48

Works with bugs:

bbVideo

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/bbvideo/

Members Online

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/members-online/

Not sure if it works:

BBcode Lite for bbPress

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/bbcode-lite/

bb Topic Views

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/bb-topic-views/

BBcode Buttons Toolbar

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/bbcode-buttons/

Topics Per Page (a.k.a. Front Page Topics)

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/front-page-topics/

New User Notification

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/new-user-notification/

Post Count Plus

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/post-count-plus

Unread Posts

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/unread-posts/

Works with additional fixes in plugin thread:

Admin add user

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/admin-add-user/

Approve User Registration

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/approve-user-registration/

bbPress Attachments

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/bb-attachments

Plugin Browser for bbPress:

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/plugin-browser-for-bbpress/

[chrishajer]

For question two there is a plugin for that:

https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/post-notification/

Also, subscribe to topic is coming. It’s already in the latest development release.

[nerieru]

@chris, I think that’s still faaaaaaaaaar off tbh, and I do hope he reconsiders as well. As a plugin would be bloody slow compared to dedicated software. My honest opinion is it should be 2, standalone and there should be a plugin to make that standalone integrated with wordpress! So people will have a choice. Personally I think this is one of the fastest/most secure forum software out there. It would be as silly as making a wp plugin for bbpress. They should be separate and linkable through plugins. (1 at the wp side, 1 at the bbpress side)

@HSeatSleeper, I hope you will still continue this, because even if it’s gonna happen it’ll still take a long time till it reaches the stage of WP plugin. Your theme could still be used for the standalone version, even if it becomes obsolete.

[fairytalehot]

Thank you everybody. I was able to fix everything by creating a different database and just uploading bbpress again. That turned out to be the fastest and the easiest way to fix evrything.

[Fernando Tellado]

It could be a huge list, but here you have my own … I use in my forums: http://ayudawordpress.com/foro/

– Adsense for bbpress

– Allow images

– bbPress notifications http://www.la-school.com/2006/bbpress-notification/

– bbcode buttons toolbar

– bbPM

– bbpress seo tools (recomended v1.0.1 not last that have some errors

– bbVideo

– bbPolls

– support forums

– hidden forums

– members online (the widget in the sidebar that shows … that thing)

– unread posts

– karma for bbpress

– simple onlinelist

– social it

– subscribe to topic (awesome)

– human test

– topic views

All working in bbPress 1.0.2

[kevinjohngallagher]

Since BBpress 0.9’s release almost 2 years ago, we’ve had 5 different WordPress releases. My question here is, which versions of BBpress work with which versions of WordPress?

We dont mention it anywhere (crazy), and far too often the phrase “latest version of bbpress/wordpress” is used in the forum. I know we cant have documentation or change the static pages on this website, or post an HTML table in these forums, so I apologise for the long list:

BBpress 0.9.0.6

– with WP2.4

– – – plug and play:

– – – with a plugin:

– – – with hacks:

– – – works for some people:

– with WP2.5

– – – plug and play:

– – – with a plugin:

– – – with hacks:

– – – works for some people:

– with WP2.6

– – – plug and play:

– – – with a plugin:

– – – with hacks:

– – – works for some people:

– with WP2.7

– – – plug and play:

– – – with a plugin:

– – – with hacks:

– – – works for some people:

– with WP2.8

– – – plug and play:

– – – with a plugin:

– – – with hacks:

– – – works for some people:

– with WP2.9

– – – plug and play:

– – – with a plugin:

– – – with hacks:

– – – works for some people:

BBpress 1.0.2

– with WP2.4

– – – plug and play:

– – – with a plugin:

– – – with hacks:

– – – works for some people:

– with WP2.5

– – – plug and play:

– – – with a plugin:

– – – with hacks:

– – – works for some people:

– with WP2.6

– – – plug and play:

– – – with a plugin:

– – – with hacks:

– – – works for some people:

– with WP2.7

– – – plug and play:

– – – with a plugin:

– – – with hacks:

– – – works for some people:

– with WP2.8

– – – plug and play:

– – – with a plugin:

– – – with hacks:

– – – works for some people:

– with WP2.9

– – – plug and play:

– – – with a plugin:

– – – with hacks:

– – – works for some people:

[chrishajer]

There used to be a way to make any topic you created a favorite of yours, then you could ask for email notification for all favorites, which meant you’d get an email whenever someone replied to a topic you created (since it was a favorite of yours.) The plugin that did that was pretty old, for prior to 0.9 I believe. I imagine you’re using the latest 1.0.x release?

https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/post-notification/

particularly this comment for a really simple way of doing this, I think:

https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/post-notification/#post-451

Or maybe this one:

https://plugins-dev.bbpress.org/browser/auto-add-favorites/trunk/auto_add_favorites.php

It’s certainly possible, with a plugin.

[nickaster]

Howdy… yeah, latest version of bbpress – 1.0.2 Plugin deactivation does nothing to either old or new posts (posting with all deactivated still brings me the / problem).

[Raize]

Is there any way to pull new posts from wordpress blog and have them show up in bbPress as a thread with full text? Using RSS would be the best way to do this of course, but will it take some sort of hack or plugin?

I took a look at this plugin but it doesn’t have this functionality: http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/wordpress-latest-post/

[Michael]

I can’t actually see where the problem is – not that I can find a problem. Just tested your forum, and it seems to work okay.

[Matt Mullenweg]

We’ve been doing them every week at the same time, PeteMall was going to post the logs from the latest one.

[serpicolugnut]

I’m having a similiar problem. I’m using bbpress integrated with our WordPress site. On the front-page.php page, in the “Latest Discussions” I’m using this bit of code:

<?php bb_topic_labels(); ?> <a href="<?php topic_link(); ?>"><?php topic_title(); ?></a><?php topic_page_links(); ?> by <a href="/wedding-chat/profile/<?php topic_author(); ?>" ><?php topic_author(); ?></a>

Which gives me the users name, and a link to their profile page. The problem is that the link is using their username, which if the user has spaces or dashes, poses problems. I need to get the user_nicename or display_name value from that users record. How do I do this in bbPress? I’ve dug around, but I don’t see any information on the topic.

Thanks!

[cazhi]

wow! great!

[Casemon]

Anyone know how to do this? I’m getting the wrong menu items highlighted as current depending on which level of the forum I’m looking at.

Using latest WP & BBp with deep integration.

[djsteve]

@dailytalk – thanks for posting your real world experiences. I would like to ask that you also include the version of bbpress that you are using?

@all –

I am under the impression that most of the plugins do not work properly with the current version, so a fresh install today is even MUCH further away from the basic functionality of smforums, phpbb, vbulletin, etc.

A serious problem that plagues wordpress, bbpress, and I should mention similar projects including phpfox, is companies that develop new releases often leave lots of broken plugins and themes – most users get so frustrated not knowing to upgrade and lose functionality – or stay downgraded and have possible security issues. This is a major problem that has me admiring the way vbulletin posts whether or not plugins / extensions will be supported by the core company.

The main thing that keeps me using bbpress in a few sites is the price, along with the glimmer of hope that since it is integrated into buddypress. Certainly at some point there will be functioning photo, attachment, moderation and other functions, that the WP / BP /BB community will have to have – even if new versions of one break the other. – Unfortunately it’s tough to hold one’s breath with these projects, and seeing the nightmares of bugs, lost functionality, and the time it takes to get back to square 2 after one of the other projects has been upgraded to square three – it’s devastating.

I for one would love to see image and file attachments, along with something like tinymce incorporated into the core of BBpress – but even if they are not, I would like to see important plugins like these and moderation, etc, all be maintained and tested and upgraded along with any new releases by the bbpress developers.

[chrishajer]

The svn is just short for “subversion” which is version control software you can use for checking out code. It’s still a bbpress.org domain: it’s perfectly safe. Just a subdomain.

[Michael]

The link Ben provided works perfectly. If you get an error (404 not found) then try again. The file exists.

[cazhi]

Is there another link to download this? Is SVN the safest provider?

[Milan Dinić]

Instead of loading zlib via .htaccess, you should use Apache’s built-in module mod_deflate because it is better for server’s performance. By using code below, you will compress all textual content from your site (html, css, javascript, rss). Simply remove type you don’t want to compress from list and it won’t compress after that. Note that you shouldn’t add any more types because other file types can’t be compressed this way.

Just copy/paste this code in your .htaccess file in root of web site. You can use this on ANY kind of website, no matter if it is powered by bbPress or not. Just watch-out that some script you use doesn’t already compress some type, because it will than double compress which will be worse than using uncompressed type.

Also note that on some bad configured servers this can make additional load on servers so be careful (this applies to zlib comrpession too).

<IfModule mod_deflate.c>

AddOutputFilterByType DEFLATE text/html text/plain text/xml text/css application/javascript application/x-javascript application/x-httpd-php application/rss+xml application/atom_xml

</IfModule>

You can test your site before and after with tools like WebPagetest (just click on images on result’s page for detailed information) and Web Page Analyzer. And share your results here.

what do you think about hosting ga.js locally and keeping it up to date?

You shouldn’t store popular JavaScript files (like from Google Analytics, AdSense, StatCounter etc) on your server because they are probably in visitors’ cache so he will not even load that files while visiting your site.

This is because most sites nowadays use Google Analytics and when man without that file in cache visits page that use it, that file is saved in it’s cache for seven days (because Google gives information to browser in file’s HTTP headers) and it is not loaded again until it expires from cache.

[tonicarr]

Hi Chris,

Thanks for jumping in, are you / twitter link telling me that BuddyPress is now available for WordPress single? Would I just download the latest version of BuddyPress even if it is MU? Is this it? https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/buddypress/

Thanks for clarifying _ck_ is a female. So am I!

Toni

[chrishajer]

tonicarr, have you seen this re: WordPress single and BuddyPress?

Single WordPress support in BuddyPress trunk is already quite stable. Who's tried the latest? #wordpress #buddypress

— Andy Peatling (@apeatling) January 1, 2010

Single WordPress support in BuddyPress trunk is already quite stable. Who’s tried the latest?

Also, _ck_ is female.