[saraw]

I’m having the same problem with my custom template; I’m using a recent install of bbPress 1.0.2, and have uploaded my theme to the my-templates directory (I tried it in the bb-templates directory too, as a test) and have checked the directory structure to make sure that’s ok, my style.css header is correct, my permissions seem to be correct (755 on all folders/sub-folders, 644 on all files), there is no mod_security going on with my host… and yet, my theme does not appear in the “appearance” panel of the admin.

Are there any other details I should check? I need to get this sorted or my client will be unhappy.

Thanks –

Sara

[Gautam Gupta]

Because your server would be having the latest version of PHP.

[Gautam Gupta]

Just an update on what’s going on Trac – bbPress 1.0.3 milestone has 3 tickets left (all the tickets have patches and 1 depends on a BackPress ticket), while 1.1 milestone has 4 tickets left (2 have patches, and 2 need patches). There’s also another BackPress ticket that needs to be fixed (which also has a patch). That means that bbPress 1.1 is very near to its release!

How can you help?

1. Checkout a copy of bbPress trunk version via SVN and test it.
2. Test the patches of the open tickets.
3. Contribute patches to the tickets which don’t have one.

What’s new in bbPress 1.1?

1. Email subscriptions
2. Loginless posting
3. Better administration of posts and topics
4. Better search and statistics
5. Bug fixes. Some critical ones are – #1261 (RSS feeds errors), #1146 (faster recount functions), #1150 (undelete topic error).
6. Better tags administration (if #1243 goes in)

Some tickets that missed 1.1 milestone are #960 (better user administration) and #1277 (kakumei cleanup) even though they had patches but could cause errors as they were huge changes and needed more testing. They might get into 1.2 though.

Cross Posted Here on the bbdevel blog – http://bbdevel.wordpress.com/2010/06/22/bbpress-1-point-1-maybe-soon/

[Ashish Kumar (Ashfame)]

This site is running 2441 at the moment and the latest changeset is 2442 at the time of writing this post.

[kevinjohngallagher]

You’re not an idiot mate, but this is where bbPress starts to struggle a bit – especially with no documentation.

You want to make a call to the Database directly via SQL (SQLECT * FROM blah blah blah), but thre is no quick fix. You can use the $bbdb class to connect to the database.

If your’e still struggling, do a hunt for $bbdb with here on google. Remember that search on this site su… has many inbuilt features that are not bugs

[shsn]

Not to sound like an idiot, but how would I do that? Any simple way?

thanks in advance

[kevinjohngallagher]

Anybody? Nobody?

venividi,

you give us less than 24 hours to answer.

WordPress3.0’s been out for about 2-3 days, and you’re talking about something not working that has never been supported.

Automattic made no effort to make sure things were cool with bbPress before releasing so we’re all going to have to wait until we get more reports in.

Lets not forget that a large number of people wait until the first (if not second) bug fix release is made availible before chaning over.

Patience is needed my friend, just don’t push untested just release software onto a live enviroment and you’ll be fine – and we know you didn’t do that because that would be so silly ;-]

[kevinjohngallagher]

Yeah, basically the global variable you’re using $forum/$topic/$posts etc. have been codedin such a way that they can only be iterated trhough once.

You’ll need ot make a separat SQL/data call for each bit of info that you need.

[shsn]

I have made a second latest discussion panel (in the header of my design), but it is an exact replica of the other latest discussion panel found in the front page. So if I want my new panel to have only 5 latest discussions, I have to also limit the original latest discussion to also have 5 latest discussions via the admin section of the website in the settings page. Also when I click on the next page of the latest discussions, my new panel also shows the next page, instead of showing a constant number of latest topics.

Any ideas on how to fix this?

thank in advance

[kevinjohngallagher]

Gautam,

This won’t be a short post, but I truly wish for you to know this comes from a place of respect and admiration for both your code and your commitment to bbPress and it’s community.

Please, let us focus on what we need to get the next release finished.

We simply cannot fix everything.

We have to prioritise.

Matt, who is the project lead, did the prioritising for us.

• Critical Bug fixes
• Email notifications
• Anonymous posting.

That’s it. Once those are ready, we release.

Matt himself said that the focus should not be on bugs, but on the 2 new features and critical only bugs.

It’s not for me to tell you, nor even ask, what you should be working on; but please allow me to help you. As a developer, and someone who loves this project, you are trying your best to solve as many problems as possible. It is so admirable, and we all appreciate your efforts. But in the long run, you are only going to slow us down. How?

Bugs.

When a developer writes code, especially large pieces of code, there are bugs. It is the nature of the beast. We have very very few testers, very very few people who download the latest trunk version to test. The chances of us catching anything but the most obvious of bugs are slim.

Take the new default Kakumei theme you’ve included. While I’m in total agreement that the default theme needs changing, this is not the way forward. You’ve changed about 400 lines of code, and there will be bugs. Given that a new Kakumei theme isn’t part of the feature list, those bugs are going to count against us, not be a positive.

You’re giving theme developers slighty more tools to work with, but all you’re giving the average user and the new users is an untested theme that looks like the old one (which looks crap still).

Regardless of how awesome your code is, and it looks brilliant, the best we can hope for with it is that it doesn’t go badly. If it works flawlessly, no-one will notice. There is no winning scenario here. No part of releasing a new theme in 1.1 will be beneficial, especially as it looks identical to the old one.

Sadly the same can be said for your efforts to totally rewrite the entire tag system. I’ve absolutely no doubt, 100%, that your code and functionality would be amazing. But right now, it works. Same for your Mass Delete / User handling functionality. etc etc

There comes a time when Less is More.

Less code changes means less new bugs, means less “OMG it’s taken a year to come out and it’s still terrible” posts. Less code means less to test, it might mean more bugs are caught, it means less bugs released. Less code means we can release quicker. Less code means less testing time.

Realistically, we have only 2 bugs in 1.0.3 ( #1228, #1276 ) and 2 bugs in 1.1 ( #1244, #1268 ) that are stopping us from releasing this thing to alpha for testing. Thats great work, even if #1244 looks like it will be a lot of work.

The other bugs (#538, #1183, #1277, #1243 ) are all “nice to haves”, and yet somehow contain about 800-1000 lines of code with changes. There has to be some form of Risk Assesment here bro. 1000 lines of code changed with no functionality to forum users, but instead increases the chances of bugs?? Risky, very risky.

Look, BackPress might never include the fix we need to get this thing working, so lets focus on the outstanding bugs that are blocking us, and lets worry about the others after. Because lets be honest, if we’re building a new theme for bbPress, it’s should look nothing like KAKumei (emphasis on KAK)

[kevinjohngallagher]

The “subscribe to topic” link is on the left hand side, above Tags.

It just doesn’t work. One of the joys of releasing a broken untested theme.

[kevinjohngallagher]

No question is dumb mate, though the idea of testing your users to get 9/10 questions right before allowing them to talk on a forum might be very close to it

It’s just a SQL call.

You can store the information you need in the “_meta” table.

Basically don’t think about it as a bbPress plugin, just code the PHP as you would if it was a website you’d built yourself.

[kevinjohngallagher]

Seems valid mate, or you could not bother with the role chaning bit, and just test for a meta_key/meta_value pair in the database.

[kevinjohngallagher]

Rootside ::

Has anyone considered the possiblity that Matt is keeping his eyes peeled on the current efforts of some people trying to use nothing but WordPress’ core functions to build a simple forum?

He might be mate, but probably not, as doing so isn’t that difficult at all. I creted a “theme” for WordPress that made it look/work like a forum in essence back in 2008. The same time I made and released the phpBB theme for bbPress. Both were availible on the bbProgress website (which closed last year but there should still be some links on t’internet).

And Justin’s coding one based on the new Custom Post features, which will work alot better than mine did (he actually build one last year too, but had a hard drive crash and lost it).

Basically though, a blog and a forum are different in their “n to n” nature. WordPress relies on a huge amount of caching to try and keep it’s memory intake down, and a customised caching mechanism is essential once you hit any form of modernday traffic. That sort of feature works well on “1 to many” software, but a forum is different. It has to call data differently, and handle multiple parent/child relationships.

Rootside ::

I’m guessing that any WP plugin which makes that kind of thing easy to set up and enhances its functionality would be really lightweight.

No, no way mate The opposite.

I understand the desire to make a WP plugin that is a forum, I can see Matt’s viewpoint on that, but in comparison to bbPress as it stands, it’ll be far from lightweight.

Not only will it struggle with the caching that WP relies on, but you’ll have all the overhead of loading everything in WordPress before hitting any actual forum content (including the WordPress admin sections and plugins).

It’s basically going to be very similar to the BuddyPress “bbPress” plugin, as thats a hacked/stripped version of bbpress1.0 (in general terms it removed BackPress and rewrote the function calls to call WP/buddyPress functions directly). But in order to get it to work, every page has to load WordPress then BuddyPress then bbPress forum module.

Lightweight it ain’t!

Even if the very clever people that work at Automattic and contribute to the community manage to pull a great number of rabits out of hats, there is no way that it will be anything but bloated.

But you know, 90% of folks won’t care. Take Marius (poster above me), he runs a forum about Michael Jackson with aboot 100+ users and maybe 50 topics started a week. He’s not that uncommon to alot of the folks that pass through here (other than that he is allergic to manners). They won’t care in the slightest about the small hit as the chances of them noticing it are going to be slim, and they get access to all the good stuff that comes with WordPress, heck for the most part they’ll get the stuff they think they should from bbPress/Wordpress integration now. For a percentage of people, there will be no downside, even if it’s far from lightweight.

I realise that software moves on, and I realise that as it grows there will be some bloat. Thats the reality of where we are, and WordPress does a really great job of being quick despire it’s bloat. But the sheer difference between a bbP0.9/WP2.5 deeply integrated forum (which has MORE features than we have now) and a bbP1/WP3 deeply integrated forum is unbelievable. Bloated, slower, more prone to errors and less features.

I see why Matt thinks things have to change, i don’t agree with the direction and thats cool, i don’t have to agree, nor does anyone

But really the history of this project has taught us one thing repeatedly: Heading in a direction without planning or a roadmap will definately lead us somewhere else, but we’ll be just as lost. Who knows though, 40 years later he may just lead us out of the desert

Hopefully on Matt’s way up to Montreal he’ll see a burning bush

[kevinjohngallagher]

I can answer that Chirs.

If you type in , you get a [code] HTML output.
If you type in a [backtick] you get a [code] wrapped in a [pre] tag (which is right so formatting is preserved as well).

The [pre] tag is the one that has the cool style on it.

#bborg-discussion #thread div.post pre {
background-color:#FFFFFF;
border:1px solid #EAEAEA;
display:block;
overflow:auto;
padding:10px;
width:528px;
}

Don’t you just LOVE this new untested theme with all these wonderful hacks?

[code], you get a HTML output.
If you type in a [backtick] you get a [code] wrapped in a [pre] tag (which is right so formatting is preserved as well).

The [pre] tag is the one that has the cool style on it.

#bborg-discussion #thread div.post pre {
background-color:#FFFFFF;
border:1px solid #EAEAEA;
display:block;
overflow:auto;
padding:10px;
width:528px;
}

Don’t you just LOVE this new untested theme with all these wonderful hacks?

[code] HTML output.

If you type in a [backtick] you get a wrapped in a [pre] tag (which is right so formatting is preserved as well).

The [pre] tag is the one that has the cool style on it.

#bborg-discussion #thread div.post pre {
background-color:#FFFFFF;
border:1px solid #EAEAEA;
display:block;
overflow:auto;
padding:10px;
width:528px;
}

Don’t you just LOVE this new untested theme with all these wonderful hacks?

[code] wrapped in a [pre] tag (which is right so formatting is preserved as well).

The [pre] tag is the one that has the cool style on it.

#bborg-discussion #thread div.post pre {

background-color:#FFFFFF;

border:1px solid #EAEAEA;

display:block;

overflow:auto;

padding:10px;

width:528px;

}

Don’t you just LOVE this new untested theme with all these wonderful hacks?

[chrishajer]

Wow, backticks in this post actually formatted the code sort of nicely (with a white box.)

TEST:

<?php

if (function_exists('phpinfo')) {

phpinfo();

}

?>

[johnhds]

Quite a few:

allow images 0.9

auto add favorites 1.0

avatar upload 0.8.3

bavatars 0.4.1

bbcode buttons toolbar 0.0.9

bbpress attachments 0.2.7

bbpress recent replies 0.1b

bbpress signatures 0.2.0

bb wysiwyg editor 1.2.0

custom rotating ads 0.1

google sitemaps 0.1

hot topic 0.0.1

human test for bbpress 0.9.2

image resizer 0.2

prvate forums 5.0

subscribe to topic 0.0.6

social it 1.5

terms of service 0.0.3

topic icons 0.0.5

user photo for bbpress 1.1

xili new post notification (xnpn) 0.9

Thanks

[kevinjohngallagher]

When I overwrite something, especially in bbPress, I ususally clear that was there before hand.

#front-page #hottags {

background: none;

border: none;

background-color: red;

border: 1px solid blue;

}

That way you don’t need to worry about things that are not implemented in all browsers. The more I work with charities and the more I test on different combinations of OS/Browsers and even mobile platforms, the more I code my CSS like it’s 2000 again. Amazing how it all still works and looks the same.

[kevinjohngallagher]

Hi Taeo!

Thanks for the link, but I feel that you’re way off base.

For those who can’t skip it, here’s the WPtavern recap:

http://www.wptavern.com/mattnote-from-wordcamp-san-francisco

[Matt] even admitted that right now, it would be better off to use another plugin rather than bbPress.

Can anyone explain to me how it was helpful of Matt to do that?

He’s not managing expectations, he’s merely degrading the work people are doing. Note, Matt’s not done this with ANY of his other projects on the go.

The bbPress community was a bit rough around the edges and the flame war that ensued forced Matt to break away for a bit.

First, I think this is quite insulting, but that aside, if Matt thought we were rough around the edges, why has there only been 1 moderator on the forums since July last year?

Anyway, I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. This is total and utter bull***. Matt is an awesome bloke, great on so many levels, but have a read at the “FLAME WAR” (haha). It’s here:

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/whats-happening-with-bbpress/page/5

Have you ever seen a nicer and more polite flame war in your life? In fact, don’t you feel (apart from 1 idiot) that this is a crazily civilised conversation??

Honestly, I think it’s a very fascinating read. Especially given that the main posters (the people who posted twice in reply to Matt’s posts) are the current Main Developer and the ONLY Moderator. And in my eyes, that’s the problem.

Matt realised that no-one agreed with him, he wasn’t weighing up arguements and helping solve a problem, he arranged weekly dev meets and IRC chats and disappeared without telling anyone for 4 weeks and came back with sweeping changes and wasn’t happy when people called him out on it.

I like to point this out every now and then:

http://ma.tt/2009/08/kill-your-community/

It’s written by some clever fellow who cares about communities on the internet and knows a thing or two about building great ones around open source software.

• Don’t Moderate.

  Make sure you only have 1 moderator on the forums. Make sure that everyone else with moderator or above status doesn’t visit the forums for a minimum of 6 months.

• Allow Spam Through.

  And make sure that a lot of legitamate posts are caught instead. Only have 1 moderator so that it can go days before real posts are displayed

• Don’t Participate in Comments.

  Less than 20 posts in 7 years? Matt.

  Less than 5 posts in the last 18 months? Trent

  Less than 5 posts in the last year? mdawaffe

  Sam. Would anyone say that Sam was a participant in these forums while he was the lead dev?

• Design Like NASCAR.

  Design’s a tricky/subjective thing. It is/was disappointing to rollout this theme with 30% of the pages not themed, and not tested on the fonts specified making the quite inreadable.

• Abandon Search Engines

  Anyone tried searching on bbPress?

• No Subscriptions

  Email subscriptions plugin was working with bbPress0.9 (and 0.8.3 as I recall, though I might be wrong). Either way, thats over 2 years folks.

• Make People Click Click Click.

  Have you ever tried to moderate your bbPress users?

  Don’t worry, Anonymous Posting is coming instead. WE’ve only had that as a plugin for 2.5 years. But you moderating your forum? Puh-lease. just you clicky click click.

• Treat Everyone the Same.

  1 moderator. Everyone else, regardless of what they do for the project is the same.

• Don’t Ask Anything of Your Audience.

  In fairness both Matt and Sam have had 1 poll each.

  They just abandoned the poll’s voting and reversed decisions at a later date – making the poll useless (actually, it’s kind of worse, it means they asked then ignored us).

I really detest forum posts that attack people personally. I often wonder/worry if my phrasing makes people feel like i’m having a go, when really I don’t mean to. This isn’t about Matt the person – he’s very cool, and I’ve alot of time and respect for him.

This is about the person at the top of the tree making decisions that someone else already pointed out to be a mistake. Those decisions/mistakes result in actions that “kill your community”. It just so happens that both of these people are Matt

[Rootside]

metaboy: Yes.

1. bbPress generally seems to work fine out of the box with 3.0, at least for me and a few others, so that’s looking good

2. I needed zaerl’s plugin for deep integration, ie using WordPress functions/template tags to pull in the WordPress header and footer. I’ve tested it further since, and haven’t encountered any problems.

In fact, only the registration of new users was ever a problem. I had WordPress 3.0 RC and bbPress running for a few days before I even encountered that issue.

[Rootside]

Haha, you absolute star. It works, I just installed and tested it. Thank you so much.

Btw, I think it’s missing the closing ?> declaration

Looks like something stupid is going on, doesn’t it. Do we know why this is happening? My PHP knowledge is just good enough to vaguely tell what’s doing what, but I never understand the bigger picture.

[Rootside]

Oh, thanks…

“Deep Integration” was never intended with bbPress sadly

I don’t know – of course I’d really like to have bbPress “deeply integrated”, and it’s particularly frustrating to see that everything seems to work except for the registration process (and some other, solvable little bits like title tag, current page body tag etc.).

But I would probably agree that deep bbPress integration shouldn’t be a priority for WordPress core development. In that respect, having bbPress as a standalone system that also works inside WordPress may simply be asking too much:

Look at other solutions – they’re either bloated or phenomenally ugly and near impossible to customise, or both. But I’ve tested several of them with WordPress 3.0 RC3, and they all get two things right straight away – integration and shared users, with just a few clicks.

They’re also all plugins…

For now, I’ll have to see if someone finds a way around this problem, or if I’ll have to replicate my WordPress theme for bbPress and leave deep integration alone. Stupid, really.

Then there’s also Justin Tadlock, who is building a forum using nothing but WordPress custom post types and custom taxonomies. Should be interesting to see how that pans out…

I’ll stick this on the WP boards – it seems WordPress 3.0 has been released just a few minutes ago, I’m pretty sure others will run into the same problem.

[Rootside]

Okay, bug hunting is hereby unsuccessfully terminated for the time being:

I installed WordPress 3.0 RC3 and bbPress 1.0.2 in a different subdomain on the same server, and everything works as it should:

I can register new accounts, they show up in WordPress without a role, but as soon as I’ve logged in and posted a reply, I’m mapped as a subscriber in WordPress.

Adding a new user in WordPress works as well, I can hop over to bbPress, log in with the details chosen in WordPress, and post as a member.

Now that I see it working on the same server, I must have made a mistake in the first installation, or it’s a crazy bug. I doubt it had to do with my custom theme, because I switched back to the defaults during testing. However, I’ve only tested the new installation with the defaults, I’ll be back here if anything goes weird…

I’m still slightly uneasy about this of course, because I usually find the bugs or errors, even if I can’t always (okay, rarely) solve or correct them myself. But given that bbPress is BY FAR the best solution for a simple forum on WordPress, I simply had to make it work. Non-intrusive custom themes and Akismet are just two reasons why bbPress is so far ahead of other WordPress integrated solutions; I’ve tested 4 alternatives over the last week or so – OMFG.

The only thing I can offer to others is to try again, following Sam Bauer’s screencast at https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/basic-integration-screencast

(with one addition: when bbPress asks for the cookie salts and you can’t find them on the admin page bbPress links to, copy them from wp-config.php)

[master5o1]

http://tartarus.co.nz/community/topic/welcome

Just look at this post and you will see what I mean. Not sure what’s the problem here. Wasn’t like this on my test server but since it’s gone live this has been the major problem

Quick help is desired.

[kimyang]

help !!!!!!!!

please see here: http://wordpressdevelop.com/poker/forums/

when i click the topic title, “kimyang’s test” for example, it will go to the home page.

how can i fix this problem ?

please help me .

Thanks

Kim