[_ck_]

Well every millisecond on the output does matter and the reasons you listed are very valid, but on heavily loaded servers, I have to believe the biggest weakness is the sheer number of files that have to seek and load. If they aren’t in the server’s file cache (dreamhost might have 1000 virtual hosts per node or more) that can cause long delays. Even if using an opcode cache, the cache still has to check the file date/size in the OS before it allows execution.

But even bbpress’s output template requires 3+ files to be included. SMF does it entirely differently in one single file.

I’ve built a prototype “fastload” plugin that concatinates two pools of files:

1. includes (except a few outside the general block in bb-settings)

2. all plugins

It actually works to some degree to speed things up on dreamhost when they are are at insane loads.

By reducing the number of files to seek from 40 to less than 10 the page load times are much better.

[ronchicago]

Maybe this has been addressed above, not sure. The install menu reminds me I am not in the WordPress directory and will need some code tweeking in order for cookies to match with WP, as well as, getting WP functions. To get the WP functions to work in bbPress, more tweeking is required. Is there any advantage to not putting bbPRess inside the directory?

Ultimately, I simply wish to have one WP blog address with a forum capability inside the WP blog.

Should I move bbPress inside the WP subdirectory? Or leave it as is and fine tune?

[Sam Bauers]

Here are a couple of other reasons why SMF might be faster.

* SMF doesn’t use php-gettext for translation, it uses an array of text that can be replaced. This method approaches the speed of a native gettext implementation.

* bbPress has a lot of functions to register.

* SMF has (auto-detecting) built in support for memcached, eAccelerator, MMCache, AlternativePHP Cache and the Zend Optimiser

* Most (all?) of SMF is written inside PHP, i.e. the HTML is in strings that are echoed out of PHP, this is slightly quicker than dropping in and out of PHP to output to the browser.

* Many bbPress plugins don’t need to load on every page, they could start with some sort of conditional that requests the current bbPress location and then just send a “return” when they aren’t required.

That’s all I can think of after a quick look.

[Heliotropen]

I am looking, for at decent theme, that is available for several platforms (bbpress + wordpress + mediawiki) – more specific 3 diffrent themes that look alike (or as alike as “possible”).

I have used mistylook before, but i am now using several subforums in the newest version of bbpress, and can’t get this to work with the “old” mistylook theme for bbpress.

Any advide, or direction, anything (how to fix the problem with mistyllok, or new theme) would be soooo appreciated

thnx in advance

/Dennis

[_ck_]

Ah, here’s SMF’s secret against bbPress – sheer number of files + size.

This definitely makes me want to go ahead with making a “quick loader” that will concat all the includes and then all the plugins as two blobs that can be either loaded from disk or mysql at user discretion based on the weakness of their shared server:

Front pages compared:

(keep in mind SMF actually has even more features than the dozen plugins loaded with bbPress, online user tracker, etc)

SMF 1.1.3

files for front page: 8 files, 338.45 Kb



index.php : 14.31 Kb

Settings.php : 3.71 Kb

Sources/QueryString.php : 18.84 Kb

Sources/Subs.php : 132.37 Kb

Sources/Errors.php : 15.94 Kb

Sources/Load.php : 92.47 Kb

Sources/Security.php : 29.88 Kb

Sources/MessageIndex.php : 30.93 Kb

=====================================================

`

bbPress 0.8.3 alpha

files for front page: 40 files, 437.15 Kb

index.php : 0.44 Kb

bb-load.php : 0.46 Kb

config.php : 2.28 Kb

bb-settings.php : 7.14 Kb

bb-includes/db-mysqli.php : 12.77 Kb

bb-includes/functions.php : 71.73 Kb

bb-includes/wp-classes.php : 3.37 Kb

bb-includes/classes.php : 37.98 Kb

bb-includes/formatting-functions.php : 8.73 Kb

bb-includes/template-functions.php : 59.12 Kb

bb-includes/capabilities.php : 13.15 Kb

bb-includes/cache.php : 8.52 Kb

bb-includes/deprecated.php : 8.17 Kb

bb-includes/wp-functions.php : 36.06 Kb

bb-includes/kses.php : 17.65 Kb

bb-includes/l10n.php : 1.76 Kb

bb-includes/bozo.php : 10.1 Kb

bb-includes/akismet.php : 8.14 Kb

bb-includes/default-filters.php : 4.45 Kb

bb-includes/script-loader.php : 9.2 Kb

bb-includes/compat.php : 0.57 Kb

my-plugins/_bb-benchmark.php : 4.79 Kb

my-plugins/_cookie-year.php : 0.92 Kb

my-plugins/bb-polls.php : 21.04 Kb

my-plugins/bb-signatures.php : 11.52 Kb

my-plugins/report-post.php : 3.92 Kb

my-plugins/user-topics-to-favorites.php : 0.59 Kb

my-plugins/bb-topic-views.php : 5.91 Kb

my-plugins/my-views.php : 10.13 Kb

my-plugins/notification.php : 2.26 Kb

my-plugins/my-views-started-participated-topics.php : 1.52 Kb

my-plugins/my-views-most-least-views.php : 2.7 Kb

my-plugins/plugin-browser.php : 21.72 Kb

my-plugins/my-views-installed-available-plugins.php : 6.61 Kb

bb-includes/pluggable.php : 8.86 Kb

bb-includes/locale.php : 6.91 Kb

bb-templates/kakumei/front-page.php : 3.03 Kb

bb-templates/kakumei/header.php : 1.6 Kb

bb-templates/kakumei/logged-in.php : 0.21 Kb

bb-templates/kakumei/footer.php : 1.13 Kb

=====================================================

[_ck_]

I just installed SMF on the my dreamhost account next to bbpress.

SMF blows away bbpress’s performance, every time.

I have to investigate how the heck they do that. It feels like they are using partial page caching but their performance stats say they are using the same number of queries.

Then again I know bbpress’s weakness is not the queries, it’s all those plugins getting included and then firing up when the filters/actions first trigger.

Bugs the heck out of me. bbPress should be as fast!

[neyoung]

I’m learning slowly Figured it out.

[neyoung]

Well, it turns out I shouldn’t play with bbpress/wpmu when I’m tired at 2am. I never ended up activating the plugin . Anyways, I got the code that Detective wrote to work once I pulled my head outta my butt!

Here’s for anyone else that has this problem…

toss this into a file called default-role.php and put it in your my-plugins directory within your bbpress install folder.

<?php

/*

Plugin Name: bbpress wpmu default role

Plugin URI: https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/yet-another-integration-bug-no-role-set-on-registration?replies=5

Description: Sets a default WPMU role for all new bbpress users.

Author: Detective

Author URI: http://www.ryuuko.cl/

*/

function wpbb_add_user_role_rk($user_id) {

$user = new WP_User($user_id);

$user->set_role(get_option(‘default_role’));

}

add_action( ‘bb_new_user’, ‘wpbb_add_user_role_rk’);

?>

[viamedia]

Here is a Korean language file for bbpress. It is just in nascent stage, but I hope it helps Korean users interested in bbpress.

download: http://www.skhcafe.org/dev/Korean_bbpress_070815.zip

1. Upload the ko.mo and ko.po files to bb-includes/languages. (if do not have it, create the folder.)

2. Edit config.php – find define(‘BBLANG’, ”); and change to define(‘BBLANG’, ‘ko’);

That’s it!

비비프레스 한글 번역 화일을 올립니다. 개인적인 포럼 구축에 사용하려고 시도해 본 번역인데, 다듬어야 할 부분이 많습니다. 관심있는 분들이 발전시켜 주면 좋겠군요.

설치 방법

1. 두 화일(ko.po 와 ko.mo)을 다운로드하여 비비프레스의 언어 폴더(bb-includes/languages)에 올립니다. 폴더가 없으면 만들어 주세요.

2. config.php 화일을 열어서 다음과 같이 고쳐줍니다. define(‘BBLANG’, ”); 을 define(‘BBLANG’, ‘ko’); 으로.

[chrishajer]

The bbPress forum is not really a part of the blog, it’s sort of next to it. With integration, you get login information shared between WP and bbPress, but you will need to do the CSS customization to a bbPress template to make it look like your blog.

And yes, you can play all you want with the bbPress CSS, it won’t affect your blog at all. They’re totally separate files. I would making a new directory for your new template, so you can always revert to the default template if something goes wrong.

If you search the forums, there are some people who have had a lot of success making their bbPress installation look like their blog.

[ronchicago]

Not sure where things go either. I wish to integrate the forum into existing WP blog (more on this later) so I have common registered users, similar look, and I can easily go back and forth from blog to forum.

Blog resides here = mydomain.com/blog

or another way = public_html/blog

I am going to change the folder name of “bbpress” to “forum” so I position just like blog rather than “inside” blog.

mydomain.com/forum

public_html/forum

Right?

[ganzua]

I’m translating bbpress to spanish (using a custom mo file) and so far there are 3 phrases that I can’t translate;

In topic view I can’t translate;

” You must log in to post. “

” Posted 2 weeks ago # ” (in this case “weeks” appears translated but not the rest of the phrase)

” Allowed markup: a blockquote br code em strong ul ol li img.

Put code in between backticks. “

I can’t locate them, where ca I find them so I can hand translate? or what do you need to put in the .po file so it works?

[_ck_]

First a quick tip: when you customise templates with a plugin function embeded, instead of this:

<? show_blah(); ?>

do this:

<? if (function_exists('show_blah')) { show_blah();} ?>

and that way if you deactivate a plugin, it will fail quietly and let the page still render.

Now to address your problem, that error can happen if something is trying to call bb_get_header before bbpress is completely loaded somehow. Or an include could accidentally get renamed. Or some whitespace got inserted at the end of a plugin somewhere (after the ending ?>)

You need more info. Go into your config.php and add this as the first line or so:

error_reporting(E_ALL);

And see what it throws at you.

[_ck_]

That’s exactly right about Dreamhost.

I am working on a technique to try to load all the bbpress includes and plugins directly from the eaccelerator memcache instead of seeking on the disk first to check if they have changed (and just let the mysql plugins registry manage that).

I suspect I can eliminate the 400ms lag if I can pull that off. Not an easy feat though. Requires a replacement bb-settings.php

Oh and you’re probably paying per month for your dedicated what I pay per year for my VPS (I’ve migrated twice to get better neighbors):

=== benchmark & query results ===



12:08:28 up 25 days,  3:37,  0 users,  load average: 0.07, 0.04, 0.00



total page time: 0.045 seconds.



time to reach each section:

bb_underscore_plugins_loaded =  0.005

bb-polls.php loaded =  0.005

bb-signatures.php loaded =  0.005

report-post.php loaded =  0.006

my-views.php loaded =  0.006

bb-topic-views.php loaded =  0.006

user-topics-to-favorites.php loaded =  0.006

admin-post-anything.php loaded =  0.006

tweaks.php loaded =  0.006

my-views-most-least-views.php loaded =  0.007

my-views-started-participated-topics.php loaded =  0.008

my-views-installed-available-plugins.php loaded =  0.008

ignore-member.php loaded =  0.009

bb_plugins_loaded =  0.009

bb_init =  0.011

bb_index.php_pre_db =  0.011

bb_index.php =  0.016

front-page.php =  0.016

header.php =  0.017

logged-in.php =  0.018

footer.php =  0.045



time to render page: 0.0429 seconds (query time subtracted)



total query count: 12



total query time: 0.0021 seconds



slowest call was # 1 : 0.0005 seconds

SELECT * FROM bb_forums LIMIT 1 server:dbh_local connect: 0.38ms

[neyoung]

I’ve got μ loaded through the config.php file. I’ll look into some of the μ functions and see what I can do.

I don’t think that trk_addDefaultRole function is being called from bb_new_user at all. Is there a way I can test to see if it is?

[fel64]

I don’t know why nothing would happen, but I’d advise you to use the API instead of a db query. If μ isn’t already loaded when you load bb, it might be good to load it when someone registers and use a μ function to set their role instead.

[neyoung]

Sorry for the duplicate post, I think I was tired when I posted the other one and I’d sort of forgot about it.

Anyways, I’ve been playing with the two bits of code and I think I’ve ‘almost’ got it working. If I execute Detectives query manually from the terminal it works, but for some reason when I put it all in a little plugin nothing happens. Is there a type-o or a noob error somewhere?

`<?php

/*

Plugin Name: bbpress wpmu default role

*/

function trk_addDefaultRole($user_id) {

global $bbdb;

$bbdb->query(“INSERT INTO wp_usermeta ( user_id, meta_key, meta_value ) VALUES ( ‘$user_id’, ‘wp_1_capabilities’, ‘a:1:{s:10:”subscriber”;b:1;}’ )”);

}

add_action(‘bb_new_user’, ‘trk_addDefaultRole’);

?>

[amethystdragon]

Got a bit of a weird error happening – Let me begin

Yesterday I did a bit of work sorting out my quite frankly flaky forums – Got everything working quite nicely but then I decided to remove the Avatar Upload plugin because I couldn’t get it looking nice against the users in the forums in the time I had left

However having turned it off I then found I couldn’t access any of the user profile pages including my own – I just get a completely blank page

I’ve removed the calls to show the avatar on the profile page itself but its still falling over

The site error log is reporting the following:

[Wed Aug 15 04:24:42 2007] [error] [client 86.158.248.246] PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function bb_get_header() in /home/httpd/vhosts/<sitename>/httpdocs/forums/profile.php on line 1, referer: http://<sitename>/forums/

Now I know that this simply isn’t true – bb_get_header() is part of the core and its more likely that one of the plugins has gone screwy but I’ve tried turning off the plugins but I’ve done quite a bit of customisation and the majority of the plugins don’t die quietly – they cause major blow-outs if not available so I’m now having to go through all my template code and put if blocks around them to stop them

The list of plugins I have installed are as follows

Limit Latest Discussion 0.73

Simple Onlinelist 1.5

My Views 0.05

BBPress Private Messaging 0.80

Posts since last visit 0.5-beta

Report Post 0.11

Avatar Upload 0.8.2

Private Forums 5.2

Use Display Name 0.7.2

bbPress signatures 0.14

My Views module – Started/Participated Topics 0.05

Any help would be really appreciated

[_ck_]

Yeah dreamhost certainly does suck. I just have a $20 per year promo account that I completely forgot about until recently when I wanted to test bbpress on various hosts (I’m looking for other super cheap hosts to try it on if you know of any, especially pay-as-you go like nearlyfreespeech.net)

What’s really strange is that some other forum software works MUCH faster on dreamhost and I am trying to figure out why. Take a look at WP plugin author GamerZ’s SMF (simple machines forum, evolved from YaBB) which is on another Dreamhost node:

http://forums.lesterchan.net

It’s incredibly responsive. Not even running an opcode cache. Of course SMF has half a decade of development behind it, but still, it’s impressive. I suspect they use partial page caching somehow. Meanwhile GamerZ’s WP blog running on the same account, crawls at times.

[Trent Adams]

I would imagine that since no one answered the first time, you won’t get much more on a duplicate type thread…..

Trent

[neyoung]

As everyone knows, if a user registers in bbpress instead of through wordpress(mu) that user doesn’t get a default role set.

I’ve dug and dug on both the bbpress and wpmu forums and haven’t found a fix for this. I did find a fix that apparently works for wordpress, but I tried it for wordpress mu with no luck.

The 4th post in this thread explains a way to set roles in wordpress mu.

I imagine that a plugin with the combination of the two solutions would allow users to register through bbpress and get a default role on the main wordpress mu blog. But, unfortunately I have no clue what I’m doing. If anyone has a free minute or two to look at the bits of code and maybe hack something together that would be awesome.

Oh, and I’m using the latest versions of both bbpress and wpmu.

[howtogeek]

This is interesting… because bbpress loads the plugins in order, the bb-benchmark plugin is getting loaded nearly last on my system, so I only see the output from the onlinelist plugin.

It looks like the vast majority of the execution time is before the plugins even get loaded.

[_ck_]

Oh sorry I forgot to update you (check the extend area from time to time) but I released it like a week ago…

https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/62

[_ck_]

I’ve put 0.16 into the SVN, I think it updates on the hour.

Once you have 0.16 installed, go edit bb-settings.php in the bbpress root and around line 157 change that section so you add the line bb_benchmark_template_timer('',$plugin.' loaded');

like so:

if ( $plugins = bb_get_option( 'active_plugins' ) )

foreach ( (array) $plugins as $plugin ) {

if ( file_exists(BBPLUGINDIR . $plugin) ) {

require( BBPLUGINDIR . $plugin );

bb_benchmark_template_timer('',$plugin.' loaded');

} }

do_action( 'bb_plugins_loaded' );

unset($plugins, $plugin);

.

That will give you the super detailed output, so if there is a single plugin that is consistently slowing your page load down, you might be able to spot it.

[_ck_]

Oh and bbPress’s (and WordPress’s) biggest weakness is not mysql queries – it’s actually all the plugins loading.

Unless you use an opcode cache or have really good disk caching on your host, loading a dozen or more plugins can cause those longer delays.

If you are on a VPS, you need eaccelerator or some other opcode cache. A few shared hosts like dreamhost let you install your own copy of php+fastcgi and eaccelerator too (but I do not recommend DreamHost, quite the opposite).