[kevinjohngallagher]

Yo Gautam,

No tickets with patches should have been changed, 90% sure i checked for them all – really sorry if one slipped through.

Bugs on the other hand, I was selective about the reality of getting them fixed. Take Ticket 215: Post count bug as an example:

• Is it a bug? Yes
• Does it stop BBpress working in any way? No.
• Will it sap development time from getting this release out the door? Possibly.
• So I moved it

I’m definitely not in charge around here, so please, if I’ve moved something you (or anyone else) thinks should be in this Milestone, then please move them back. It’s just that smilies, youtube support etc. had been sitting there for weeks on end. With less fluff in trac for each milestone, hopefully we can get more people interested in testing (as one of the major gripes i hear often is “i don’t know where to start”).

Lets hope we get some of the patches in soon

[chrishajer]

How about hiring or paying someone to manage the project? Or paying a developer? We had a paid developer/PM with sambauers, didn’t we?

[chrishajer]

WP Super Cache will not help with bbPress at all.

If everything was OK until December, what happened in December? Did you update and software or plugins? Did the host change something you don’t know about? With a hosting company, chances are they watch things like free disk space and RAM, but that’s worth checking into as well.

Can you dump the databases and see how large they are? Maybe a plugin has gone crazy and is just adding tons of data to the database causing access to take longer. There was a recent WordPress (or maybe bbPress) discussion about this, a typo in a plugin causing tons of garbage to be added to the database causing the database to grow huge.

Do you have access to logs? Depending on what you have access to, you might be able to find something interesting in a log.

Do you have the option to turn off plugins and revert to a default theme to see if the problem still exists?

There used to be a plugin called bb-benchmark that would help with this sort of performance thing.

My guess would be that this is a plugin causing a timeout when connecting to the database. What plugins are you using?

[kevinjohngallagher]

Just a few quick update for those at the development side:

I’ve went through Trac and made some changes for 1.1. Mostly the involve bunting things to the next again release of BBpress.

If you’re the owner of a ticket that has been moved, please check that you’re ok with it. When reviewing the list there were way too many “tasks” or new bits of functionality needed that were not going to make it into this release of BBpress. On top of that there were too many bugs/features that really needed to be re-written from the ground up to make it into this next release.

If you have any bugs, please add them to Trac so we can keep this moving along.

Thanks,

Kev

[kevinjohngallagher]

Hi Matt,

It really is amazing that you’re helping out with BBpress, it’s clearly something you love as much as we do, and we desperately try not to sound ungrateful.

The issue is that when there is no project management, then it’s a bit like herding cats (to quote Jane @ WordPress ;-] ). We all know and apprecaite that you’re busy and that BBpress is going to take a back seat sometimes, that’s to be expected mate. But you can’t have it both ways.

You can’t have a project where the project lead, lead developer, decision maker and talisman disappears for weeks on end; and then also seem unhappy when that doesn’t go down well.

Can you imagine if you released a version of WordPress without beta testing, bulked up the code by 50%, made it 50% slower, broke most plugins, didn’t have any documentation, had all the development team quit, have all bar 1 moderator quit, then leave it for 8 months not entirely working… What sort of response would there be on the WordPress forums? Maybe a bit Chicken Little.

Matt, i’m not a popular guy around here, my french/celtic phrasing winds people up when it’s not my intention at all, trult i apologise if I’ve done that with yourself too. But you’re looking at this from someone who’s been really involved since November, while those of us who’ve been here through 0.9 and 1.02 have a different very viewpoint.

Matt, you have WP3.0, the WPfoundation, maybe BuddyPress1.2, WPcamps, travel, as well as the normal day to day stuff to deal with. Man, we know you’re hella busy and we appreciate your time. But maybe you have to manage expectations a little here. Set some dates, say some hard truths, y’know, actual information “Relax. We’ve done this before” is probably the scariest thing i’ve read on the BBpress forum.

We greatly apprecaite your time mate, maybe you could apprecaite ours by giving us a heads up every now and then, rather than after the fact. Some clever soul built a blogging platform to make it easy to post info on

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There is no date because it’s hard for me to predict how much time I have

-Matt

Versus.

“We take a page from the world of project management and we make a project plan before we jump into the dev cycle…and set a realistic release date that we stick to”

– https://wordpress.org/development/2009/12/setting-scope/

Take Care everyone.

[kevinjohngallagher]

Marius,

My friend, no-one is attacking you here. You’re not using the default theme, you’re using a modified theme. I have the default theme and it doesn’t have a picture of Micahel Jackson anywhere (that i can see at least).

Your issue was a CSS issue, because you had placed attached your CSS code to the wrong DIV for what you were wanting to achieve. It’s nothing to do with BBpress, honestly mate, the issue was a CSS issue with CSS code that you added when you didn’t know what you were doing. A CSS website would make a world of difference to you and your knowledge and ability to edit the themes. I’m not saying that to be cocky, i’m saying it to give you the tools to do these things yourself

When Im asking specifically for location of a code, in the DEFAULT THEME that comes with BBPress, the best place to ask is of course BBPress own forum

That’s the key thing here mate, you were not asking that. You maybe thought you were, but the code that was wrong was in your CSS file, that you added – that’s nothing to do with BBpress.

Given that it was your 2nd thread and your 4th attempt at asking for this solution in under 24 hours, I tried to help out – i gave you the simplest answer because your understanding of CSS was limited . You didn’t understand the simple solutions presented, that’s your web development knowledge, nothing to do BBpress.

No-one is paid to be here matey, we’re all doing this because we want to help BBpress grow But that doesn’t mean we have to be at your beck and call for real time support, nor does it mean that we have to answer basic web design/development questions that don’t have anything to do with BBpress. I’m going to leave this here, clearly we have different opinions, and that’s cool – but for your sake mate, not mine, learning a bit of Web Development skills will make your BBpress life alot easier.

Take care

[KillerSneak]

@Gautam

I know, I hope you can figure this out as this plugin is real helpfull for me and the site (when it’s fully working).

If there is anything else you want INFO/LOGS what ever let me know.

[Nuul]

“Not to be rude, but no wonder why both Sam and _ck_ left. I’m feeling like a battered women who just now realized that I’ve been abused for the past 2 years. “

-PRICELESS-

He does make some good points. Development is so poor atm, even I am abandoning this forum. bbPress feels kinda dead now, there was some hope when Matt did some involvement, but after 3 irc meetings or so this is gone as well. The last convulsion so to say. More and more people ar leaving and with good reason. Also some bad decisions have been made (in my oppinion) like making it a plugin for wordpress (though I understand why, but I would have liked a stand alone one too) and Backpress intergration (I mean, who is using that at all? It makes the forum way slower and bigger too). To be honest 0.9 is and feels way faster then 1.x and has many good and working plugins.

It’s a shame, it could have been some great forum software, it started so good

[Marius-]

When Im asking specifically for location of a code, in the DEFAULT THEME that comes with BBPress, the best place to ask is of course BBPress own forum. Ask the makers, not the interpretors.

[Gautam]

@matt

If you would like to contribute to 1.1, please test the two major feature additions to 1.1 and submit patches for improvements and/or bug fixes to those features.

There are dozens of patches lying in the trac which are not being implemented (maybe because of lack of attention/lead developer). And when any major commit is made, patches become out-of-date, so they should be added now. Many of them are bugs which really need to be fixed.

[Gautam]

@KillerSneak

That’s strange.

[sweetiessecret]

Hello,

I had someone setup the BBPress Forum integration with my WP blog. I have it setup as a private Forum. It was all working until mid December.

Now I get database connection errors and it lags a lot. Sometimes you click on something and it will fly through to the next page like it is supposed to work and other times it just sits there and it eventually times out and gives just a blank screen or you get that Database Connection error like this

“ERROR: Could not establish a database connection”

I am using GoDaddy with a Deluxe hosting account. I don’t have a huge amount of readers on the site but they are there most of the day. Still I believe my hosting account should be able to handle this setup.

I have contacted GoDaddy everyday for the last 2 weeks. They said that I have two separate databases, one for the blog and one for the BBPress install so there shouldn’t be any strain on the databases. They also test their server everytime I call and don’t see anything significant. I upgraded the account to get more simultaneous connections.

I also installed WP Super Cache to help and that did nothing.

I also had someone working on the problem and he can’t find anything on my side.

Maybe there is some setup incorrect on my site?

Has anyone had this problem who could help?

Wendy

[QuickD]

The Drama continues

[Matt Mullenweg]

“Even reading the blog, irc and this forum – it’s still unclear to me what should be worked on for the next release.”

Please read them again. In summary: 1.1 release will include email notifications and anonymous posting, both of which are in trunk and would appreciate testing and patches. After that it’s bug fixes, and release.

If you would like to contribute to 1.1, please test the two major feature additions to 1.1 and submit patches for improvements and/or bug fixes to those features.

There is no date because it’s hard for me to predict how much time I have.

[Hard Seat Sleeper]

A while ago I brought up the idea to make a “Sandbox” theme for bbPress:

http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/sandbox-theme

I ended up doing that and a bit more. I updated Sandbox for WordPress and built a bbPress theme at the same time, so they work well together and if you skin one you can import the styles to the other quite easily.

http://selfevidenthotdogs.com/bones

It’s not as spare as Sandbox, but the colors are easy to remove and the semantics are there. Here’s the bbPress demo

http://selfevidenthotdogs.com/forum/

Let me know what you think.

[frooyo]

@Matt

What I’m looking for is someone to clearly define the product roadmap. This is something we have NEVER had.

Even reading the blog, irc and this forum – it’s still unclear to me what should be worked on for the next release. What will make it in, what won’t.

The problem with just looking at Trac is that anyone can just add a ticket to a release. Which then makes it appear the next release will never get completed because tickets just pile up.

https://trac.bbpress.org/roadmap

We need you to:

* Clearly establish what the next major features/work/purpose will be for the next release.

* Define exactly which tickets in Trac should be worked on for each release and those tickets to not work no, move those tickets to a future release.

* Set hard dates to have it completed by so that we have a target to work towards.

The bullets above does the following: It keeps those of us that can code focused to only work on what’s important (and also informs us what to work on if we’re not aware). It gives us a target to hit, right now we’re very blind.

This is what I’m looking for in a Benevolent Dictator. Don’t get me wrong, I love your involved but we need someone to provide some organization.

To give an example of a project that excutes the bullets above well is Edgewall, the makers of Trac. Just look at the following link on how well organized their releases are. Includes release date, pre-req tickets to fix, etc. http://trac.edgewall.org/roadmap

People like to be told what to do. Just tell us what to do … you’d be surprised at how many people will perform once asked and they know the target. (Just saying “please contribute code” is not enough, we need to be told specifically what needs to be contributed)

[Kevin Ryman]

@Matt

Thank you for keeping up with this thread! It is nice to see you around here!

I own a license for IP.Board 3 and vBulletin 4 which are the best professional (paid) bulletin board solutions. Now I started using BBpress two weeks ago because I felt like I had to “see” how much progress the software had made. It has made some progress since I last use it but if you compare it to its big brother (WordPress) it hasn’t really make a drastic chance. The simplicity and easy of use BBpress offers is amazing. That’s why I like to keep up with the developer news and updates… I would hate to see this project die because of luck of a developer team…

Thank for reading this post!

fyi:

Matt, you’re an amazing person. WordPress is an awesome project and so is BBpress! Thank you for bringing us these two projects!

[Matt Mullenweg]

That’s not how it happened at all. I have been leading the project and sheparding resources in many ways, which is why it started development again after several months of zero activity, but unfortunately I don’t have as much time as I would like. I care about bbPress, otherwise I wouldn’t have spent as much time as I have already, and hopefully as some people leave (I can’t believe you said you feel like a battered woman, the analogy feels completely inappropiate) others will join.

I’ve been keeping up with this conversation with the new email notification feature, for what it’s worth.

[frooyo]

@Matt

I think you’re missing the bigger point trying to be made.

Every “community project”, as you put it, has a Benevolent Dictator … someone who LEADS the project. bbPress for the past 6 months hasn’t had such a leader.

Frankly, many of us thought YOU were stating that you would take over that role as bbPress project lead. Apparently not.

If you don’t want that role, please post a blog post on it – that way we as a community can find someone else to drive/lead the bbPress project because clearly noone now from automatic has cared about bbPress since Sam left.

Not to be rude, but no wonder why both Sam and _ck_ left. I’m feeling like a battered women who just now realized that I’ve been abused for the past 2 years.

[Kevin Ryman]

I’m going to try this. Thanks in advance!

[Matt Mullenweg]

Yes, and the dearth of coders is the hardest to work around. Without code contributions bbPress will never be a community project.

[chrishajer]

Devote some resources to bbPress? Put someone in charge of the project?

Unfortunately, the people who care about bbPress (and we complain because we care) are not always the same people who can help with programming.

[chrishajer]

Marius-, kevinjohngallagher is correct. The issues you were having were purely CSS and template issues, not bbPress issues. Just because you’re using bbPress doesn’t make your question a bbPress question. To answer those questions would not be supporting bbPress, they’d be helping you design a forum theme. I just skipped over the question initially because it had nothing to do with bbPress.

[chrishajer]

I didn’t know you could make a child theme for bbPress.

[Matt Mullenweg]

I’ve given site and commit access to close to 10 people. Besides putting in my own time, which I do when I can, there’s not much else I can do.