[_ck_]

This is a very early beta release for advanced users who may find it useful.

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/browser-timer/

(works in 0.9 and 1.x)

example log:

http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/browser-timer/screenshots/screenshot-1.png

While my bb-benchmark plugin will tell you how long it’s taking your server to make pages, you really have no idea how long it’s taking your users to browse your forums and see those pages.

ie. 200ms on the server side may be 5 seconds with javascript on the visitors side

You can time your own browser, but often you have many things already cached and might use a faster browser or live much closer to your server than someone else across the country or the other side of the world.

So now you can know exactly how long it’s taking for them to see your pages.

It’s very accurate in my testing, within 100ms typically.

Basically it works by using a sort of “round trip” timer.

You can add a geo-location database and it will tell you what country the visitor is in, which helps to understand why a time may be so high/low.

[kevinjohngallagher]

Yutt,

Like everyone else, you’re entitled to your opinion; and i am truly sorry if i’ve left you with an overly negative one – though I apprecaite I am a tad less forgiving of people who can’t even get my name right

[_ck_]

Well actually I am typically fairly quiet about the back end stuff and community politics.

But I’ve regretted over the past year or two not voicing enough concern at the start over backPress so now I simply do not want to see another big mistake, the bbPress name hijacked for a third, completely different forum program.

My request is quite simple: do whatever else you’d like but please do not call it bbPress when it has no relationship with any previous version of bbPress.

If bbPress truly is an open source community project and not exclusively owned/managed by Automattic, well then here’s the chance to prove that.

If Matt suddenly announced that WordPress would radically change from 3.0 to 3.1 and out of the blue use a newly developed core that completely invalidated all existing themes, plugins, utilities and knowledgebase – wouldn’t you be just a little bit concerned and upset? Would you speak up or “go with the flow” ?

In the above scenario, if you were new to WP 3.1, you wouldn’t care and would wonder why people were complaining so much. But if you had a few years invested, maybe you’d feel a little differently. Maybe you’d ask them to leave the old version alone and call it something else.

[yutt]

Just so the new developers understand, trying to have a discussion with kevinjohngallagher or _ck_ about the future of bbpress is an exercise in futility.

They are extremely vocal and belligerent members who have dictated the tone of the community for over a year. kevin smiles while talking over you, but it isn’t any less damaging.

Frankly if this site is moved to an alternate subdomain and they disappear completely, *that alone* would improve the bbpress experience.

Thank you for keeping us informed on the progress and your intents. Please focus on coding and not community management on this point. The only “community” here are a dozen diehard, entrenched and bitter people who have been too stubborn to adjust their vision over the year we have known this change was coming.

[_ck_]

I should have a database downgrade tool finished by the end of this weekend.

I need a few testers who know what they are doing and can backup their database (and restore it) if something goes wrong.

Technically you’d have to clone the database anyway since you’d want to install bbPress 0.9 into another directory, at least for testing purposes. But that requires you to override some settings via bb-config.php to tell it where everything is, or re-run the install routine for 0.9

Obviously this does not do anything magical to your plugins, they have to be backwards compatible with 0.9 also (if you are using mine in 1.x successfully, they will work in 0.9 but I can’t speak for others).

[_ck_]

By the way, Matt owns talkPress.org and it’s not being used.

So there’s a solution. With a new name, it’s clearly a different product and there are no expectations and no conflict.

I’d promise not to join or comment on it in any way and you can start with fresh faces ignorant of any legacy baggage.

[willcrain]

sorry about that. I did have it set up like that. (my spaces didnt show up in the post)

wordpress-instance ( http://www.examplesite.com )

---

>files with wp instance (ie wp-config.php, index.php, etc)

---

>[folder] wp-admin/

---

>[folder] wp-content/

---

>[folder] plugins/

---

>[folder] themes/

---

>[folder] myCustomTheme/

---

>[folder] index.php

---

>[folder] wp-includes

---

>[folder] bbpress instance (which i call ‘discussion-center’)

in this case in order to access my bbpress site i use:

http://www.examplesite.com/discussion-center

and that works, i can see it all and interact with both…but, once logged in however i can not access the wordpress admin panel, http://www.examplesite.com/wp-admin … just a white page… as well as http://www.exaplesite.com/wp-login.php… even if i remove the [folder] bbpress instance from my wordpress instance it still doesnt offer access for wordpress… i would try uninstalling it and reinstalling it but what else would i have to remove other than the instance folder?

thanks again for any help

[kevinjohngallagher]

Pete’s status, isn’t any different than the way you all feel about things. If you can vent your frustrations, so can he.

I’d never like to step on Pete’s rights or freedoms. He can say what he wants when he wants. But it’s just shame he didn’t have the common decency or manners to tell us… before bitching to the world.

If Pete’s not happy about some of the things in this thread, and we’re the people he’s going to have to (or wants to) live with as we move forward “together”, then he should have commented here.

JJJ your comments and Q/A attempts have helped a great deal. Of course there is still some polorisation and discontent, this is heavy (and for some peole horrible) news; people aren’t going ot be ok with it as soon as somone says “everything’s going to be A-okay”. Even if thats true, and I think it is and eventually things will be ok, there’s still loads that needs to be talked out before people can make an informed decision.

But y’know, talk it out, address the issues here, and win people over. Making snidey remarks on Twitter in the hope that no-one from bbpress will see it is just… poor/childish/cowardly. Feel free to pick one, I pick all 3.

I’m vocal, and according to Sam Bauers I use “combative” wording (which is rarely my intention). I’ve agreed and disagreed with the same people here over the years; and I’m sure to many they hate to see my name appear in that last poster column But on the left hand side here where it says my name it links to my website, where my email/phone is listed. Many people here use it, and I am more than happy for them and others to do so – even if they disagree/like/dislike with me. If i have something to say about bbPress, i say it here. I say it to the people that are giving up their time for bbPress, and earned my respect by doing so, and JJJ that includes you

I suppose it comes down to this:

• When, in life, are people ok about being talked about behind their backs, instead of to their face?
• How on earth do you think this would help pull the community together?

1. bbPress 1.1 (standalone) – Still in active development

2. bbPress 1.2 (plugin) – Months before anyone should consider it stable, but you’re welcome to jump on the bandwagon early and help make it exactly the way you want it, side by side with Pete and myself, and anyone else that’s along for the ride.

1. But you’ve told us that, with 1 trac ticket to go, this would be the last to be supported and or maintained. You also told us that it wont be supported once the plugin comes out. Thats freaking people out.

I can understand your entusiasm at the newst version, but surely you can at least see this viewpoint (even if you odn’t agree with it).

2. Here’s the scenario: http://www.dilbert.com/fast/2003-10-12/

You’re the manager, we’re dilbert, our clients/users are the client.

Even if that wasn’t the intention, thats where we are bro.

[mr_pelle]

Love you, _ck_! Here we’re suggesting 1.x users that they will be able to upgrade to 1.2, which is absolutely false!

Ironically I would have far more easily accepted another forum project being started by Matt and unfortunately letting bbPress slowly die over what is being done now.

Me too. I just hope, hope, hope we’ll close the missing tickets and release the next standalone version asap!

[mr_pelle]

bbPress 2.0 milestone was removed when “1.2” was set, now it is merged into Future Release…

Anyway, we’d need someone to actually take a look and submit those patches: I’ve already opened tickets about bbPress.org bugs in the past weeks but a lot of them are still there…

[Ryan Hellyer]

Why do the powers that be not see reason in what _CK_ says above?

Justin Tadlock’s forum plugin avoids these problems. Why can’t the new Automattic created one too?

http://justintadlock.com/archives/2010/07/16/a-wordpress-forum-plugin-using-custom-post-types

[_ck_]

Holy cow, there is some serious kool-aid drinking going on.

You can’t just up-end a community and then ask everyone to be positive about it.

Zero consultation was done with the community/contributors, exactly the same amount that was done with backPress. Let’s be CRYSTAL CLEAR about that right from the start.

For the people showing up out of the blue and jumping into the bbpress project suddenly this year, having NEVER contributed in the past few years, and in effect telling us to “shut up and go along with it” – I am seriously not going to take that nonsense, even if you say “please”.

You don’t just take a project and completely re-write it into something else and take it’s name. It’s not yours, it belongs to the community who adopted the existing program and worked many hours to install it, figure out bugs and improve it. It’s not yours to show up late and completely re-invent after that.

You don’t wash away the years of forum questions and answers by intermingling them with a different, incompatible version.

You don’t just call it 1.2 when it will have nearly zero code/layout/theme/compatibility with 0.9/1.0/1.1 – I mean sheesh, even calling it 2.0 would have been a minimal effort to note it’s something different but no, 1.2 is to confuse as many as possible either on purpose or out of apathy.

You don’t insist it has nothing to with Automattic when the SVN/TRAC slots were decided and made by Automattic people on Automattic servers at Matt’s directive as a plugin for another Automattic managed product.

The main developer of bbPress 0.8/0.9 was an Automattic employee (Michael) under Matt’s directive, the main developer of 1.0 was an Automattic employee (Sam) under Matt’s directive. It’s an Automattic product, always will be. Matt has been trying to figure out how to monetize it for years which is why it keeps getting messed with, so he can make a wordpress.com equivalent for forums.

Even JJJ admitted a YEAR AGO, that it’s a good thing bbPress is separate from WordPress because of how blogs and forums are different even though they share similar data structures. But now it’s a 180 turn in the opposite direction because of Matt’s whim.

If you want me and the other people who have a problem with this to shut up, it is SUPER SIMPLE to end this problem:

1. don’t call it bbPress
2. start another Automattic site to build your forum plugin

   (or attach it to a wordpress.org subdomain which probably would have been more appropriate)

3. finish what was started: it’s too late for 0.9 to be properly finished as it should have been into 1.0 before the 180 with backPress but it’s not too late for 1.1 to be released and then matured into 1.2

Don’t just march into an existing community, take it over and change it’s course into another 180 turn for the second time in three years and expect anyone to just smile and go along with it.

What you aren’t seeing are the 10,000+ sites that don’t post here and have successfully adopted it, even with virtually no advertising or support from the WordPress community.

Ironically I would have far more easily accepted another forum project being started by Matt and unfortunately letting bbPress slowly die over what is being done now.

[_ck_]

There actually is a section on TRAC for “bbpress.org website” to report bugs, so I am going to suggest we start posting there and fill trac with trackable bug reports that can be fulfilled and commented on individually?

https://trac.bbpress.org/newticket

go to “component” and select “bbpress.org website”

feel free to still post them here but on TRAC is even better too

[xarzu]

I have moved my wordpress blog from a subdirectoy down to the root and it seems to be working fine now.

When I installed the wordpress and the bbpress, I gave settings to ensure that they were tied together.

Now that I have moved the wordpress to the root directory, what do I have to change in the wordpress and the bbpress to make sure that when you post to the blog it appears in the forum etc.?

[chrishajer]

If your WordPress site is at http://www.example.com, and that corresponds to “wordpress-instance”, then you want the folder “bbpress-instance” accessible at http://www.example.com/bbpress-instance.

It’s hard to tell the hierarchy of your folders from your post, but basically, you want a folder (with bbPress files in it) at the same level as wp-config.php. The name of the folder matters, since it will be visible in the URL (bbpress-instance in the above example.)

You should end up with this folder setup when you are done.

wordpress-instance/

----bbpress-instance/

bb-config.php

bb-templates/

----wp-config.php

----wp-content/

plugins/

themes/

Make sense?

[willcrain]

After the first time that I logged into my bbpress account after the install with wordpress I was no longer able to access the wordpress wp-admin page. no login option or anything. whenever i try to login i dont get anything… i can however log into the bbpress admin account

My set-up is as followed:

wordpress-instance

>files with wp instance (ie wp-config.php, index.php, etc)

>[folder] wp-admin

>[folder] wp-content

>[folder] plugins

>[folder] themes

>[folder] myCustomTheme

>[folder] uploads

>[folder] index.php

>[folder] wp-includes

>[folder] bbpress instance

Is this where i would want to put the bbpress instance for installation?

Any help would be very appreciated. Thanks.

[John James Jacoby]

Too much to address, but I’ll pick some points.

WordPress + BuddyPress + W3 Total Cache = less than 10 queries on a complete social network. If optimization is your cup of tea, there’s lots of ways you can achieve that. Core issues with WP should be directed over to those folks.

If you have a method to make it better, submit a patch. Then you can work your way up to being one of ‘those people’ that are making the decisions that you don’t agree with.

Pete’s status, isn’t any different than the way you all feel about things. If you can vent your frustrations, so can he.

Help me understand why we’re upset again.

1. bbPress 1.1 (standalone) – Still in active development

2. bbPress 1.2 (plugin) – Months before anyone should consider it stable, but you’re welcome to jump on the bandwagon early and help make it exactly the way you want it, side by side with Pete and myself, and anyone else that’s along for the ride.

Regarding # 1, what MORE do you want your lightweight standalone software to do? If you want it to be more efficient, spend some time walking through queries and making it that way. If you want something in the UI changed, do it; patch it; make it go, and I will review it, and commit it.

Regarding # 2, our goal is to have this usable ASAP as part of the 3.org initiatives, but I wouldn’t want anyone outside of that initiative using it for production until it’s released. I know we all like to live on the bleeding edge (I’ve always been that guy too) so now’s your time to start helping us weld things in from the very get-go. If you think the way we’ve doing it now is completely wrong, let us know and provide us a better way; I am happy to listen and make it right, because I want what you want; the best bbPress possible.

I think all this talk about Matt, and Automattic, should be redirected back towards Automattic the company, and not bbPress the open source software. I understand the two are perceived to be tightly integrated because mixing money and open source is mixing business with pleasure, and it’s always hard to explain or understand the difference.

I think the general negativism has taken its toll already, and it’s time to try to look at this glass as half full going forward. Please? Kindly?

Not trying to be a jerk here, but man… there is no end in sight here, and it just isn’t productive or helpful anymore. We need to tighten this ship up before it sinks itself. I say this, not from a “looking down” perspective, but from a “‘we’re in this together so let’s make the best of it” perspective.

[Andrew Nacin]

Comparing bbPress frontend queries to Twenty Ten queries is like comparing apples with orange traffic cones.

[zaerl]

In bbPress if you put something between backtick it shows up in fixed-width, not-transformed style.

And, for that matter, why isn’t this site using it?

bbpress.org and bbPress in general uses the backtick notation. It’s hard to remove it. I have answered to a topic some times ago showing a little hack to erase it.

So, is there a way to turn it on?

<?php

/*

Plugin Name: I love strike-through

Plugin URI: http://www.bbpress.org

Description: <s> tag

Author: zeal

Author URI: http://www.zaerl.com

Version: trunk

*/



function strike_it($tags)

{

$tags['s'] = array();

return $tags;

}



add_filter('bb_allowed_tags', 'strike_it');



?>

[namelesshorseman]

I’m having a similar problem. I’ve turned off all rewriting that I could find to no avail. This happens to me as well the very first time I log in after setting things up, no changes to admin or anything.

My install is two folders down /tomek/forums.

Interestingly, I tried in another browser, going to /bb-admin/index.php manually. This redirected me to the login page as expected. I logged in, and bbPress forwards me to /tomek/forums/tomek/forums/bb-admin/index.php. This, obviously doesn’t exist, and would seem to indicate a trailing or starting slash is missing somewhere, but it can’t be a redirect problem — I’ve turned all those off.

Any idea where to start looking?

Thanks,

Tomek

[Joe Gibson]

Z –

“It doesn’t understand strikethrough cause that tag (the obsolete ‘s’) isn’t enabled by default on bbPress.”

So, is there a way to turn it on?

And I understood that the ‘Code’ button was for generating backticks, but what are backticks used for since the buttons cover pretty much everything?

And, for that matter, why isn’t this site using it?

Thanks,

Joe

[chrishajer]

The function itself adds the dashes and removes the blacklisted characters (or maybe allows only whitelisted characters).

http://phpxref.ftwr.co.uk/bbpress/nav.html?bb-includes/functions.bb-formatting.php.source.html#239

[Aaron Jorbin]

JJJ and Pete: Congrats and best of luck on the project. I’ll lend any support and help I am able to. I am excited and looking forward to this plugin.

_CK_ I’d really like to know why you think this is an auttomatic decision? Neither Pete nor JJJ work for Automattic. As far as WordPress goes, multiple lead developers/committers are non Automattic employees. WordPress is a Meritocracy. The more you contribute, the more you demonstrate an understanding of the philosophy, the more responsibility and influence that you have. If you find your opinions are being ignored, I suggest trying to influence those that have contributed diplomatically or contributing patches.

[doobadabba]

I’m excited to hear that bbPress as a WordPress plugin is getting spirited attention and development!

I can also feel for all the contributors to current and past iterations of bbPress, who may have felt left in the dark, or unappreciated. Well, I appreciate you!

I’ve got a little niche community site right now. The site has a blog, and a classifieds section, and a bbPress forum. I’ve got integrated login working, but would love to have even more integration between bbPress and WordPress (especially shared header and footer, and it would be good to have just a single “profile” associated with members of my site).

As digging into code is not my most favorite thing, I’m hoping that bbPress-as-WP-plugin can simplify all of my WordPress projects.

I’m aware that some people may want to keep a standalone bbPress project going, even if only the maintenance of current and former iterations of bbPress.

And I can see that using the same name “bbPress” for both the upcoming bbPress-as-WP-plugin, and the current-and-former-standalone-bbPress-iterations that may be continually maintained, is potentially a source of confusion.

But, I don’t think it has to be confusing.

If a central location, such as this website, clearly presents and describes the differences between using the upcoming bbPress-as-WP-plugin and current-and-former-standalone-bbPress-iterations, then I think people will be able to decide what is best for them.

If I understand correctly, Matt was the original coder (and I’m guessing namer) of bbPress. And it seems that he is the top caller of shots for how bbPress goes forward. As such, I don’t think he should need to rename bbPress-as-WP-plugin to anything other than bbPress, even tho so many other people have been making bbPress what it is today.

But if he did rename it to something like pbPress (plugin-board-press), it might simplify things. How about ccPress (community-creation-press)?

That’s my though-gasm in this moment anyway. Thanks to all of you who have gotten bbPress to where it is today, and to all of you who are moving bbPress forward, and also to all who are mindful of moving forward in a fashion that is not unduly regressive

[chrishajer]

If you can install via subversion, you can have it now. If you cannot install via subversion and are waiting for a packaged version, you will have to talk to those in charge.

Recent discussion here:

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/bbpress-plugin-is-born

Look for replies by John James Jacoby about releasing 1.0.3 or 1.1