[paulhawke]

Getting back to what @frooyo asked at the start…

Since the future is that bbPress will be a plug-in of WordPress, does that still allow bbPress itself to have plugin capability? Because essentially then, any plugin of bbPress would be a plugin of plugin to WordPress.

Plugins would be managed in a single interface. They would use the regular WordPress functions to add admin-area functionality, and to add action hooks and insert themselves into the filter processing. The issue is which actions and which filters are registered in a given plugin. As bbPress is migrated to being a plugin the developers will make sure that it will broadcast its own actions, separate from WordPress, when it makes sense to, and share action/filter hooks when it makes sense. For instance, I could see the “talk like a pirate” plugin for WordPress being shared between bbPress and WordPress on a given site.

In addition to action and filter hooks being distinct between the two systems, or shared in certain cases, it’s entirely possible to write code that a plugin registers with, separate from the main WordPress. Take for instance the current “Topic Icons” plugin that allows other plugins to register new “rules” on how to apply icons. This capability allowed the “Topic Icons” plugin to support skinning the “Support Forums” icon set without ever needing to be coded into the core “Topic Icons” plugin – people who dont run “Support Forums” never need activate that piece of code. What I’m getting at here is that one plugin can register and talk to another – there just has to be a little care about how its done; if bbPress becomes a WordPress plugin, there’s nothing to stop it having its own sub-set of plugins specific to it.

How would the Admin interface look for bbPress within WordPress

Its very easy to add a new top-level menu item in the admin interface, its just not something plugin writers normally do. In the case of bbPress, I could see a “forum” menu being added that then contains a sub-menu of management pages specific to bbPress. That said, we get user and theme management for free from the main WordPress.

@bobtheman – you asked an interesting question

on a side note, this sorta makes you want to ask yourself, will every project that automattic picks up be transformed into a worpdress plugin?

It’s been said that “when all you have is a hammer, all the worlds problems look like a nail”

The fact is, WordPress is a thoroughly versatile foundation to build upon. To quote another software engineering saying, “it isnt code re-use the second time some code gets used – that’s just a happy accident. Code re-use doesnt happen until the third and subsequent time.”

What do I mean here? Simply this: the foundations of WordPress (user management, theming, admin, plugins, etc) are great. They make a solid basis for building from. BuddyPress started down that road and by a “happy accident” made use of the features. Now we are looking at bbPress and saying “wow – code re-use!” but there are large slabs of code that will not be used when you’re a bbPress user/admin. The thing which needs to happen is to look, now that a third (WP, BP, bbP) project is building on the same backend, and refactor the truly common code into a modular WP-Core that is lean-and-mean, and the additional functionality builds upon. We have an opportunity to drive the architecture of WordPress into a better place as bbPress becomes a plugin.

For instance, what if I want to swap out and run my WordPress against Microsoft Active Directory for all the user management thereby gaining single-signon in a corporate shop? Impossible right now, but if the core is more modular, maybe it would be possible. If the core were more modular, then an install of bbPress need not drag the entire WordPress codebase along with it.

[Marius-]

I want to get rid of Hot Tags. Im not just talking about the menu on the left, but completely remove it.

Remove:

-Hot tags menu

-Listed tags in topics

-Tag box in reply-form

Is there an easy way to do this?

I now have 100 members on my forum, and nobody uses it, and its just ugly.

Is tags a widget, or is it so hard coded into wordpress that I have to edit loads of files to get it away?

Should I bother removing this now, or will this be easier with an updated bbpress, thats perhaps coming sooner than I happen to know?

[petroski]

It’s the great thing about open source software – no one is stopping anyone of carrying on bbPress as a stand alone project. Myself, I like the idea of bbPress as a plug-in – much of the work I do with WordPress is providing a CMS web site solution – a bbPress plugin would become yet another powerful tool for easily integrating into a wp web site.

[bobtheman]

@olaf

bbpress has ever opportunity “as long as no forces push bbpress in a different direction” to flourish and continue to be successful as any other opensource project does. The lack of contributions is a direct reflection of issues that need to be resolved within the community but are in no way unresolvable. Making bbpress a plugin goes against the goals of bbpress and most definitely isnt keeping the USER first, unless they change that to read “keeping the WordPress User first”. Making bbpress a WordPress plugin limits bbpress in so many ways, while other projects are focusing in on simplicity, extendability and yes integration even with wordpress but also with other platforms.

on a side note, this sorta makes you want to ask yourself, will every project that automattic picks up be transformed into a worpdress plugin?

[Olaf Lederer]

@bobtheman,

you’re right, but I don’t believe in bbpress as the big forum system anymore. If I need to build a big forum I go for bigger projects like vbulletin. I think if bbpress is a plugin it will be a better system and frequently updated. And what’s wrong to have a blog and a forum on one site? I write so much articles on forums which better fit into a blog than a forum. Since bbpress has so many bugs the system need much more development than now. I’m sure systems like vbulletin has much more developers than bbpress (I forget there is currently no one)

[talatorre]

One other note, unlike wp_list_pages() you need to call this function with echo:

<?php echo bb_list_pages();?>

or modify the last few lines of the function from:

// Return the string to the caller

return $output;

to:

// Return the string to the caller

echo $output;

return;

then you can call the function similar to wp_list_pages()

<?php bb_list_pages();?>

[talatorre]

aprendedor

This is how I understand the code:

function pages_table() {

global $bb; //calls global variable

// Compute the name of the table we need to query

$table = $bb->wp_table_prefix; //this calls the wp prefix from the wordpress integration settings, ex: wp_

if ($bb->wordpress_mu_primary_blog_id != “”) //checks for a WPMU id in the WP integration settings

$table .= $bb->wordpress_mu_primary_blog_id.”_”; //appends the id, ex: wp_1

$table .= “posts”; //appends “posts”, ex: wp_posts or wp_1posts

return $table;

}

To answer your questions the code works no matter which type of WP flavor you are using

[bobtheman]

“My concern is that by making bbPress a plugin of WordPress, it’s DRASTICALLY moves bbPress away from the original goals because we already know that 1) bbPress would be *more* code, 2) much more complicated, 3) definitely slower given you have to load now WordPress and 4) fundamentally, this is not putting the user first.

Just my 2 cents … also, thanks in advance for answering my questions above “

I agree, making bbpress a plugin to WP is not in the best interest of bbpress. If this happens, our existence and success would be contingent on wordpress. The moment bbpress becomes a wp plugin, we are no longer a forum solution but rather a wordpress forum solution and we limit ourselves to just that.

[macadux]

Works! Had the same problem of WP & bbPress login knocking each other out but followed the steps of gerikg in this post and somehow overlooked (or wasn’t clear enough to me) these:

1. (re. step 4) make sure you prefix the KEY variables with “BB_” when copying to bb_config.php (AUTH_KEY => BB_AUTH_KEY, SECURE_AUTH_KEY => BB_SECURE_AUTH_KEY, LOGGED_IN_KEY=> BB_LOGGED_IN_KEY …)

2. in bbPress WordPress Integration (under bbPress Settings) copy in the values into 3 fields of Cookies directly from the keys that were generated for you (WordPress “auth” cookie salt = AUTH_SALT, WordPress “secure auth” cookie salt = SECURE_AUTH_SALT, WordPress “logged in” cookie salt = LOGGED_IN_SALT) (do not get the values from clicking on the link WordPress admin page, where I couldn’t find all the values anyway)

[chrishajer]

bbPress is not a plugin for WordPress. It’s a standalone software package that you need to install, separately from WordPress.

[gerikg]

WPMU is a little different

Try these steps.

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/login-integration-issues-bbpress-and-wordpress-mu#post-62274

Someone I was helping said that php5 must be used.

[bobtheman]

I would like to start discussion regarding a single sign on feature, and developing integration for other platforms other than just wordpress “joomla, drupal, etc” in order to open up the usability of bbpress and be less restrictive than just supporting WP.

conversion methods and tools for both CMS platforms and forum software conversion “preferably from “phpbb, smf, vb, vanilla” to bbpress of course ..

any ideas and suggestions are welcome

[Anonymous User]

Hi all,

my first test shows that the trunk version of bbPress breaks ‘BB Anonymous Posting’, ‘Post Meta for bbPress’, ‘Human Test for bbPress’ and ‘bbPress-WordPress syncronization’.

And the new “Login-Less Posting” doen’t work in my installation.

So I will do more testing tomorrow …

[chengdu-living]

I added that bit to .htaccess and it doesn’t seem to have changed anything. Perhaps it takes time to take effect? Here’s what my .htaccess looks like:

# BEGIN WordPress

<IfModule mod_rewrite.c>

RewriteEngine On

RewriteBase /

RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f

RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d

RewriteRule . /index.php [L]

</IfModule>



RewriteEngine on



RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^([^.:]+.)*chengduliving.com/bbpress.?(:[0-9]*)?$ [NC]

RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://www.chengduliving.com/forum/$1 [R=301,L]



# END WordPress

[gerikg]

What did you do to integrate, which instructions?

[Gautam]

Hmm.. maybe

[OKTeaRoom]

Gautam, does this plugin still work by any chance?

It has a reference to “ed_toolbar” in the comments which makes me think it might be what they are using on the wordpress forums:

https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/quicktags-4-bbpress/#post-36

[quagmire1973]

I have been using WordPress for a long time and I finally decided to integrate BBPress into my WordPress blog. The integration worked very well and I was able to get the cookies to work correctly to avoid folks from having to log in twice.

The problem I am having has to do with the fact that I can no longer log out of WordPress. I have tried every combination of things I can think of and nothing has worked. This only started AFTER I modified the wp-config & bb-config to include the cookie information. If I remove that info from my wp-config file, I am able to logout fine but it obviously breaks the integration. No plugins are affecting this as I have already tried playing with disable/enable to solve the issue and it did not help. It definitely seems to be related to the cookie modifications.

Has anyone else had this same issue?

[neotoxic]

I need an SQL Query that will give me the user ID and email address of all the users who are in the following groups: –

Memeber

Modorator

Administrator

Key master

I have this query that gives me all my user (including user of my WordPress site that don’t have access to my forum)

‘

$all_users = $bbdb->get_results(“SELECT ID, user_email FROM $bbdb->users WHERE user_status=0”);

‘

Oh.. also the USER name would be really good as well.. (sorry I forgot to add that to my original post)

Any help here would be awesome!

[bobtheman]

might i add, that the wordpress community would be extremely interested in bbpress integration, but we as the bbpress community should be weary of developing integration for one specific platform which will limit our abilities and success.

we should be focused on “as far as integration is concerned” single sign on, conversion tools to convert from other forum solutions, multiple authentication methods/ integration paths … for multiple platforms like

joomla, drupal, etc etc

granted there are more important things at hand to focus on so that list isnt in any way in any form of order.

[bobtheman]

1. Single Signon

2. Single Theme

3. Admin panel they recognize

single signon im fine with, but integration doesnt mean just with wordpress and it doesnt mean make bbpress a plugin

the bbpress community doesnt strive to be wordpress, we strive to create and use bbpress

making bbpress a wordpress plugin limits our success to wordpress

If a user of wordpress wants their wordpress theme to match bbpress, than that is up to the user to make that happen. If wordpress wants this to happen, then they can require that theme mods/devs include a bbpress theme so cross integration can occur, or there can be a wordpress bbpress theme converter that happens in the backend so installation can still be smooth with nothing hard to due but click install. But you should be asking yourself if its the goal of bbpress to look like and function like wordpress. If you look at any online software, usually the most asked for features are single sign on, bridges, and authentication integration “as far as forums go”

when bbpress is made a wordpress plugin, we are no longer a forum solution but a wordpress forum solution, and the development and success of bbpress would be contingent on wordpress.

[bobtheman]

“There are already so many standalone forums out there for non wp users, so it just makes sense to go this route.”

integration is key, making bbpress a plugin doesnt make sense for bbpress.. it makes sense for wordpress. The moment bbpress becomes a wordpress plugin, we are no longer a forum solution but a wordpress forum solution and we limit ourselves to that.

[bobtheman]

“When you go down this road you eventually get to the point of Drupal – amazingly vague and configurable database, slow because it’s got to be all-things-to-all-people and … well … yeah. I would rather not see either WordPress or bbPress end up there.”

i agree 100 % .. if i may give a few points of interest

the future of bbpress shouldn’t be contingent on wordpress

Im all for integration, but integration doesn’t have to be just for wordpress and integration doesn’t mean plugin

If bbpress is made a plugin to WP, then that will bring stipulations of future development which isnt good for the community

The bbpress community doesn’t strive to be wordpress, we strive to create and use bbpress.

solution, integration can still occur, by having a wordpress plugin for a “bbpress install” which will help to install bbpress alongside and integrate certain things “these are yet to be agreed apon”

integration with other platforms are just as important, bbpress should not be focusing in on one platform “wordpress” but instead be focusing on integration for multiple platforms “joomla, droopla, openid support, changing database authentication methods, etc etc.”

Making bbpress a wordpress plugin makes our success directly tied to wordpress and will cause conflict with development with wordpress integration taking precedence.. which is great for wordpress, horrible for bbpress.

also, IMO a plugin that uses plugins “bbpress as a plugin for wordpress that also uses plugins” seems weird to me.

[chengdu-living]

When users register on my bbPress installation, they receive a URL to login. Except the URL to login is the bbPress install location, not the URL of the bbPress install as it sits inside my WordPress site design. How can I change the URL in that e-mail?

If that wasn’t clear, here’s what I mean. The registration e-mail is forwarding users to http://www.chengduliving.com/bbpress but where I want them to go is http://www.chengduliving.com/forum

Thanks!

[Raize]

It’s definitely going to be a trade-off to go from a standalone software to a wordpress plugin, but I don’t think there’s very much choice. There are already so many standalone forums out there for non wp users, so it just makes sense to go this route. Connect blog comments to forum threads, and you got yourself the next evolution of the blogging community.