I didnt know WP loaded everything, thought it was built smarter than that. Anyway, how much is everything ? 1 sec more wait ? is it acceptable for mainstream users ? The only thing i care the most of is a 100% user integration / login, but it could maybe be solved by a “addon” betwen WP & bbPress ?
paulhawke, there is nothing “clean” about wordpress design. The code may have been cleaned up over time, but the result after 5+ years is there is a ton of code.
But the critical part is it loads EVERYTHING, regardless of the task at hand, all functions, all options, all plugins. Only the admin area is excluded from the load. But even the admin functions in plugins are loaded because there is no api structure to load those portions only in admin. (I’ve attempted to address that last problem in some of my later plugins for bbPress).
Loading a bbPress page as a plugin for WordPress will require the same process, EVERYTHING has to load, but now it will be worse.
This is why caching is critical with WordPress or it gets slaughtered when there are many requests. As soon as bbPress 1.0 was retooled to use backpress, it inherited the same problems as WordPress.
bbPress as a plugin will have the same problems as with backpress, but now even more so as all the wordpress plugins are loaded. It’s deep integration regardless if the user wants it or not. You will not be able to use bbPress functions without all of WordPress loaded because it will be substituting for backpress.
It’s forced deep integration, easiest way to explain it, and that’s a very bad idea.
Coming at this as a software engineering problem I cant see why a both/and rather than either/or situation shouldn’t prevail. Let me explain, as it’s not particularly outside the box for it to happen.
I write a lot of automated tests for the code I produce day-to-day and that means I need to isolate the most important pieces of business logic from how they are invoked. For instance, a given request comes into the a webservice telling it to create a user for the system. I would separate the code that handles the webservice part (pulling parameter data from the incoming HTTP request, etc) from the code that then creates the user. I would isolate the steps, wrap automated unit tests around each, and be done.
Applying the same thing to bbPress, there is some core code that handles the management of forums containing topics, that contain posts by users. This code is packaged into a clean unit of deployment – the WordPress plugin – and there is absolutely no reason why the code shouldn’t also have a second wrapper that allows for its deployment stand-alone from the main body of a WordPress installation.
Just as I might have a webservice making calls to a body of well-tested code in my day-job, I dont see why a cleanly written WordPress plugin shouldn’t make calls into the tested bbPress core code. The body of WordPress code provides additional services that another wrapper could also provide – the core of bbPress should be unaware of the actual physical storage mechanisms being employed, or how it’s being invoked (assuming its written correctly).
At the end of the day the conversion to a WordPress plugin should bring health to the codebase – a level of focus on what is most important (managing structured conversations in a forum/topic format), and an abstraction from what is not important (that is, the underlying physical storage, web-hosting, etc).
I think bbpress should be available as both a plugin and standalone forum. There are so many WP users who is only missing a forum part to their blogs, and remove bbpress as their best option, now when its getting better & better to integrate with WP, would make a lot of people sad ( including me ).
If bbPress have a plugin / standalone installer – it will rule !
MT made me learn perl and practically got brain damage from it back in 2003.
Then MT pulled that nonsense in 2004 and I jumped ship like so many others.
In hindsight MT did me a huge favor.
Best wishes to vbulletin users, I hope we can come up with a smoother conversion method for them.
If you have id 1 you can use my fix-admin-access plugin.
But any user id can be made keymaster.
Might not just be delayed email, might be blocked by any number of antispam devices by accident.
If you can, try an email address that would be served directly by the server itself – though I have found gmail is pretty darn smart about not blocking most emails (hotmail is the worst).
Check the usermeta table for user_id of 1
You should hopefully see a meta_key of bb_capabilities
and then the meta_value will be something like:
a:1:{s:9:"keymaster";b:1;}
Not sure its even possible to manually change a password any more.
I’ve now changed my user id to 1, and my email in phpMyAdmin. I then reset the password again, and it sends me an email with a link to reset my password, but when I press the link I just get this message; “You are not allowed to change your password.”
Why is that? And is there a way I can manually set my user as an admin and manually create a password?
Again, thanks for all help.
delayed email perhaps, and of course check your spam bin…
1 is the standard for whoever set the forum up, check the user table and compare. Is row ID 1 also you? and do you still have full admin(keymaster) rights?
I’ve checked the users table, and the email addresses are correct. I’ve now had three people test it, and the last one actually got the email with the new password.
I’m using bbPress 1.0.2.
EDIT:
The second test user also got the email. It seems like something happened to me, or me and the 29 first users. My ID is suddently 576, and it should be 1 I think.
check the users table, are the email addresses stored correctly?
Which version of bbPress are you using?
I managed to convert vBulletin to phpBB3, and then phpBB3 to bbPress.
The users passwords however does not work, and I can’t seem to get the email when I try to reset it.
Hello,
I have a website with WordPress as the mainsite and vBulletin as a forum. After doing lots of research on bbPress, I quickly understood that bbPress is far superior for my needs and would fit extremly well 
I do however have one problem, and that is that I have lots of users and posts that I can’t loose. I’d like to transfer my users login info as well as all the posts and threads.
Are there any scripts for converting a vBulletin database to a bbPress database?
Thanks for all help.
Hey all,
For years I’ve used vBulletin for discussion forums. However, I have recently began to use bbPress for support forums on WordPress powered sites.
There are a lot of good tutorials on bbPress integration however some of the articles don’t go into that much detail in some areas so I decided to write my own tutorial on the matter.
It’s difficult to cover everything, but I have tried to note some of the most common problems which arise when integrating bbPress and WordPress. If you are unsure about anything please let me know
http://www.wpmods.com/integrate-wordpress-bbpress
Thanks,
Kevin
based on http://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/improved-spoiler/
instead only using css my mod using javascript based on spoiler plugin vbulletin
here is the php mod http://pastebin.com/ReTD7eJE
and this is the final look
http://i40.tinypic.com/2h5qlg8.png
you need to add this in your css template file
.spoilerbg {width:auto;height:auto;background:#e1e4f2;border:1px inset;padding:5px;}
the problem now, the Improved Spoiler Plugin doesnt build for nested spoiler like
the first spoiler will be broken, diffrent from vbulletin spoiler plugin
Hi all,
I am in the process of developing a new site (which is currently in beta and not meant for the public yet…) but I have a few concerns…
Website: http://www.diyextra.com
1) Have I chosen the right forum for the project, I keep hearing bbpress is dead or it will not be developed as much when/if it becomes a plugin… Should I be using a larger scale forum package like vbulletin or phpbb ? … My thoughts on the subject originally was to go bbpress as it may tie in well with the CMS side of the site which is controlled by wordpress, I did look in to buddypress but the whole group forum thing is off putting and the fact it is not SEO friendly and the slugs (urls) are way to long… Anyone have any comments or thoughts on this would be great….
2) Plugins – Ok so I understand the forum is very basic in its core state and you add plugins to achieve options you require, but quite a number of plugins I have tried to use seem not to work, Also I have a concern that there will be a limited number of plugins developed for bbpress when/if it becomes a plugin.
3) Here is a bug I have found – maybe its just on my forum… The freshness (time/date) is incorrect a lot of the test posts I have posted on the forum are from weeks and months ago, but yet they are show up as 3 weeks… yes I have heavily modified the templet files but only the html and header/footer locations… any ideas ?
4) RSS – Also I am getting RSS error – “This page contains the following errors: error on line 10 at column 33: Entity ‘raquo’ not defined
Below is a rendering of the page up to the first error.” Anyone else have this problem or any suggestions…
Many Thanks Guys,
Chris
So i see there are two versions of this software, a plugin and stand alone version. I guess im wondering if both will continue to be supported or are they moving in one direction?
Also, is there any plan to create importing options for those who have phpbb or vbulletin forums and want to transfer to bbpress?
thx
This is mighty interesting!
If you can build vBulletinesque features into your bbPress-Pods clone, you’ll get a mass following!
I wanted to let everyone know that I’ve been working on a clone of bbPress which is built entirely in Pods. I’m not intending it to replace bbPress, but I am intending to continue development of the functionality to bring it to more of a vBulletin level. That’s the big picture anyway, I’m nearly done with getting bbPress functionality done itself.
You can see my progress here:
http://www.scottkclark.com/forums/beta-testers-unite/current-status-of-the-forums-package/
Once I’ve completed it, I will post the package on the Pods site so you can just import the package into your own site.
For info about Pods, go to http://pods.uproot.us/
I have many ehehe
from most important to least important:
1) Better BBCode (like PhpBB, VBulletin or any other forum) + Quoting (“user says”)
2) Better MULTILANGUAGE SUPPORT!!! (this would rock – like qtranslate in WP)
3) Advertising manager (a port of the popular Advertising Manager plugin in WP would do)
4) User profile pages (with many customizable profile fields, etc)
5) User photo galleries
6) Better moderation tools
7) Some social networking tool like Facebook connect, OpenID connect, Twitter feeds, etc.
Better Smilies
9) Better User Avatar System (Bavatars does a neat job though)
10) Better Integration with WordPress (sometimes sucks)
11) Customizable Forum icons
12) User can post Polls / Surveys
13) Event calendars…
@bobtheman,
you’re right, but I don’t believe in bbpress as the big forum system anymore. If I need to build a big forum I go for bigger projects like vbulletin. I think if bbpress is a plugin it will be a better system and frequently updated. And what’s wrong to have a blog and a forum on one site? I write so much articles on forums which better fit into a blog than a forum. Since bbpress has so many bugs the system need much more development than now. I’m sure systems like vbulletin has much more developers than bbpress (I forget there is currently no one)
@Matt
Thank you for keeping up with this thread! It is nice to see you around here!
I own a license for IP.Board 3 and vBulletin 4 which are the best professional (paid) bulletin board solutions. Now I started using BBpress two weeks ago because I felt like I had to “see” how much progress the software had made. It has made some progress since I last use it but if you compare it to its big brother (WordPress) it hasn’t really make a drastic chance. The simplicity and easy of use BBpress offers is amazing. That’s why I like to keep up with the developer news and updates… I would hate to see this project die because of luck of a developer team…
Thank for reading this post!
fyi:
Matt, you’re an amazing person. WordPress is an awesome project and so is BBpress! Thank you for bringing us these two projects!
i’ve created a screenshot on how this is on a vBulletin forum board, hope this helps a bit also:
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu8/npoeran/danke.jpg
Thanks for your effort
Just installed it, here some feedback.
I’m using bbPress 1.0.1:
Some feedback:
– After voting on a post, it still shows the text to vote for that post (right next to the number of votes it has already
this should change into ‘who has voted already’ and if the person who voted on that post is reading, should NOT see it asking him to vote again on the same post, even if that isnt possible)
i love this plugin btw, vbulletin has this feature, and i always wanted something similar
