[_ck_]

Oh wow. I’m an idiot.

Very sorry to put you through that – the version on bbpress.org is out of date!

It only does version 1, not version two.

I’ve just posted 0.0.4 which does version 2 (now set to default)

don’t forget to copy over the four define lines!

This is always updated faster than the copy in the plugin section.

https://plugins-svn.bbpress.org/freshly-baked-cookies/trunk/

[kevinjohngallagher]

Dammit,

_ck_ I updated my plugin 2 weeks ago.

I’ll post it here in 20 when I’m home. I thought I’d put a download link on my website, but i must have bumped it with all the talking over the last week.

[_ck_]

This will probably be low on the priority list but tags are no longer being imported from the readme.txt in the plugin section, so any updated plugin since the bbpress.org 2.0 upgrade has lost it’s tags.

[kevinjohngallagher]

Morning Peter,

It’s cool if you disagree. I’m confident we could all pick something in WordPress in the core that we think should still be a plug-in; and of course there is no right answer. What I’m not sure you’re aware of though, and you might be, is just how different the “overhead” between bbPress and WordPress is.

bbPress0.9 loads and runs at 10 or under SQL queries per page. Including the front page. Thanks to certain DB/query tweaks, and some wonderful _CK_ code, I have that at 8 SQL queries on one of my smallest intranet forums.

This is in comparison to the same 8 queries generated by the new wp_nav_menu in WP3.0. In fact the wp_nav_menu calls a not totally-in-expensive INNER JOIN for each post-type reference in the menu. It’s not a set 8 calls, without judging anything based on what it will become, if wp_nav_menu starts to accept custom post types natively, that’s going to shoot way up.

In a flat comparison, the default theme of WP3.0 with no plug-ins running, generates 19 SQL queries. Twice as much as bbPress0.9.

As someone mentioned earlier, the new bbPress plug-in would be lighter or sleeker. If it takes more SQL calls to generate the header and footer of WP than it does to load an entire bbPress forum – how does that work?

(I do realise that not all SQL queries are equal, but I do think it’s quite a good initial benchmark. Especially if you look at SAVEQUERIES output and see what sort of query each is, and its execution time.)

Additionally, as someone with your background with WP, I would love to hear your take on the caching issue. For two of my websites that have relatively ok traffic, caching is essential on WP. There are plug-ins that do this brilliantly, so thats no worries. But thats very much a “1 to n” nature. Forums are an “n to n” nature; and really don’t lean well with caching, especially in the flat-file constant-updated format.

How would one percieve that to affect WP based websites with a forum plugin of this nature attatched?

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I think there is a viewpoint that is being missed here.

People are falling into 3 groups:

1. Need a forum that works with WordPress
2. Need a standalone forum, but some WordPress integration is ideal (sign in/users)
3. Needs a standalone forum.

There appears to be a presumption is that we’re all in Group 1 and that we’re fighting change. That’s not the case at all.

I’m actually in favour of there being a WordPress forum plug-in. I think loads of people here will be. I also think that with JJJ working on it, and Justin Tadlock’s second attempt out there in the wild that it will go really well. I wish it the best of luck, and if we can offer advice or war stories or anything to help out – we’re here. We’re here because we support FOSS

The issue arises here is if you’re in Group 2, you have a decision whether to “upgrade” to running everything through WordPress or not. It’s just been presumed that’s your actual goal. At this point in time, we’d like some information (positives/negatives at a minimum) and info on how this decision has came about. People in Group 2 could move into Group 1 easily if given more information than:

“everything is going to be A-okay”

“Like it or not, this is the hand we’ve been dealt…”

But the users in Group3, the people who chose this as standalone forum software and didn’t make that decision based on WordPress – they’re being thrown out on their ear. With no warning. JJJ has stated, and I think we all appreciate that he’s taken the time to sit and answer some questions, that bbPress1.1 will be it’s last. Well, thats announced as bbPress1.1 is 1 trac ticket away from being released. How much warning is that??

If you’re in Group3, and large chunk of our support questions come from people who are, you will now be ‘forced’ to run WordPress if you want to stick with bbPress.

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I suppose what I’m saying is this. Changes in Life and in FOSS happen. Some we like, some we don’t. But there has to be a carrot with every stick, or people start to feel publicly flogged.

I want JJJ and Pete and anyone who helps them to succeed in achieving their goals. But I’ve scanned this forum page, and the emails they were kind enough to send me, and right now, if you didn’t come here specifically to use a forum inside WordPress… I can’t see the carrot.

There are people here alot cleverer than me, and alot better at wording than myself, so if i’m missing the carrot, please do a Denzel “explain it to me like a 3 year old”.

[kevinjohngallagher]

Does a plugin (sponsored or otherwise) help new and updated versions of bbPress core get released to everyone that’s using it? No.

But then JJJ mate, nothing does.

We’ve not had a core release in over a year. It’s not like theres not been code added. Our only option was to add plugins to fix the functionality.

I’m not wanting to get too historical, but you’ve not been here in the trenches for a while bro. Your last non BuddyPress topic you opened was well over a year ago. Other than teh welcome back Matt stuff, you aint been here my friend. You’ve not been here during the “all your plugins won’t work – lets take stock after 1.0’s released” era where we entered limbo.

That limbo stayed when Sam left, so our bug fixes added to the core weren’t released.

That limbo was compounded when Matt came and announced no bug fix release.

Since then we’ve been adding to the core, and now Matts against us releasing (not that we can because we’re tied into BackPress which has only had 2 core updates in 5 months – instigated by us).

With respect, what you fail to realise here is that bbPress is very close to being ideal for alot of us. Not adding to the Core is not down to a lack of desire to add to it, but rather not able to jump through the gates of the gatekeeper – especailly as he refuses to talk to anyone about bbPress (unless insulting us publicly).

The major gripes that people have with bbPress have all been fixed. Yes 90% of them are currently in plugins, but they would be alot tighter and brought into line if 1) we weren’t in a holding pattern for over a year and 2) Automattic stopped fucking with the website so people could actually get at the plugins!!!

I’m not against you making an awesome forum plugin for WordPress (little p); I contributed a little to Justin Tadlock on his 2nd attempt (although at a high level) and I’ll be glad to help you on this project too. But make no mistake my friend – you’re views on bbPress have been tainted by the perception that Automattic has been (mud?) slinging for a while.

Now you may think i’m wrong on that, no worries.

Can i ask then, what advantages will this plugin have over the current bbPress, and what disadvantages?

I’m presuming that someone thought that out before making this decision

[John James Jacoby]

I am a bit confused. Are you suggesting that plugin developers aren’t contributing to bbPress?

Core. bbPress Core is what comes in the zip when you download it. A plugin in its own zip file isn’t the same as writing patches that help create bbPress.

Is a plugin a contribution to bbPress in general? Of course! So are themes, moderators, evangelists, anyone that’s involved in a positive way is contributing.

Is the work and the opportunity to use your plugin appreciated? Yes. Does a plugin (sponsored or otherwise) help new and updated versions of bbPress core get released to everyone that’s using it? No.

[deadlyhifi]

https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/approve-user-registration/page/2/#post-3902 has an updated Approve User Registration plugin that works for v1.0

[chrishajer]

What plugin did you find that was out of date? Maybe it can be updated.

[kevinjohngallagher]

The bbPress Live plugin by Sam, was released and last updated around bbPress1.0alpha3.

It appears to me that the plugin makes a wrong call (possibly a bbPress to BackPress issue – as there were major changes for bbpress1.0alpha6) because it returns an empty set. On top of that, it’s aimed for WordPress before WP2.7, which itself had a large number of under the hood changes.

I’d be surprised if this plugin was even close to being fit for purpose these days; and without a doubt the solution is to pull the information from the Database directly.

bbPress and WordPress are 2 stand-alone software solutions that can share the same database/logins. Leveraging this data without adding the overhead (and potential issues) of the other will make life easier in the long run

(not to mention save 50+ SQL calls every time you load a bbpress page)

[chrishajer]

Friday 9th July:

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matt states that bbPress has been upgraded to latest trunk version

Where did that come from? I didn’t see that posted online.

The code running here is certainly not updated to the latest trunk. From the source of the page:

[meta name="generator" content="bbPress 1.1-alpha-2453" /]

When it’s updated, the BackPress fix will be in.

[chrishajer]

Where did Matt say he fixed the code/encoding issue?

We are still running r2453 here, not the latest version r2458. The BackPress fix didn’t happen until BackPress r312 on Jul 1 2010 by Westi. When the code is updated here the problem will be fixed. If you check out a new revision, the problem will be fixed in your installation.

Here is an example forum using r2458 with the BackPress fix and you can see that the code is formatted properly.

http://bbpress.chrishajer.com/trunk/topic.php?id=3#post-7

[wtfmatt]

Has anyone updated a recent plugin for this purpose, I haven’t seen any recent attempts. I’m talking about not letting newbies post links, have signatures, etc. but having members over 7 days allowed to, etc.

[mr_pelle]

I’ve been using Support Forum plugin (by so1o, mdawaffe and SamBauers) since a couple of months now, but it was just today that I noticed its latest update is on November ’08…

Is there any chance it will get updates in the future? It currently has some minor bugs, configuration page display issues and it features A LOT of unnecessary queries to the database!

Recently I’ve begin wondering to heavily modify this great plugin on my own, but before actually start working I’d like to know from the authors if there is any updated unreleased version out there.

Thank you in advance!

[chrishajer]

BackPress is included as an external. I don’t have the ability to update the code here. I can just check in code to bbPress. Then, on some sort of cron schedule, the code that runs bbpress.org/forums is updated. It’s not nightly, as evidenced by the fact that this site is still running r2441 (actually, I think r2442: I tagged it wrong.) So, maybe it’s not automatically done, but the job fails and someone needs to do it manually.

So, I can’t update the BackPress code that is running on this site. I could fix my local installation, and you could fix yours, but I can’t fix it here.

If you want to see what’s included externally, you can download a trunk release from the bottom of a trac page and see that Akismet and BackPress are both missing. When I check out a copy with subversion, those externals are checked out. But I can’t check in to either of those projects.

[mr_pelle]

I don’t think Matt knows that we are changing the version manually. It would be nice to have that updated automatically, but I don’t have enough access to make that happen with subversion, so I just change it manually.

I know, I know, I just thought it was funny that he did not even look at any last commit…

[chrishajer]

I don’t think Matt knows that we are changing the version manually. It would be nice to have that updated automatically, but I don’t have enough access to make that happen with subversion, so I just change it manually.

[_ck_]

The directory is above site root by default but you can put it anywhere if you don’t care about security. The way WP does it is completely insecure on shared servers. Any chmod 777 folder under the webroot is a beautiful target for evil hackers.

A small percentage of people still seem to have problems with the install routine that is supposed to run upon activation and create the table. I had to use a workaround because of a bug with 0.8 and IIs users but that may break it for other people, especially with 1.0

you can try replacing the bb_register_activation_hook line with the conventional line that might finally be working correctly under 1.x

bb_register_plugin_activation_hook(__FILE__, 'bb_attachments_install');

Keep in mind I have not updated bb-attachment in over a year due to a lack of donations, so feel free to write your own. Keep in mind whatever you write will not be compatible/necessary with the eventual version of bbpress that runs as a WP plugin.

[jawin]

Hi,

My bbpress post counter showing post in negative figures as shown below:

Browse recently updated forum topics:

1,181 users have made -54 posts!

how to fix it…?

Best Regards

[Abdessamad Idrissi]

ABOUT

A script to help you convert you phpbb3 (version 3.0.7) forum to bbpress (version:1.0.2) forum. This code is an update to the code made by wmnasef (http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/phpbb3-gt-bbpress-converter-beta-release).

GET IT @

http://code.google.com/p/phpbb3-to-bbpress1-converter/

BUGS CORRECTED

* works with bbpress 1.0.2

* corrects the single quote problem

* corrects the login problem

HOW TO INSTALL

1. make a backup from your online forum (if possible make an exact copy of your forum in your localhost server, this prevents any damage to the online forum).

2. install bbpress anywhere, just use the same database of phpbb3. this is important because the script assumes that all tables are in the same database.

3. download the script from here. extract it, and you’ll get 2 files.

4. copy the file phpbb3tobbpress.php to “phpbb3/” directory.

5. copy the file _phpbb3_pass.php to bbpress/my-plugins/ directory (if it doesn’t exist, create it!).

6. go to http://path-to-phpbb3/phpbb3tobbpress.php and start converting your board.

7. voila .. all your data is converted to bbpress tables, go to your bbpress installation and login. don’t forget to visit admin->manage->recount to make sure your converted board is updated.

As said before, it is advised to copy your phpbb3 forum to a localhost installation and make the conversion as stated in the steps above, this way if you have big forum with thousands of posts, it is easier and safer to run the conversion on localhost.

Hope this helps and thanx to the original poster.

Tested by http://numediastudio.com for http://forumcine.ma

[Abdessamad Idrissi]

I updated the current code and hosted it under google code at http://code.google.com/p/phpbb3-to-bbpress1-converter/

now it works with bbpress 1.0.2 and phpbb 3.0.7

have fun! and thanx original poster: wmnasef

[chrishajer]

Heh – the update finally took place automatically. We added that revision to the header a while back, but the code was not being updated here.

Also, We’re actually running 2442 here – the note I added to the version was the current revision. I should have jumped ahead one when I checked the code in. So, trunk and here are the same thing, despite the meta header.

[chrishajer]

There’s no such thing as bbPress 2. There is a new theme here which some people are calling bbpress.org 2 or bborg 2.

This site is running the 1.1-alpha trunk branch, not sure of the revision. It hasn’t been updated in a couple weeks.

[zaerl]

Beware. I’m a bit O.T. cause I will speak regarding my situation as a “plugin developer”. Keep in mind that usually I don’t write these kind of posts.

I really don’t like what’s going on in this site. I mean: everybody are fighting each other regarding the near future of this software. It must be name 1.0.3, no it’s 1.1, no it will be a plugin et cetera. It’s just a number and nobody care about numbers. If Linux jumped from 0.12 to 0.95 then we can call the new version of bbPress 1.0.3, 1.1 or what we want.

Now what is the real problem? The real problem is this site. After the releasing of the new template and the corresponding “Whoa!” thread everything stopped working. 404 pages, SVN broken, search broken, stupid HTML entities, trac substitution tag. Also the “Downloads This Week” statistics aren’t updated, “Highest Rated Plugins” too and I can continue on.

I really love this piece of code but we must provide a good experience for users now for the 1.0.2. We can’t provide the new version if there isn’t a solid base first. Few hints? Documentation or API documentation? I was forced to look at the code of the core in order to understand how to write my extensions.

I am demotivated. I have built a lot of plugins but I don’t want to hit the “submit” button cause why should I share my work if nobody can search for it in the plugin section or access it in several situations? As you can see I have stopped uploading big plugins after Editor and Visibility. Random Desc, Simple Registration, URL Preview and Post Permalink are like toys for me and I can share my toys with other people.

Have a nice day and long live bbPress.

[wtfmatt]

Why the heck does everyone continue to think this is up to matt and keep sucking up to him? That’s the whole point people, we all built the code and all the plugins, what in god’s name does matt have to do with this anymore besides what… owning the domain name?

Yes matt is a nice smart guy, but he doesn’t have a HEART for bbpress. He has the brain, but not the heart, is my point. And right now he’s not even using his brain for bbpress so what’s the point of your compliments to him, a rattled nervous praise to *hope* he doesn’t delete bbpress.org???

Nobody is asking for his time, or efforts! We are just asking that he LET GO of the reigns that he obviously has no interest in holding himself. And by the way, you shouldn’t accuse me of insulting matt, when he is the one that INSULTS US regularly… we are on the same team yo! We can build and take care of this project without him if he would just let people that have a heart for the bbpress project access the server and define goals and deadlines for the project.

Letting bbpress go the route of a WP plugin is just matt’s round about way of saying “f*ck off” I’m gonna kill this community and sweep it under the rug into the “not so regularly updated” plugin world.

And as _ck_ said, if it becomes a plugin, then what the heck happens to the bbpress plugins? You can’t install plugins of plugins!

I don’t know _ck_ well but I know she practically built half the code on this site by herself. That shows HEART. And I know there are others too with just as much heart, like Gautam, etc. I’m not here to play politics, please don’t try and interpret my words! Kevin man you are exactly what I’m talking about, you are smart and have HEART, but you won’t stop playing this nerdy suckup game as if one day matt is going to take you out to dinner. HE WONT. So please stop sucking up and let’s get this stuff done brother!

If you ask me, I think we should bug matt until he gives in. Emails, blog comments, whatever. He will get the point.

Or do you have another 2 years to waste?… cuz I don’t. Notice how this site’s Alexa rate is a steady 12k… the entire world is waiting on this mates! Don’t THROW IT AWAY!

p.s. I’m not hiding behind a fake identity. I’m not a “well known” member of bbpress so don’t fret y’all…

[kevinjohngallagher]

ooooh bb_update_forum. Awesome find.

thats the difference between someone who can actually code PHP and someon like me.

I’ll have to play with it though, and might ask you for some help, as in some re-ordering will fire that once for each forum is manually updated by an admin. I mean that won’t happen often ofc, but it’s (number of SQL calls my function makes * each function affected).

Currently, and in no way overly optimized, the “forum_family_tree_setup” script uses 2 + (3 * parent) SQL calls per per forum.

Even on my large football forum, (large in terms of number of forums) which has quite deep relationships, this is far less intensive than a recount. If this was to be multiplied by 3 or 4 times though (depending on how many forums are updated with a move), that might cause a hic-up.

I’ll do some benchmarks after the weekend – I’ve got 31 non-England teams to support in the World Cup this weekend

Cheers bro!