[johnhiler]

Hello David!

A fully integrated version of bbPress 1.0 is being tested here:

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/bbpress-10-alpha-4-released

If you can help out with the testing, that would be great!

John

[Sam Bauers]

I’ve also briefly tested the deepest integration possible with a cross include; including BBP into WP config, and WP into BBP config, thus allowing all functions in all areas.

You are a braver man than me.

[John James Jacoby]

I’ve also briefly tested the deepest integration possible with a cross include; including BBP into WP config, and WP into BBP config, thus allowing all functions in all areas.

Aside from the really painful overhead and the possible plug-in conflicts, it seems to work that way also.

I do highly recommend clearing out all cookies once you’ve got everything setup.

Sam, I’ve got homework I need to do for the next few hours, but I promise by tomorrow morning I’ll have a write-up for you.

[Sam Bauers]

People having issues with cookies etc need to remember to configure the WordPress plugin and also follow it’s instructions to modify the wp-config.php file in WordPress.

Further to this, you should clear out any manual settings you have made to bb-config.php in bbPress and re-check your settings in the “WordPress integration” page in bbPress admin.

Then clear all your cookies and retest.

[John James Jacoby]

Sam…

Logged in as KeyMaster, using the BBP1.0alpha4 (non trunk) and using the BBP Integration plugin for WP (trunk) I can confirm that all cookies, logins, logouts, and admin panels appear to be working from every direction.

WordPress installed in “ROOT/” directory.

bbPress installed in “ROOT/forums/” directory.

Pat yourself on the back soldier, we have lift-off.

Once I am comfortable with my findings and can test this more thoroughly I’ll write a detailed how-to integrate topic ASAP.

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Side note: It also all appears to still work even with deep integration in the bb-config.php file. Still testing so stay tuned with that.

[Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)]

I’m not sure it fixed everything. Or at least not with root cookies.

If I log in via bbpress I’m logged into bbPress AND WordPress Admin but NOT WordPress user. If I try, subsequently, to login as WordPress user, it acts like I’m logged in, but if I go back to a regular page, it doesn’t work. If I then logout on bbPress, I can log in to WordPress. This happens in reverse as well. I can’t be logged into BOTH at once.

The ‘fix’ to that was to add this to wp-config.php

// Cookies

define('COOKIE_DOMAIN', '.domain.net');

define('COOKIEPATH', '/' );

Which has the even WEIRDER side effect of logging me out between apps. Log in to bbPress, fine. Log in to WordPress, logged OUT of bbPress. Ad nasuem.

The ‘fix’ to that is to disconnect

$bb->logged_in_cookie = 'wordpress_logged_in';

Which is sooo wrong.

FWIW:

• WordPress 2.7 is installed in /blog and I’m using Giving WordPress its Own Directory While Leaving the WordPress Index File in the Root Directory
• bbPress 1.0alpha4 is installed in /forums
• I have shallow integration, where just cookies are being shared
• I have the new bbPress Integration plugin turned off (though I tested it on and off)

[Sam Bauers]

Even if you have integration set up perfectly, if you login from WordPress you will not get the correct cookies set to be able to access the bbPress admin area.

Also, if you are doing what johnjamesjacoby describes above you will get a similar problem as the bbPress roles will get squashed by WordPress.

There is a fix for both of these problems available, but it is only tested with WordPress 2.7

[Sam Bauers]

@johnjamesjacoby

The login forms don’t pass around nonce values generally, so it should be of no concern.

What happens as of right now is that the role map you setup in the admin area only gets applied to new registrations either when you save the changes on that role map form or when the new WordPress user who is missing the role in bbPress logins in through bbPress.

On your site as it is right now this never occurs because you force all logins through WordPress. Just now in trunk I have changed that so that just visiting the bbPress site with a valid cookie will set your role in bbPress.

I suspect that all the problems with loging out in your case are going to come down to having a bunch of stuff manually set in your wp-config.php and bb-config.php

Here’s what I think you should do…

1. Update bbPress to the latest trunk version
2. Remove any hardcoded settings in bb-config.php and wp-config.php WRT integration
3. Install this brand spanking new plugin (get the trunk version for the moment) http://svn.wp-plugins.org/bbpress-integration/trunk/
4. Recheck your integration settings in bbPress – don’t hardcode anyting into bb-settings.php
5. Configure that plugin in WordPress
6. Copy the wp-settings.php lines specified in that plugin to wp-config.php (probably only one line for you)

Let us know how that goes.

[Trent Adams]

I will be around more again now Been a busy year! Thanks for the cleanup code _ck_ and I will test it tomorrow. Hi back to everyone

Trent

[_ck_]

Untested code cleanup (just for fun – untested)

function force_login_init() {

if (!bb_is_user_logged_in() && !preg_match("/(bb-login|bb-reset-password|register|xmlrpc).php/s",$_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'])) {

nocache_headers();

header("HTTP/1.1 302 Moved Temporarily");

header("Status: 302 Moved Temporarily");

bb_safe_redirect( bb_get_uri( 'bb-login.php', null, BB_URI_CONTEXT_HEADER + BB_URI_CONTEXT_BB_USER_FORMS ) );

exit;

}

}

Good to see you Trent, don’t be a stranger!

[John James Jacoby]

Thanks for the response and it clarifies all of my questions.

Regarding nonces, the catch twenty-two with them would be if logging in and logging out of either/or BBP or WP don’t both affect both, or if adequate traps aren’t placed to disallow one or the other.

Example is visible at my live test site http://www.delsolownersclub.com. If you’d like to try this, register yourself and use the invite code “bbpress”. (Registering makes you a WP contributor, and I need to assign your membership role in the BBP admin manually as of right now.)

When you’re in the forums, the logout link won’t work, because the login through WP generates a nonce that BBP doesn’t know and can’t find. Because the nonces are by design different, if I login through WP and try to logout through BBP, WP will pitch a fit without the correct nonce. Make sense or am I off track here?

[John James Jacoby]

Alpha 2 works pretty well but 3 seems a no go until Mr. Bauers finds what’s broken.

Curious Sam if you test this on a live environment yourself, or what the process is?

[Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)]

Oh, irony. Now it’s not working (cleared my cache and purged cookies to test something else).

[Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)]

Interesting… With shallow integration, logging into bbPress logs me (as user and admin) into WordPress as a user but NOT as an admin. For about 20 minutes. Then I tested Deep Integration and now it fails all together.

[John James Jacoby]

Well, my first impression of beta 3 without including is that login integration doesn’t work at all.

Without the “deep” integration in the bb-config.php:

1. Logging into WordPress leaves me logged out of bbPress.
2. Logging into bbPress leaves me logged out of WordPress.
3. Logging out of bbPress leaves me logged into WordPress.
4. Logging out of WordPress leaves me logged into bbPress.

With the “deep” integration in the bb-config.php:

1. Logging into WordPress leaves me logged out of bbPress.
2. Logging into bbPress leaves me logged out of WordPress.
3. Logging out of bbPress leaves me logged into both bbPress AND WordPress.
4. Logging out of WordPress leaves me logged into bbPress.

So, login integration worked better in beta 2 unfortunately.

I haven’t tested the themes or functions yet however.

[JesperA]

Hi!

I´ve just tested out the bbPress 1.0 and i´ve got a weird problem, the topic is not showing up, i can add and delete forums but if i start a new thread in a forum it doesnt show up.

When i post a new thread i got the message: “This topic has been closed” but the “Topics” counter adds the thread so it is created.

The forum: http://www.speedrevision.se/forum/

Any suggestions?

[Sam Bauers]

@johnnydoe

bbPress has a stable version which is currently 0.9.0.3

bbPress has an unstable “alpha” version which is currently 1.0-alpha-3

In a sense the “alpha” version is like beta software in that it is for testing and shouldn’t really be run on a live server.

[John James Jacoby]

I will fully test this tomorrow. Thanks for pounding this out so quick.

[Sam Bauers]

A first attempt at getting WordPress 2.7 and bbPress 1.0 to play nice again is now in trunk [1862].

I’m specifically talking about “deep” integration, i.e. when you include WordPress inside bbPress to gain access to WordPress’ functions.

This will need a lot of testing, so please post any issues you have on the relevant Trac ticket, #972 (which will stay open until some more testing has occurred).

I recommend using the following code at the top of your bbPress bb-config.php file to include WordPress inside bbPress:

if ( !defined( 'ABSPATH' ) ) {

include_once( '/Full/Path/To/wp-load.php' );

}

Note that this includes “wp-load.php” not “wp-config.php” or “wp-blog-header.php”. This avoids running WordPress’ template loader which presumably isn’t needed inside bbPress. Some implementations may want it though, so if you find you need it then give it a go and let us know how that goes.

Also note that all filters and actions set in WordPress whether default or added by plugins or themes are cleared out completely. That means that plugins and themes installed in WordPress cannot add filters or actions to bbPress at all. This may have some implications I’m not aware of yet.

Go nuts!

[_ck_]

Speaking of OpenID I need more testers on the OpenID prototype to give me feedback. It works with both 0.9 and 1.0

https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/openid/

[Sam Bauers]

Kevin, the cookie and login integration that works with BB0.9 – WP2.5 also works with BB1.0 – WP2.6 or 2.7. The only issues remaining arise when you login via WordPress instead of bbPress, the simple fix for this is to redirect WordPress logins to bbPress, but I will be building a plugin to make this (and some other things) easier.

The “deep” integration issues where people load WordPress inside bbPress are still outstanding, and as I said may never be resolved and might eventually be unsupported. The XML-RPC functionality being developed is intended as a launching pad for people who need bbPress data inside their WordPress installs, I also expect that there will be some functionality written to get data going in the other direction as well. We are using this already “internally” with the BuddyPress forums component which communicates with bbPress 1.0 to provide group forums and eventually other functionality to that software. There is also already a plugin to pull some basic data from bbPress to WordPress widgets.

I don’t think you should blame Matt for XML-RPC being added either, I think it was mdawaffe who wanted pingbacks and I think I was the person who liked the idea of a complete XML-RPC server enough to actually write it.

Features tend to forge ahead when they have a champion for them and as the only major contributor to the code at the moment that kind of leaves it up to me as to what gets done. There has only been a small amount of thorough and reported testing of deep integration done by users so far who are actually trying to make it happen (see #972). That doesn’t exactly excite me to work on a feature that neither I nor the company I work for particularly need, especially when I already have a low opinion of the technique in the first place. In the same breath though, I understand that others may want it and I’m not actively trying to stop it from happening either. If someone fixed, patched it and put it in Trac, I would commit it with a smiley emoticon and a “props” in capital letters.

So in short, it needs someone to take the lead on it, if you want it done sooner rather than later.

Talking about community discontent by referring to the contents of these forums seems a bit disingenuous. These are support forums which by their nature invite people to announce their problems, all we can tell by it is that some people have problems with the software, sometimes. I’m pretty sure we aren’t getting every user coming through here. It’s not a gauge, and perhaps the dreaded Facebook page will help us find the people who don’t post here a bit more easily, perhaps it is something that can be used to gauge what the community mood is like. If anything it might give me a little comfort to know that a few people out there like what we’re doing here. My development time isn’t a zero sum game, I didn’t steal 30 minutes from my “writing code” time to setup that page. I need to enjoy myself while I work, maybe doing that helped me get through that particular day. At the other end of the tubes is me, a person. Hi. Nice to meet you.

On that personal note it isn’t nice to be blasted for something as cursory as not initiating topics in the forums for two months. I’ve been contributing to bbPress for almost two years now. There have been times when I’ve taken close to the full burden of support here, even before I worked for Automattic. Recently we got two community moderators who are very competent. _ck_ and chrishajer have been outdoing themselves around here. I have taken it a little easier for the past month while I focused on some other tasks.

I’m really only catching up on some of the more recent goings on around here, including your very interesting threads about the overall direction of bbPress. I completely want those conversations to happen, you make good points there too and I like the general direction of what you are saying, even though you make incorrect assumptions about some details. I wish I had been there in real-time to discuss it, but I will try to respond where I can.

Finally, bbPress is important to Automattic at the moment primarily as a tool for it’s own uses. Thus there is little or no promotion of it at this stage. If we gain some traction in the real world one day it might be treated like WordPress, but for now it will basically be whatever the people who contribute to it want it to be, and as usual when resources are limited, those who can write good bug reports or contribute real code will get their needs met first.

[_ck_]

testing:

bbPress is the #1 forum software for do-it-yourselfers

+ should maybe be {3,8} instead

backticks:

bbPress is the #1 forum software for do-it-yourselfers

nope, still broken in backticks.

testing some more:

Joe User

100 Main Street Suite #17

Anywhere, USA

nope In fact it removed the space between Suite and #17

[trac=123]see this ticket[/trac] or [trac]123[/trac] would be better.

Or just copy the entire url out of trac once you’ve looked up the number anyway.

[_ck_]

This is also straightforward to do, but I sure would like to know why someone would do such a thing.

You can’t mimic the post_position trick because no positioning is tracked by bbPress for topics. bbPress shouldn’t even use post_position anyway but it does it to accelerate the alternative looking up the position by date.

You’d have to do a mysql query that simulates the get_latest_topics but returns only topic_id’s and then find the position of the desired topic_id in the resulting array. Then you divide by number of topics per page and there’s your page number.

[kgosser]

Hey all,

So I’ve been checking out various forums to use for my business’ site, and I’ve got it paired down to bbPress and Vanilla. I’m leaning towards bbPress, but I have a few questions that I’m seeking answers to first. If anyone can help me out, it would be greatly appreciated!

(1) Is it available either by default or a plug-in to allow users to post <embed> or <object> snippets to show Flash files?

(2) Is there a plug-in available to allow image uploading to our server, or are all the ways to get an image to display within a thread by bb [img]code or the “Allow Images” plug-in?

(3) Would you consider bbPress’ theme customization to be about as equal (or easier) than WordPress’?

(4) Are there plug-ins to allow for either digg-style voting or normal 5-star voting? Being able to host community-driven contests is important for this project.

Thanks a lot in advance. One of the reasons I always use WordPress for my projects is because the community is one of the best on the Web, so I hope it rubs off a little bit for bbPress! Thanks again!

[kevinjohngallagher]

Hi Ipstenu,

I’m going to disagree with you a little mate, and try not to take it off topic too much.

Yes, each adjective is subjective to ones perspective. “easy” and “alot” etc. can mean different things to different people. That said, lets look at them a sec.

“extensive plugins?”

There are just under 120 plugins for BBPress.

Over 1/3rd haven’t been updated in a year. I’d wager a good few of them don’t work anymore.

And the ones with latest comments 6-12 months ago, usually don’t work either.

Also from what i’ve seen about 1/4 of them are redundant or useless in 0.9 / 1.0alpha.

So we’re looking at maybe 40-50 plugins.

Does anyone think that’s “extensive”?

I know it’s subjective, but, um, well you can make up your own mind.

“You CAN redesign the hell out of a bbPress site”

To a certain extent i’ll agree and disagree with it. To redesign a bbpress forum so that it doesn’t look like this theme actually takes a bucket load of work. I’ve done it for 3 websites, and every time it’s involved me writing full on plugins just to output the right code, or W3C acceptable code, or overwrite the damned code thats stored outwith the templates (why is that btw?).

Can i stop and ask that? WHY does a theme designer NEED to write alot of non basic php code as a separate to their theme plugin, just to over write HARDCODED design output? Since when was hardcoding design output into the core of a theme-able piece of software a good idea?

What you can’t do with bbpress, is hand a Designer/ HTML coder your template files and expect to get anything back that’s not a flat output of a table. It’s a point I raised a while ago (and i’ll not bang on about it) but BBpress works at doing one thing. Outputting a flat list from a database.

In terms of your all forums kinda look the same , i have to agree in this instance. Most forums, ipb/vBulletin/phpBB etc do all look the same. but guess what. bbpress doesn’t look much like them. I’ve stated before BBpress’s horrific handling of parent/children with categories etc. is bloody woeful; but if you’re talking about usability, then bbpress starts to fall down a little.

What it outputs is simple, yes, to the user, but it’s not very perceptive. Finding a specific post or vital information (say that 0.9 = WP2.5 – you know , something you’d expect to be on the documentation or download page but is actually on page 3 of a topic started 1 year ago) , is a disaster. It’s reliant on the user

who posted the content using TAGS appropriotely and ofc it requires a better search function.

Lets not forget that ‘tags’ are fairly new, and really only web savvy people use/know about them. A huge chunk of this software’s cross-pollination and iteration is taken out of the developers hands and placed smack bang in teh hand of the end user (whom we know nothing about nor can reply on).

Just because something is simple/plain, does not make it inherently usable.

Think Boo.com.

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Anyway, there are a number of things we’d all like to see fixed in bbpress. Some more vital than others. we’ll all agree and disagree on many, but my over riding feeling is this:

Our Clients, customers, friends, colleagues, schools, own sites, will at some stage like to, nah need to, be updated to the latest version of WordPress. it will vary from person to person, but at some stage you know that a wordpress upgrade is probably in the pipes.

But if you’re using BBpress, then you’ve been forced to hold off upgrading for over half a year. We will be/are a whole version behind, and surely someone can see that it’s got to be an issue.

I suppose what i dont understand is, and maybe i’m the only one, so please 100% feel free to explain it to me like an idiot.

if The most requested topic on this website is “wordpress integration”, and the singular fail point of the software is “wordpress integration”, and teh company that owns this software also own wordpress, and it happens to be your singular initial selling point of the software, um, well, WHY THE HELL HAS IT NOT BEEN THE ONLY PRIORITY AND FIXED IN THE 3 MONTHS SINCE 1.0ALPHA CAME OUT?

We’ve had other fixes, new code, new features, a facebook page (see i hadn’t forgotten), but yet without even a hint of when this base level feature might appear, we’re told it’s a moving target.

Please, explain it to me like a 5 year old, that hasn’t read the blog posts linking to the $29 million dollars investment, that also lead to Sam being taken on as a full time developer on bbpress (i.e. dont say no time/resources).