[johnhiler]

Hey citizenkeith… do you have bbPress benchmark installed?

https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/bb-benchmark/

I’d be interested in the number of queries/output time for your installs… I’ve seen a 10x speed difference in test installs and am wondering how common that is!

[kevinjohngallagher]

D’oh,

I hate when I reply to myself, but whenever people bring up Facebook Connect i try and remind them of how new Facebook is and how quickly social networking websites go from popular to past-tense (anyone trying to useMySpace connect???).

Facebook while monumentally huge, isn’t popular everywhere in the world, infact it’s popularity is very localised.

http://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/world-map-social-networks.jpg

http://www.hardknoxlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/facebook-heat-map.jpg

http://buzzcanuck.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c555153ef00e555100cc48834-500wi

Facebook is also popular with a certain demographic, a demographic that’s shown itself time and time again to be far more adaptable to registering/confirming/managing different user accounts that people of an older demographic. While Facebook Connect (like OpenID) is a great thing, its a feature that will mostly be used by people who would have signed up to comment anyway.

http://www.insidefacebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/20090201fbdemopie.png

http://www.insidefacebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/12-17-09-facebook-race-pic3.jpg

http://www.insidefacebook.com/2009/02/02/fastest-growing-demographic-on-facebook-women-over-55/

http://www.facebook.com/press/info.php?statistics

Focussing on something like Facebook Connect, which may be good for the latest forum you’re working on or the demographic you’re currently aiming towards, takes development time away from features that would be useful for every forum you deploy.

P.S. That’s not to say i wouldn’t like Facebook Connect or OpenId sign-in; its just that i’d rather be able to fully administer my forum first before we spent time on some proprietary software which may either change or become unpopular as time goes on.

[kevinjohngallagher]

OK, i may be a little off the reservation here, but for me the One feature that BBpress has seriously lacked has been… The ability to complete simple/standard Administration tasks form the Backend.

Heck, some of them cant even be done at all…

Why is it that we’ve not been able to move a post from one Topic to another for 2 years (since 0.7’s plugin stopped working for 0.9a)? That seems a fundamental to me.

Why is it that we cant move/edit/delete/administer topics (and/or posts) from the Backend?

Matt, i realise that you’re trying to get to grips with a community that’s been downtrodden for the last year, and you’re re-galvanising what’s left, and that’s all very cool. But may i strongly, and humbly suggest, that BBpress to made to work as a forum and then we go about adding things?

I know that could sound a little condescending, but 0.9 had loads of plugins (they were horribly organised but they existed), and infact development of plugins and functionality for BBpress only started to slow down once the 1.0.3a debacle kicked off. Without getting all historical out of the 10 features you’ve asked us to vote for on the Poll, 8 of them existed and were working in a stable plugin for 0.9.

The realism is, BBpress has been a moving target for way too long and while its really great that you’re stepping in (and it is – thank you) there were 9 months of sheer Project Management craziness that have scared alot of Plugin Developers away.

Please, before you go adding any crazy “the public have spoken and they want …” features, how about getting a Project Plan, a Trac with actual data (and not a Trac that’s 4-5 months out of date as you’re trying to release software you’ve decided not to beta test, even though the last alpha had a huge number of bugs), and give us a platform to once again build upon.

Many Thanks,

Kevinjohn

ex- http://www.bbprogress.com

[grassrootspa]

@ timskii, great observations. re: “There’s a risk of being unable to upgrade because a key plugin won’t work anymore” and “Joanna Average forum reader doesn’t care about any of that, and is probably keener on things like WYSYWYG, email, etc”:

This is exactly why some of the more widespread plugins and features should be incorporated into the core as optional features one can turn on or off. It seems silly to force someone to download a plugin and mess with the template to do basic bulletin board admin tasks like display how many times a topic has been viewed, throw an icon next to each forum topic, allow rich text for those posting.

My only major complaint after a year of bbPress use is the lack of features/polish that exist in vBulletin. Simply put, its just too bare after initial install. I know this will be extremely unpopular to many of you, but over the past couple years there have been many great plugins developed, like private messaging, TinyMCE/rich text, topic views, Allow Images, Smilies, User Directory, Members Online, Related Topics, Reputation, Top Posters, Terms of Service, and some of these features should really be incorporated into the Core as OPTIONS that can be turned and off. So should stuff like the ability to set default topic icons, human test for signups (@$%@%$ spam users), widgets for the sidebar, ability to delete topics, Post Rating, etc. I’m not saying every single feature out there should be incorporated, but what is the hangup with more stuff that can be optionally turned on or off in the admin? If its in the Core, its not going to break when a new version comes out, and additional plugins can be developed to customize those features even more!

Right now bbPress is VERY bare after initial install so multiple plugins are required to snazz it up…and you can’t even edit the css or template from inside the bbpress admin. And yes there are plugins for everything but the kitchen sink, but some of the older plugins don’t work in newer versions of bbPress! Not sure how many of use also use IntenseDebate, but bbPress software’s core admin should consider have some of the same stuff which can easily be turned on or off, like voting, reputation, smilies (http://intensedebate.com/features or http://intensedebate.com/plugins)

How cool would it be for a brand new bbPress install to optionally display which users are online, how many views a topic has, or topic icons right out of the box with no fiddling with the css or template files/additional plugin installs? I’m not saying a Nintendo emulator or Weatherbug display should be built in, but if bbPress remains so barebone, it won’t fill the free-easy-to-install easy-to-use vBulletin alternative niche (it should).

[af3]

oppss.. i think this works 9to show topis started by the user) to be shown in bp profile:

<h2>Latest Topics Started in Forum</h2>



<ul>

<?php

$query="SELECT * FROM bb_topics WHERE topic_status=0 AND topic_poster=$current_displayed_user ORDER BY topic_time DESC LIMIT 10";

$results=$wpdb->get_results($query);

foreach ($results as $result) {

echo "

<li><a>topic_id."'>".$result->topic_title."</a></li>

";

}

?>

</ul>

[Michael]

Yes, bbPress can have sub forums of sub forums of sub-forums. I have never tested how far it can go, however.

[gerikg]

or you can install this plugin: https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/super-search/#post-2325

works for the latest 1.1

[Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)]

Can people now use these plugins created and improve upon them so that they are now available in the latest version of BBpress?

Yes, that’s called GPL Just credit her original plugin in your spin-offs and make sure to release them under GPL.

[QuickD]

I understand that she is annoyed that she didn’t get much support financially in developing all of these plugins but is it professional to not recommend people continue on with BBpress. Can people now use these plugins created and improve upon them so that they are now available in the latest version of BBpress?

[Olympus]

Theme integration can still be performed without having to turn bbPress into a plugin, and in fact, it can be done via a simple CSS trick ( that means that the default CSS of bbPress should be rewritten so that it becomes more flexible, and every element ( forum tables, forms etc… ) should act as “objects” which can be automatically stretched vertically independently of their parents or I don’t know, where the parents will be objects in the WP stylesheet ) . So again, for theme integration, NO NEED TO TURN BBPRESS INTO A PLUGIN, because it’s just a CSS issue ( + little PHP coding, nothing serious ) !

Connecting the Admin sides of WP and bbPress ? This can be easily done via an OPTIONAL plugin ( or via XML-RPC calls, so that you can handle your bbPress forum even if it isn’t in the same host ) .

Turning bbPress into a plugin would be a nightmare, think of all the unnecessary WP calls … Why did I choose bbPress again ? To have a light forum or to have TWO frameworks ( WordPress and bbPress ) + unnecessary calls and files ?

The reason I choose bbPress at the beginning ( 3~4 years ago ) is because it’s from the creators of WordPress, so I hoped that it will be as easy to customize as WordPress, and that’s what I got ( even though, at the beginning it was really hard for me because I had to guess the function names, as there’s no Codex for bbPress ) and I’m very satisfied . I had the choice between bbPress, PunBB and Vanilla ( the lightest forums out there, and at the time, Vanilla had a greater number of plugins than bbPress ), but I stick with bbPress because it’s the easiest one to customize . So for those who think that bbPress can’t compete in the light forums market, you’re wrong !

[kevinjohngallagher]

The code is also 1 year old mate, and for a version of BBpress long since given up on since the RC1 was rushed out with no beta testing and very little alpha testing.

[zengyike]

in bb_post table there is lots of test post not been deleted,

i searched forum but i have no solve plan

[buddha-trance]

I tried what Ben L. suggested and it works fine even with a forum with no topics (in which case there is no topic title shown because there is none, and it shows a view count of 0)

I implemented it this way:

<td class="num"><a href="<?php $topic = $GLOBALS['topic'] = current( get_latest_topics( array( 'number' => 1, 'forum' => get_forum_id() ) ) ); ?>"><?php topic_title(); ?></a></td>

[plutopsyche]

I’m having this trouble too. I tried comparing everything that is topics.php, post.php, and post-form.php to the files in the kakumei theme, and there are no significant differences, yet the form won’t appear.

Example here: http://bookclub.plutonica.net/topic/test

I can create new topics as an admin and as a guest, but not reply to them. Any suggestions?

Thanks!

[Ben L.]

Oh! I see the problem! (Or at least one of them)

Try <?php $topic = $GLOBALS['topic'] = current( get_latest_topics( array( 'number' => 1, 'forum' => get_forum_id() ) ) ); ?>

[gerikg]

<tr<?php bb_forum_class(); ?>>

<td><?php forum_icon(); ?> <?php bb_forum_pad( '<div class="nest">' ); ?><a href="<?php forum_link(); ?>"><b><?php forum_name(); ?></b></a><br /><?php forum_description( array( 'before' => '<small>', 'after' => '</small>' ) ); ?><?php bb_forum_pad( '</div>' ); ?></td>

<td class="num"><?php forum_topics(); ?></td>

<td class="num"><?php forum_posts(); ?></td>

<td class="lastp"><?php $topic = $GLOBALS['topic'] = get_latest_topics( array( 'number' => 1, 'forum' => get_forum_id() ) ); ?><small>by <?php topic_last_poster(); ?><br />on <a href="<?php topic_last_post_link(); ?>"><?php echo date("D M j Y G:i:s", strtotime($topic->topic_time)); ?></small></a></td>

</tr>

results in

by

on Wed Dec 31 1969 19:00:00

[chrishajer]

gerikg – please post what you find. Maybe it’s a simple mistake that everyone is making, or you can show how the integration documentation needs to be updated to make this easier for everyone.

I know it’s sometimes easier to just go and fix stuff yourself instead of going back and forth in a forum trying to figure out what’s wrong, but I really do hope someone posts a procedure for integrating logins that will work for everyone. alpacino85 did what I think most reasonable people would do: download the most recent version of both software packages and then follow the latest integration instructions (even though they’re out of date), but that doesn’t seem to work. Lots of people have the same exact issue (logging into WordPress logs you our of bbPress or vice versa) so I hope there’s on little “gotcha” or “ah ha” that can be posted to take care of this for most people. Thanks.

[plutopsyche]

I tried the following:

<?php $topic = $GLOBALS = get_latest_topics( array( ‘number’ => 1, ‘forum’ => get_forum_id() ) ); ?><?php topic_last_post_link(); ?>

But all it returned was:

http://bookclub.plutonica.net/topic/#post-

Is there any documentation on the tags available with bbPress? I’ve tried searching this site and Google, but I can’t seem to turn up anything comprehensive.

Thanks.

[Ben L.]

Add <?php $topic = $GLOBALS['topic'] = get_latest_topics( array( 'number' => 1, 'forum' => get_forum_id() ) ); ?> before the snippet you posted. (Untested, but I think it will work)

[Gautam]

Michael, I am already working on bb Cumulus, and it is almost completed.

You can see it active on my test site – http://forum.gaut.am/

[buddha-trance]

OK, here is a possible quick workaround for now. Really late at night here, so I don’t have enough neurons to come up with a different solution.

The popular tags feature has a limit of 80 tags.

If you create another template and call it all-tags.php, put it in the forum directory, and use the call for the popular tags, but without the limit, it should work.

all-tags.php

<?php

require('./bb-load.php');

?>



<?php bb_get_header(); ?>



<div class="bbcrumb"><a href="<?php bb_uri(); ?>"><?php bb_option('name'); ?></a> &raquo; <?php _e('All Tags'); ?></div>



<p role="main"><?php _e('This is the list of all tags that are currently used on the forums.'); ?></p>



<div id="hottags">

<?php bb_tag_heat_map( 9, 38, 'pt' ); ?>

</div>



<?php bb_get_footer();

then call for youdomain.com/forums/all-tags.php

or the path where the file is

I don’t have that many tags, so I can’t test it.

At least, this is the principle, maybe there is another template code for that, like bb_get_tags or so…

[grassrootspa]

Just finished reading up…ecstatic to see this chat.

Random thoughts (from someone who has been periodically messing with this for a year and still learning the ropes):

-Don’t like the idea of eliminating bbPress’s stand alone ability and REQUIRING it be a WP plugin (some of us just want to run stand-alone forums without having to install WordPress first.) Prefer to keep it as a separate project.

-Love the idea of adding new OPTIONAL features to the bbPress core (bbPress 1.1) . Here are my top 6:

(1) Optional TinyMCE addition

(2) Ability to edit plugins and templates from within bbPress admin

(3) Ability to add widgets to certain areas without having to mess with the template (will be handy for easily editing ‘sidebar’ stuff from the admin page rather than having to play with the template code each time

(4) More Avatar/Gravatar options, such as easily adjusting their size on Profile pages and including instructions on how to get a Gravatar built into the ‘edit profile’ pages. People want to customize their forum character. Make it easier for them to do it right out of the box: display a click-able link to Gravatar.com!

(5) To combat spam registrations, build optional ‘Human Test’ and ‘Terms of Service’ registration page features (which can be further modified and tweaked by plugins/user modifications). I’m sure everyone else there has noticed ‘Spam’ user signups. A built-in human test and/or TOS box to check will go a long way in eliminating them!

(6) Better bozo management notification on the admin page (have numbers pop-up like for new comments and plugins in case a legitimate user has been marked as a bozo. I’ve had this happen a couple times because I didn’t check the bozo list.

-Pleased to hear bbPress.org design will be revamped and include Codex

-THRILLED to see folks from the message board helping bbPress.org and the overall project in various areas

-In summary, EXCITED about bbPress 1.1

[sockmoney]

Here is my latest forum:

NewParents.org

[Michael]

Greetings

I guess I could do the show off thing. Here’s mine: Dev:station

It has quite a lot of plugins installed – and everything works – though there may be a few bugs that I don’t know of.

Plugin List:

Admin Add User

Allow Images

Avatar Upload

BBCode Lite

BBCode Toolbar

bbPM

BBPress:SyntaxHiliter

bbPress Moderation Suite

bbPress Smilies

Bozo Users

Favicon

General Statistics (my own plugin)

Hot Tags Plus

Hot Topic

Human Test for bbPress

Indicate New Posts

Member List

bbPages

Post Count Plus

Project Honey Pot

Read-Only Forums

Related Topics

Reputation

Signatures

Simple Online List

Support Forum

Terms of Service

Topics per Page

Twitter

I know the address to this forum isn’t that great – I’ll be getting a .com domain for it some time next year (hopefully January).

Enjoy!

Michael

[Michael]

Hi Ben

I’m running quite a few:

Admin Add User

Allow Images

Avatar Upload

BBCode Lite

BBCode Toolbar

bbPM

BBPress:SyntaxHiliter

bbPress Moderation Suite (obviously )

bbPress Smilies

Bozo Users

Favicon

General Statistics (my own plugin, not the problem – have tested it extensively)

Hot Tags Plus

Hot Topic

Human Test for bbPress

Indicate New Posts

Member List

bbPages

Post Count Plus

Project Honey Pot

Read-Only Forums

Related Topics

Reputation

Signatures

Simple Online List

Support Forum

Terms of Service

Topics per Page

Twitter

Unread Posts (I should disable this one as I already have Indicate New Posts enabled)

I have gone through and disabled each one – this did not solve the problem.

Any help would be great. Thanks