[quiktipz]

I would if I could….but I can’t even login to my WP admin. I will head over there as well….just thought you might be able to help me too

[kevinjohngallagher]

Im saying that if its not that ideal, then its not working.

And what i’m saying is, you’re wrong.

Working is working. Ideal is ideal. I can’t think of one, not one, piece of software that is ideal. Infact, i can’t think of one thing in the world that is ideal. Ideal is something we aim for, working is just the minimum we accept. If you have higher standards – awesome!

We all want things to be better, but we have limited resources. The more time we spend on things that do work, but could be better, is more time away from things that don’t work.

P.S. Dont’ say things aren’t working because you don’t like how to make them work. I said that about my wife once, don’t think she’s ever forgiven me

[Marius-]

I have no technical understanding, and still I managed to install BBpress already. Im not agreeing with your argument that BBpress requires PHP-skills.

It has worked great for almost a year now, and it is a forum software that has gotten quite far already. It just need polishing and simplifying.

I dont think a plugin works unless it functions 100% out of the box. You shouldnt have to go into the code at all. Thats not userfriendly. So here is me, an end user wanting something to be ideal, and you admit it to not being ideal.

Im saying that if its not that ideal, then its not working.

[kevinjohngallagher]

Marius,

If something works, even if you have to do some of the work yourself, then it works.

If it doesn’t work – report the bug and we’ll try and help.

But saying things don’t work because it’s not ideal or as easy as you’d like isn’t helping us to help you and you’re passionate about bbPress, we want to help you

[kevinjohngallagher]

I’m going to presume you meant “thanks for the help”

Akismet is great at catching a high percentage of spam, especially on Blogs. It’s not all of course but it’s a high percentage. Sadly it sometimes catches non-spam incorrectly. Considering it’s a free service, it’s not a huge issue for a blog. That said, blog posts are generally different to forum posts, and as a result Akismet is far less accurate for forums. It still catches a high percentage of spam, just not as high as it does for blogs and it marks way more things as spam when it’s not.

Why do I want this again?

It’s a free service, it does catchs alot of the spam, it’s better than nothing.

[Marius-]

Polls: The plugin made by CK for an outdated version of BBpress, does not work with the current version.

Chatbox: Not a shoutbox, a chatbox thats designed in such a way that its easy for several people to communicate with each other. Not just post a shoutmessage.

Custom avatar: None of the avatar scripts works with 1.02, unless you go in to the the code, change it, change properties on the server etc.

Auto forum moderation: Has no admin panel, no instructions, does not work properly with 1.02.

I have tried all these plugins you mention we have, and believe me, if they was working properly, I would have had them on my forum. But I dont.

[kevinjohngallagher]

Marius mate,

we have these things. I’m the first to say it’s not ideal, but we have the things you’ve asked for

1) Polls.

We have polls.

2) Chatbox.

There’s a shoutbox plugin on the bbProgress website. Works with 0.9 and 1.0.2. Been there for over a year.

3) Custom Avatar.

We have that.

4) Administrate posting for users.

We have that, all apart from the minimum word thing, because thats something YOU want and not something needed as standard. But i gave you the 6 lines of code to fix that.

[Marius-]

I will, check back on this later.

The problem is this: No save button on polls during topic creation. Using BBPress v1.02. Code untouched.

[uhclem]

I am new to all this and, frankly, it’s VERY confusing!

I wish there was a place where newbies could go to read about and learn the very basics.

For example, I would like to use Akismet.

But there’s nothing that explains it to folks like me.

I made an account and have a key, but I have no clue what to do with this key!

I know you coders are all really smart, and we noobs are really stupid, but how ’bout one of you humble yourself and put up a step-by-step guide for the virtually retarded among us?

[kevinjohngallagher]

If your PHP knowledge is little, bbPress and specifically user created plugins with no admin section are not ever going to be a reliable solution. We’ve really only had a reliable admin section for 7 months, and very few plugins have been written since then.

In this instance, and for your own needs, the best way to do this is via JavaScript. Googling an example is easy, should only be really 5-6 lines of code, and you won’t need to know any PHP or bbPress commands.

It should, in theory, look like this:

$(‘form’).submit(function() {

if( $(‘input#post_content’).val().length < 20 )

{

alert(” Please write more than 20 letters “);

return false;

}

});

Of course you’ll have to check the code yourself and put it in your theme, but that *should* work.

[kevinjohngallagher]

Marius mate,

Testing these things on a local/development enviroment first is really going to help you. bbPress plugins sometimes require quite a bit of web-dev knowledge, and being able to work out all the hic-ups on your own machine before letting your users see it will make your life alot easier

By the looks of it, yourself and JohnHiller could be on different timezones, I’m on all day fixing the last few bugs in the bbProgress admin section, so shout if it goes back up and we’ll try and help.

[kevinjohngallagher]

Hi Tom,

Apprecaite the update mate, thanks

This is actually great info, as we had no idea that the documentation section was actually being edited, i personally haven’t looked through it in 6 months.

[Marius-]

I got like thirty users who are all twelve year olds, it would have been a mess, sorry. I can turn it on again tonight, when they have all gone to bed

[johnhiler]

Marius- That’s an option in the admin: “Ask for poll during new topic creation? (requires AJAX on)”.

Set that to yes, and also this one: “Use AJAX-like actions if javascript enabled?”… and it should work!

[Marius-]

Nightgunner, if you read this – I had to delete this plugin instantly.

First of all, theres no admin panel. So I dont really know what Im installing or not with your plugin.

Second of all, I tried to recode the format to UTF-8, which supports Norwegian character ÆØÅ. This resulted in error messages from the server, about headers and stuff I have no clue about.

Thirdly, when hitting the back-button, it returns you to the front page, which confuses members.

I just wanted one plugin that makes people write longer posts. But this one said nothing about posts being too short as Ben L. implied. It said “You have to actually submit some content”, which educationally demoralises a users will to post. They might think their posts are stupid, which in all truth, they are, but to get a successfull forum, you cant tell people that, you must encourage them. And being an idiot at PHP, I found no way to make this happen in the code.

[Ashish Kumar (Ashfame)]

In your front-page.php

<div id="hottags" role="main">

<h2><?php _e('Hot Tags'); ?></h2>

<p class="frontpageheatmap"><?php bb_tag_heat_map(); ?></p>

</div>

bb_tag_heat_map() is what you want to avoid.

A function call means some processing, involving database queries etc. You surely wants to remove all the unused stuff for top notch performance

[Marius-]

Damn damn damn. That CSS code worked like a charm. Had to try two times before it worked, place it in the beginning of Structure in the CSS.

Everything is gone!!! Great!

[Jeremy Winter]

I am working on a plugin to allow the following tags to be inserted into post by users.

<video>

-src

-type

<source>

-src

-type

Are their any security concerns I am not thinking of at the moment? I could make the plugin only work for Admins, but that is just not as much fun

[johnhiler]

I came across some disturbing bugs with Bozo, including the “random users are being marked as Bozos” one mentioned above… I don’t know if it’s fixed now, but it caused so many problems I figured I didn’t need the headaches.

Akismet comes and goes in terms of quality: it’s usually fairly reliable, but then it will freak out for a week or two and produce lots of false positives. That’s why I’ve come up with so many ways to route around it…

I still find it useful, but Akismet probably shouldn’t be checking posts by Admins or users with lots of posts already in the system… that’s just begging for problems!

[Submachiner]

Not sure about her being hit with Bozo. But after looking up the link you provided, that could be the culprit. But if it is, why would the system go and label a user as spam? Especially when the user has never made any kind of spam content.

I don’t see much point in Akismet considering lately its been spamming non-spam then spam. But would there be any repercussions of turning the system off? And maybe if there is something more “suitable” that can replace the spam system?

I’ve forwarded this over to the admin. Hopefully this helps. Thanks for the reply and support

[johnhiler]

I’m not really clear on the advantages of 1.0 using BackPress… it seemed like a huge amount of work, and I’m not clear at all on the benefits – especially since last I heard, the WordPress release wasn’t fully using BackPress yet.

Has that changed – are bbPress and WordPress using a shared BackPress codebase?

[paulhawke]

“bbPress without backpress” is not the same as “bbPress 0.9”

In version 0.9 there was bbPress specific code to perform a variety of functions. Those method calls were migrated to use a sub-set of the WordPress codebase (“backpress”). That became version 1.0 … and what was done was to move from “a subset of WordPress” to “the whole of WordPress”.

A more accurate statement would therefore be that bbPress specific code was dropped, it moved to using WP features divorced of the rest of WP, and then was made to work with WP as a whole — a continuation of forward momentum and not a step backward at all.

[Scott Kingsley Clark]

r-a-y,

Thanks for your interest in the project! It’s definitely heading in that direction

[kevinjohngallagher]

So this will be another of my unpopular posts, i’ve had a whole week of working on bbPress, so this is my 3rd of the week – apologies to all.

It’ll really help this conversation if you read http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/future-of-bbpress#post-60022 which is written by the wonderful Andy Peatling who has integrated bbPress with BuddyPress (and therefore into WordPress). Basically, he is the authority on the matter.

I bring this up because I thought today, what the heck are we doing? WordPress integration is the single most asked for feature, it’s the reason a large number of people choose bbPress, and according to Matt:

Strategically the most important thing we need to figure out is how to integrate bbPress better with WP

-http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/future-of-bbpress

Ok, but if we look at what Andy has said, in order for this to happen we need to remove BackPress from bbPress. Except… 90% of the changes from bbPress0.9 to bbPress1.0 was adding BackPress.

So, if integration is the plan (even as a plugin), and integration = no backPress, then whatever platform we build the fully integrated bbPress out of is bbPress without BackPress, or as we commonly call it bbPress0.9.

So then why are we building on top of bbP1.0, when we’re going to have to port that code back to 0.9 in the future or worse, attempt to combine the two. Why are we focussing on features that are already in WordPress as standard, given that they will work as via the WP functions once integrated.

How far down the rabbit hole are we going to go before we take a slightly longer term look?

Anyone have any thoughts for a Friday evening?

[kevinjohngallagher]

Any webmaster that isn’t really tech savvy…

bbPress is not aimed at non-tech-savvy people. Infact the same with WordPress really. Editing of files and the ability to use FTP is a must or the thing won’t work (you have to edit and upload a config file).

Editing or changing anything involves some basic-PHP knowledge really, and this is pretty much always going to be the way of it – if you don’t got for a premium theme/framework/plugin.

It’s unbelievable actually in this day and age.

We hear this from time to time, and i can’t understand why it comes up. But it comes down to “basic” features and what is now considered “standard” features for forums. The difference is that “basic” features are things that forums need to do it’s job. “Standard” features are from a personal perception based on what other forum solutions have – that doesn’t make them any less valid as feature requests.

bbPress is always going to be feature-less in comparison to other forums out there, with the reliance on people writing plugins or editing the code to customize things for themselves – thats an aim, not a side effect. As much as the people on this forum try and help out those that are new or not quite sure, the realism is we’re years away from a free “out of the box” solution for 90% of the requests people make.