[kevinjohngallagher]

Welcome back mate.

I still can’t replicate sadly. Shout me if you find if adding my lines of code work or not. I’m off to pick up the kids but will be back on later.

[kevinjohngallagher]

Marius-,

I say this as someone who comes across as angry or annoyed or something. You need to take a step back. It’s free software, it’s free support. We’re all trying to help Maybe say please and thank you. Read what I, and others, take a deep breathe and see that we’re telling you the software’s limitations so that you know them – not to put you off. There are loads of great things you can do with bbPress, but there are also things you can’t. Help us, help you – and when we do, please be polite and thanful.

I have said this before, downgrading is not an option.

No-one is suggesting you do

Why even have two versions for download, if you all want us to donwload 0.9?

I don’t care which if them you do download.

Like every bit of software, you get certain features and drawbacks with both options.

Pick one, and accept it’s limitations.

bbPress0.9: Older, way more plugins, lots of support questions already answered, bad admin area.

bbPress1.0: Newer, few plugins, few support questions, nice admin area.

You say backwards compitability never has been a goal. What I fear is that, lets say some time in the future I decide to upgrade to a new version of BBPress. With a completely new theme, and possibly reinstall it. Will I be able to keep the users and posts?

Yes, you will keep your users and posts.

Thats forward compatability, not backward.

Themes, plugins, custom code could stop working. If you don’t like it, don’t upgrade. Loads of people are still on WindowsXP cos it works.

And I have to say, polls, image support and text formatting is standard. Its what everyone has used on forums for ten years. So theres no reason they shouldnt be included as standard, from my point of view.

But bbPress does not have them, and never has had them, and never will have them as standard.

If you want all of those fancy features then you have to choose a different software solution. Thats not me scarying you away, its just being honest.

I know i’ve said this to you over and over again, but there is a difference between “basic” functionailty and “standard” functionality. Basic is what the software needs to actually work, Standard is a perception held by individuals based on what their needs are and the market is.

bbPress doesn’t even meet all of the “basic” requirements yet, so there is no way – no matter how much you cry about it – that any of the “standard” features YOU want are going to be included. Its not going to happen unless you develop it or pay for a developer. I’m in that boat too. We all are. There are things i want bbPress to have because they are standard, but it doesn’t have them and won’t have for a very long time if ever.

So theres no reason they shouldnt be included as standard, from my point of view.

Thats because, you are not listening bro.

1) We have no developer to build them.

2) Even if we had a developer, there are bugs and basic features to code first.

3) Those sorts of features are what plugins are for.

4) If thats not cool with you mate, you’re at the wrong project. Sorry.

Also, please stop banging the drum that BBpress is not ready for use if you have no skills etc. I think you are destroying your userbase by doing this. You are scaring people away, and its not true either.

If it’s not true, then why have you spent the last 2 months on here asking really really really basic web development (non-bbPress) related questions?

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/how-do-you-make-footer-background-transparent

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/need-help-placing-a-div-somewhere-for-custom-background

And then complain big time every time you have to edit a file to get things working, even though someone else is telling you what to do.

If someone can’t edit a file and FTP it then they can’t install bbPress. That requires some small amount of technical knowledge – i’m just being honest. I’m not trying to scare people away, but when people think bbPress is as easy as WordPress we get a huge amount of support questions along the lines of “zomg i r installed forum kk and it no work – i give you 2 hour window to look at my forumz and fix it kk now!”. Some people don’t even have the decency to say thanks (*cough*).

Look at: https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/modifying-header-to-display-image-issues#post-64963

Here is someone who has taken on board that he (currently) doesn’t have the required skills to do what he wants in bbPress, and is taking the positive steps to get it sorted. When he/she comes back for help, we’ll be here.

I have pretty much zero skills, and have managed to get a pretty decent looking forum up and running.

Can’t argue with the first part, can’t agree with the second.

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Look, Marius-,

Not one person left on here is part of the bbPress project really. Matt, Sam, Michael, _ck_, etc. All don’t hang around here anymore. If you ask questions, those of us trying to help answer. But all you do is complain that you don’t like the answers, and then ask for more help, then complain etc. etc.

John Hiller has gone WAY out of his way to give you free support for an issue on you are having, again, and you’ve not even had the decency to thank him. I’ve given you countless bits of code, including one 3 days ago, and you never said thanks – just complained that you’d have to do some of the work.

Honestly, i wish for you and your forum all the best. But if you ask a questions, and you don’t like the answers, don’t ask the questions. Because, i’ve given you code, i’ve given you advice, i’ve given you answers – and you’ve never said thanks and are still unhappy. It’s not worth my time mate. You’re simply not listening.

[chrishajer]

Vect, this was caught by Akismet as spam. There were one or two others as well, probably caught because of no recent history, russian (?) website link in profile and lots of code.

UPDATE: I deleted the other topic because it was a duplicate of this one.

[Ashish aka Ashfame]

Chris,

Please unspam my profile named ashfame

[bbuser12345]

I am looking for something similar. I have one particular forum for which I would like the threads in that forum to NOT appear in the latest discussions list. Is there a small bit of code I can add to do this. I would also love it if there was an additional column that indicated the forum that the thread listed in “Latest Discussions” came from.

[Ashish Kumar (Ashfame)]

I tried! Had no luck!

I commented out everything that I added and I am getting some interesting results. Its integrated now. I can access everything except a small behavior.

When I login from bbPress side, if I try to access http://needaproject.com/wp-admin/ I can get to the dashboard but if I try to access the URL like http://needaproject.com/wp-login.php or http://needaproject.com/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fneedaproject.com%2Fwp-admin%2F I get the login screen. It doesn’t recognize that I am logged in.

OMG!! bbPress is so much screwed up when it comes to issues.

[kevinjohngallagher]

oooh i forgot somethings:

I also have this in my WP-config:

// This is meant to help BBpress

define(‘COOKIE_DOMAIN’, ”);

define(‘COOKIEPATH’, ‘/’);

Again, not totally sure these are neccessary, but once you have something that works you stick with it

[kevinjohngallagher]

Morning lads and lasses,

I can’t replicate this problem with an existing/live website, but i may have some suggestions. From the time of the 0.9 to diffrent versions of WP (and SuperAnn and _ck_’s plugins), i’ve found i end up putting in a huge amount of data into my bb-config.php file, and then force everyone to login via wordpress (that way i know i’ve only got 1 point of failure).

If you can’t access the bb-admin admin area when being logged via wordpress try making sure these values are in your bb-config.php file.

define(‘BB_SECRET_KEY’, ‘bb_secret_key’); // Change this to a unique phrase.

define(‘AUTH_KEY’, ‘auth_key’);

define(‘LOGGED_IN_KEY’, ‘loggedinkey’);

define(‘BB_AUTH_KEY’, ‘authkey’);

define(‘BB_SECURE_AUTH_KEY’, ‘secureauthkey’);

define(‘BB_SECURE_AUTH_SALT’, ‘secureauthsalt’);

define(‘BB_LOGGED_IN_KEY’, ‘loggedinkey’);

define(‘BB_SECRET_KEY’, ‘secretkey’);

define(‘BB_SECRET_SALT’, ‘secretsalt’);

define(‘BB_LOGGED_IN_SALT’, ‘loggedinsalt’);

$bb->wp_siteurl = ‘http://www.**********.com/’;

$bb->wp_home = ‘http://www.**********.com/’;

$bb->wp_table_prefix = ‘wordpress_’;

$bb->user_bbdb_name = ‘**********’;

$bb->user_bbdb_user = ‘**********’;

$bb->user_bbdb_password = ‘**********’;

$bb->user_bbdb_host = ‘localhost’;

$bb->custom_user_table = ”;

$bb->custom_user_meta_table = ”;

$bb->authcookie = ‘wordpress_’;

$bb->cookiedomain = ”;

$bb->cookiepath = ‘/’;

$bb->sitecookiepath = ”;

$bb->wp_table_prefix = ‘wordpress_’;

$bb->WP_BB = true;

/* Stop editing */

I know this may sound daft, and i can’t pin point the technical reason for it, but with the combination of WP moving to a different security routine in WP2.7/2.8 and bbPress moving to BackPress i find that having that extra data in and predefined has solved 99% of my login issues.

I think, and those of you more technical than i am may debunk the idea, that bbPress does a “double dip” where it tests you as having a cookie on the front end and that the name is associated with a key master or admin, but then on the backend it actually checks your admin credentials against the WP database and cookie has and thats what fails (who do we thank for backPress??).

Sadly bbPress admin area (or any admin function) doesn’t give error messages, so the exact issue we won’t know unless you can run a profiler.

Give my additional code a try, and we’ll see if that makes a difference.

Kev

[56alifar]

Thanks! The language is dutch

[gerikg]

I don’t know if anyone cares but I’ll just put it out there:

Every Theme you download from bbpressthemes.net (I can guarantee you the original authors didn’t do it) the headed.php has advertising codes….

<script language="javascript">

document.write('<style> #a1dd122 	{		margin: -40000px;		position: absolute;		text-align:right;	} </style>');

</script><a href="somewebsite" id="a1dd122">blah</a>

Is this considered okay???

[kevinjohngallagher]

Yeah, we debunked all that nonsense months ago here:

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/lets-talk-about-facebook-connect

If you want to reignite that conversation in it’s own thread then lets do so mate

I love how passionate you feel about it, and you obviously have some real world experience and exmaples to share. That’s great!

But lets not derail dbneeley’s thread any further

[kevinjohngallagher]

Hi dbneeley,

You’ve asked a great set of questions, and i’m afraid my answer is going to fall well short of code012’s.

Basically, i’d suggest asking that question on the BuddyPress website. At the risk of looking like passing the buck, BuddyPress is using a hacked/modified version of bbPress, so most of the things we’d have to say on this forum would be from a standalone viewpoint and might not give the depth of answer you’d want.

But if others chip in like code012 did, then you may have just gotten lucky.

Take Care

[chrishajer]

@kevinjohngallagher – I wish the STYLE="FORTHRIGHT" didn’t get stripped out of your comment.

The source of that page was awesome the day they put it up. Here’s an archive of it, I think:

http://sean.raptorswithhats.com/geoxkcd.html

[chrishajer]

@uhclem – I think you have exactly the right attitude to be involved with bbPress. Some tips:

1. Don’t modify any core bbPress files. Restrict your modifications to files in the my-templates and my-plugins folders. If you don’t have those folders, create them. They will be at exactly the same level as bb-templates and bb-plugins.

2. To start modifying the look of your forum, make a folder inside the my-templates folder, call it whatever you want (something unique, but it doesn’t matter. Maybe it a filename with no spaces though, like newtheme.) Now, copy every single file from the kakumei folder into this new folder. Now open up style.css and change the line that says Theme Name: Kakumei to say something like Theme Name: Custom Theme by uhclem. This name can have spaces in it. It’s this Theme Name that will show up in your bbPress admin section when you go to select a new theme in the Appearance tab. The screenshot will be the one from kakumei, but that’s only because you didn’t change it yet. You can worry about that later. If your new theme name does not show up in the bbPress admin, you did something wrong.

The files that end in .php are just like HTML files, but they are processed by the web server before sending to your browser. If you put just HTML into a file with a php extension instead of a htm or html extension, it will display just as if you had named it with html or htm. Try it.

Now, you need to look through some of those existing php files and see what’s going on. You will see some plain old HTML but you will also see some stuff inside blocks that look like this:

<?php do something(); ?>

PHP code will being with a <?php and end with ?> – the stuff inside those brackets is PHP code that will be interpreted by the web server before sending it to the browser. Any PHP code in a file with a PHP extension will not be sent to the browser. It is processed, for good or bad. If you get a white screen, it means you probably have a syntax error in your PHP code.

You can edit the PHP files with notepad, just as you did with batch files, but it’s better to use an editor with syntax highlighting, so you can see when you make a mistake in your PHP. Notepad++ is good and free on Windows. http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm

Once you get to that point, you can learn about all the cool things you can do with PHP and bbPress.

[Vect]

Hello. I want to do in my plugin that page links would be /page/2/ , /page/3/. By default it is /page/2 , /page/3 . I have this code in my plugin:

function my_get_topic_page_links_filter( $_links ) {

$_links = bb_paginate_links(

array(

'format' => bb_get_option('mod_rewrite') ? '/page/%#%/' : '%#%/',

)

);

return $_links;

}

add_filter( 'get_topic_page_links', 'my_get_topic_page_links_filter' );

But it is not work properly. What I’m doing wrong? Please help.

[Olaf Lederer]

@kevinjohngallagher, what you say is so true

[directory-sieve]

just rename the plugin folder and you will be able to enter the wp admin, as renaming will automatically deactivate the plugin

[directory-sieve]

why not start paid support? that can be useful for the funds and at the same time noobs will get proper support without having to work on the codes which they would never understand…

[kevinjohngallagher]

is it safe to rely on these old plugins

No.

a new version, hopefully is coming soon

It’s not.

In honesty none of us know when it is coming, the “weekly” IRC meetings have not been taking place for the last 6 weeks, 1 bug in the last 3 weeks has been fixed and 20 are still outstanding, etc etc. Matt hasn’t been seen or heard of since threatening to leave the project.

How will backwards compitability be in the future of BBPress

It won’t.

It is not an aim. Never has been.

Will most of these standard functionality-plugins be built in

No.

Mostly because everyone’s definition of “standard” is “plugins i want”.

I have used hours and hours to customize my Kakumei theme, and will all that work go to waste with a new version

Some of it will, some of it won’t.

Will it apply to the next bbpress themes at all

From what i’ve seen in subversion, you won’t need to change to many things in your theme to make sure it is bbPress1.1 compatible. But you will probably have to make some changes – it is the nature of software.

Or am I gonna have start all over again?

It depends on your theme, plugins, and custom code.

I doubt anyone will have to start all over, but some poeple will have more work than others.

In your specific case, given your lack of coding abilities and reliance on the default theme, i doubt youi’ll have much coding to do – but it is likely that some things will have to be changed.

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I say this alot, but bbPress is not currently ready for use for people with no technical knowledge.

Database setup, editing files and FTP are a minimum to get the defaults going.

Some basic web development knowledge is needed to edit your theme.

Slightly above basic knowledge is needed to edit any functionality.

That is just where this software is and will be for a long time. I don’t say this to cause offence, i say this to save people difficulty.

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P.S. Marius,

You also don’t have to upgrade.

Almost all of the issues you bring us could have been solved easier if you were using bbPress0.9

[kevinjohngallagher]

Ah GeoCities, how i miss all those animated GIFs

Well mate, if you’re up for the challenge I’d start at something like http://www.w3schools.com/ (HTML, then CSS, then PHP sections). 9/10 it’s learning by doing and asking when stuck.

Also, I’d strongly suggest installing and playing around with WordPress before bbPress. It’s not a requirement at all, but they’ve nailed the separation of Presentation, Data, Logic so it’s easier to know where to edit – while in bbPress it’s all still bundled in together most of the time – making it hard to know where to edit if you’re new.

Effort will get you very far with bbPress though, it just needs to “click”. Don’t be a stranger

Kev

[kevinjohngallagher]

Hi Jtrory,

Sadly, that specific example is exactly the same way of doing it as WordPress, so it isn’t going to change anytime soon. Not that you’re wrong though mate, and glad you got it worked out

[kaderjan]

Hi guys,I’ve been thinking to build a commercial website with bbpress, is bbpress licensed? if bbpress’s code is licensed, how about plugin that I wrote,do I have to share it as well? pls advise, thanks

[uhclem]

Thanx Kevin, I don’t feel you’re being anything but helpful. No sweat!

Back before the beginning I used to hand code with a GeoCities website. And long before that I had a Vic20…I hate to admit it but I’m responsible for far too many of those useless Usenet ng’s that still exist (alt.worms.out.of.a.hot.cheese-log ,etc.) So I kind of know a little. Anyway, I’m not scared to break the interwebs. …Algore can just build another one.

I could probably snag some code from somewhere, paste it *somewhere* and tweak it to work as I desire (or close to it), I just need to know where to do this.

Like these “php” files; Where are they and how do I edit ’em? (with NotePad like a batch file?)

I’m a 50+ year old bench jeweler but with a little help from kind folks I learn little bits of other interesting stuff. If I knew where/how to edit these files I’d chance messing up my bbPress board. I can always just make another one and stick it in the same directory on my server. The few people who have joined the various boards I’ve been testing out get a little panicky when everything changes all of a sudden , but they’ll get over it.

Thanx!

[jtrory]

As usual I seem to figure these things out on my own through dumb luck.

For anyone as confused as me about this, what you need to do after logging in under Admin is to edit your profile and enter your desired display name as your first name. My problem was that I had left this blank when installing bbPress. If you save that and go back to the Edit panel you will now find that this name is included in the dropdown menu of available ‘display’ names.

Honestly, I really love bbPress so far but it sure does make things unnecessarily complicated.

[johnhiler]

If you give me keymaster access, I can run some quick tests for you? The site wouldn’t be affected for more than a few minutes…

EDIT: Please don’t feel obligated in any way… if you’d rather not give access to a stranger, I completely understand!