[kevinjohngallagher]

Hi Taeo!

Thanks for the link, but I feel that you’re way off base.

For those who can’t skip it, here’s the WPtavern recap:

http://www.wptavern.com/mattnote-from-wordcamp-san-francisco

[Matt] even admitted that right now, it would be better off to use another plugin rather than bbPress.

Can anyone explain to me how it was helpful of Matt to do that?

He’s not managing expectations, he’s merely degrading the work people are doing. Note, Matt’s not done this with ANY of his other projects on the go.

The bbPress community was a bit rough around the edges and the flame war that ensued forced Matt to break away for a bit.

First, I think this is quite insulting, but that aside, if Matt thought we were rough around the edges, why has there only been 1 moderator on the forums since July last year?

Anyway, I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. This is total and utter bull***. Matt is an awesome bloke, great on so many levels, but have a read at the “FLAME WAR” (haha). It’s here:

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/whats-happening-with-bbpress/page/5

Have you ever seen a nicer and more polite flame war in your life? In fact, don’t you feel (apart from 1 idiot) that this is a crazily civilised conversation??

Honestly, I think it’s a very fascinating read. Especially given that the main posters (the people who posted twice in reply to Matt’s posts) are the current Main Developer and the ONLY Moderator. And in my eyes, that’s the problem.

Matt realised that no-one agreed with him, he wasn’t weighing up arguements and helping solve a problem, he arranged weekly dev meets and IRC chats and disappeared without telling anyone for 4 weeks and came back with sweeping changes and wasn’t happy when people called him out on it.

I like to point this out every now and then:

http://ma.tt/2009/08/kill-your-community/

It’s written by some clever fellow who cares about communities on the internet and knows a thing or two about building great ones around open source software.

• Don’t Moderate.

  Make sure you only have 1 moderator on the forums. Make sure that everyone else with moderator or above status doesn’t visit the forums for a minimum of 6 months.

• Allow Spam Through.

  And make sure that a lot of legitamate posts are caught instead. Only have 1 moderator so that it can go days before real posts are displayed

• Don’t Participate in Comments.

  Less than 20 posts in 7 years? Matt.

  Less than 5 posts in the last 18 months? Trent

  Less than 5 posts in the last year? mdawaffe

  Sam. Would anyone say that Sam was a participant in these forums while he was the lead dev?

• Design Like NASCAR.

  Design’s a tricky/subjective thing. It is/was disappointing to rollout this theme with 30% of the pages not themed, and not tested on the fonts specified making the quite inreadable.

• Abandon Search Engines

  Anyone tried searching on bbPress?

• No Subscriptions

  Email subscriptions plugin was working with bbPress0.9 (and 0.8.3 as I recall, though I might be wrong). Either way, thats over 2 years folks.

• Make People Click Click Click.

  Have you ever tried to moderate your bbPress users?

  Don’t worry, Anonymous Posting is coming instead. WE’ve only had that as a plugin for 2.5 years. But you moderating your forum? Puh-lease. just you clicky click click.

• Treat Everyone the Same.

  1 moderator. Everyone else, regardless of what they do for the project is the same.

• Don’t Ask Anything of Your Audience.

  In fairness both Matt and Sam have had 1 poll each.

  They just abandoned the poll’s voting and reversed decisions at a later date – making the poll useless (actually, it’s kind of worse, it means they asked then ignored us).

I really detest forum posts that attack people personally. I often wonder/worry if my phrasing makes people feel like i’m having a go, when really I don’t mean to. This isn’t about Matt the person – he’s very cool, and I’ve alot of time and respect for him.

This is about the person at the top of the tree making decisions that someone else already pointed out to be a mistake. Those decisions/mistakes result in actions that “kill your community”. It just so happens that both of these people are Matt

[zaerl]

More than one hour of Matt is too much for me and it seems that “videopress” doesn’t let me skip the video.

The day bbPress will become a WordPress plugin, ehm, a core plugin I will run away fast. I began using bbPress cause it’s light software in a world of bloatware. If I need to load all WordPress 3 AND then all bbPress the “light” adjective will not be more valid.

[Taeo]

In case you didn’t it’s up on the WordPress 3.0 launch post – scroll down a bit.

http://wordpress.org/development/2010/06/thelonious/

If you work with WordPress in addition to bbPress I urge you to check it out. You’ll get alot of insight into how Matt sees things going in the future and how they (Automatic) approach open source.

If you don’t work with WordPress I still urge you to check it out! Towards the end a woman asks a question about the state of bbPress. He answers very frankly and cites these very forums.

I know there are many people on these forums right now that are not thrilled with Matt and Automatic’s handling of bbPress over the past year or so. For me his comments in this video really puts things in perspective and I now feel very good about the future of bbPress.

Earlier in the video Matt discusses how the WordPress team is planning on trying something new and releasing what he calls “core plugins” for WordPress 3 – basically large scale plugins that add powerful functionality and are officially supported by Automatic. I foresee bbPress becoming one such plugin.

Anyways enough of me telling you about it, go watch the video!

[garrik]

Thanks…your response was 6 minutes ago and I had already done all my back ups so I upgraded.

Now using WordPress 3.0 and BBPress 1.02 and so far, no detectable problems. Nothing wrong with that.

[Rootside]

metaboy: Yes.

1. bbPress generally seems to work fine out of the box with 3.0, at least for me and a few others, so that’s looking good

2. I needed zaerl’s plugin for deep integration, ie using WordPress functions/template tags to pull in the WordPress header and footer. I’ve tested it further since, and haven’t encountered any problems.

In fact, only the registration of new users was ever a problem. I had WordPress 3.0 RC and bbPress running for a few days before I even encountered that issue.

[Rootside]

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/wp-30-beta-2-integrated-user-registration

[garrik]

I have decided to hold off on upgrading to WordPress 3.0 because of my plugins and my fear of breaking something.

Has anyone using bbpress upgraded to 3.0 yet? Possible?

[zaerl]

The closing tag isn’t required.

The problem is that WordPress declare a global variable called $user_email and in bbPress core file register.php they use the double-dollar notation (variable variables) that are evil. EVIL. So a $$key become a $user_email that is already defined and than not assigned and blah blah blah.

[dudd, médecine blog]

Ok perhaps on bbpress 1.1 ?

[dmb06208]

Well you kinda beat around my question bush. I was basically asking if official development WAS GOING TO CONTINUE or not. Not much has changed with bbpress in the past year other than the plug-ins released by the public. The moral around here is not the best right now. Ive done some reading. I know its open source. You guys should group together and just fork it right now and say good bye to the head aches. I want to put my time and effort into bbpress, and hope it doesn’t go the way of a dead forum system in two years.

[Rootside]

Oh, thanks…

“Deep Integration” was never intended with bbPress sadly

I don’t know – of course I’d really like to have bbPress “deeply integrated”, and it’s particularly frustrating to see that everything seems to work except for the registration process (and some other, solvable little bits like title tag, current page body tag etc.).

But I would probably agree that deep bbPress integration shouldn’t be a priority for WordPress core development. In that respect, having bbPress as a standalone system that also works inside WordPress may simply be asking too much:

Look at other solutions – they’re either bloated or phenomenally ugly and near impossible to customise, or both. But I’ve tested several of them with WordPress 3.0 RC3, and they all get two things right straight away – integration and shared users, with just a few clicks.

They’re also all plugins…

For now, I’ll have to see if someone finds a way around this problem, or if I’ll have to replicate my WordPress theme for bbPress and leave deep integration alone. Stupid, really.

Then there’s also Justin Tadlock, who is building a forum using nothing but WordPress custom post types and custom taxonomies. Should be interesting to see how that pans out…

I’ll stick this on the WP boards – it seems WordPress 3.0 has been released just a few minutes ago, I’m pretty sure others will run into the same problem.

[kevinjohngallagher]

When you say it does not work mate, can you tell us what it does instead?

It might be a quick fix

[kevinjohngallagher]

Rootside, this is good methodical thinking, thank you for it.

“Deep Integration” was never intended with bbPress sadly, and it’s something that the Automattic folks have shy’d away from. I’ll look for Sam’s quote on it in a bit (as he summed it up brilliantly).

I’d throw this error on the WP board and see if it gets any traction (i reported the original bug form this thread and it recieved no responses at all), but it might not given that bbPress’s integration with WordPress is not a priority for either system.

If this still exists in 3.0 when it’s released, we’ll see if we can get a sticky made to warn people.

Good work!

[Rootside]

Wait a minute:

Looks like it might be deep integration that’s causing the problem:

https://bbpress.org/documentation/integration-with-wordpress/ recommends adding require_once(dirname(__FILE__) . '/path/to/wp-load.php'); to bb-config.php.

I just added that (using the correct path) to my working installation, and I’m getting the ’email is required’ behaviour again. Delete it, and registration works.

I’m not sure if that means deep integration doesn’t work at all with WP3.0…?

[Rootside]

Okay, bug hunting is hereby unsuccessfully terminated for the time being:

I installed WordPress 3.0 RC3 and bbPress 1.0.2 in a different subdomain on the same server, and everything works as it should:

I can register new accounts, they show up in WordPress without a role, but as soon as I’ve logged in and posted a reply, I’m mapped as a subscriber in WordPress.

Adding a new user in WordPress works as well, I can hop over to bbPress, log in with the details chosen in WordPress, and post as a member.

Now that I see it working on the same server, I must have made a mistake in the first installation, or it’s a crazy bug. I doubt it had to do with my custom theme, because I switched back to the defaults during testing. However, I’ve only tested the new installation with the defaults, I’ll be back here if anything goes weird…

I’m still slightly uneasy about this of course, because I usually find the bugs or errors, even if I can’t always (okay, rarely) solve or correct them myself. But given that bbPress is BY FAR the best solution for a simple forum on WordPress, I simply had to make it work. Non-intrusive custom themes and Akismet are just two reasons why bbPress is so far ahead of other WordPress integrated solutions; I’ve tested 4 alternatives over the last week or so – OMFG.

The only thing I can offer to others is to try again, following Sam Bauer’s screencast at https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/basic-integration-screencast

(with one addition: when bbPress asks for the cookie salts and you can’t find them on the admin page bbPress links to, copy them from wp-config.php)

[pagal]

I’m sorry to tell you people that..its working on localhost correctly but not on live… depressed again…topic still not resolved

[pagal]

@kevinjohngallagher thanks to tease me.. I’m well aware about your attitude..

I’m not a web programmer who can write code…If I able to write code then why I wrote on bbpress? If I bumped my post then you’ve any problem mate?

And I’m really afraid to tell you that …the links you’ve mentioned still not solved…It worked on localhost but not in live…

So I’ll make another post about it and then tell you that, is it good to say people on forums to write their own codes… really bad

[kevinjohngallagher]

I was merely offering a solution. You don’t have to take it.

I actually install WordPress with almost every bbPress forum, even if it’s not needed. I don’t use Deep Integration so there is no overhead. All I do is point my bbPress forum action towards the WordPress page, and it redirects people back to bbPress, without ever seeing WordPress.

Again, it’s merely a solution. It’s not one that you have to take.

but I still need it

Then write it yourself mate

You did already get annoyed and bumped your own post when no-one had replied in under 4 hours. If you need it that desperately, then you should write it yourself

Otherwise, we’re jsut trying to help.

…think beyond

… answering your questions next time? you got it, i’ll think beyond

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EDIT:

Pagal didn’t we actually go over this 4 weeks ago?

Look, what we have here:

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/wordpress-registration-and-login-via-bbpress

Started by Pagal 4 weeks ago.

Which was solved at :

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/using-login_form-from-bbpress-on-a-wordpress-site

[kevinjohngallagher]

should I waste my time and effort in this forum software

You should never waste your time on anything.

Is it going to stay alive and healthy?

It’s open source software.

It can be anything you want it to be. If at any time it’s not what you want, you can change it

Cos, respectfully, none of us can see into the future.

[kevinjohngallagher]

Yeah, bbPress doesn’t actually have any parent child functionality, so this isn’t really possible. You could write some custom code to keep a counter somewhere, but it’s more than a pain really.

I’m workingon a plugin that deals with this, but it uses part of the bbProgress framework, and there are some issues to work around before separating it entirely.

[zaerl]

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/in-posts-appears-unexpectedly

[pagal]

But it can be easily achieved.

Then what you waiting for…bbPress need this plugin..it will be great

contribution.

But I think someone achieved it without any plugin…

see this

http://boards.weddingbee.com/register.php

If you have no time for making this kind of plugin right now….then can you please tell me the code which he use?

Thanks zaerl

[zaerl]

Yes, yes and yes. Respectively. I love the clean style of your site. I will change the double-line border of the forum table in a single line.

[pagal]

Hi contributers|

I want to add a new custom drop down field into registration page like http://www.facebook.com/ where you can see the gender (Male, Female), and birthday fields (Month, Day, Year) exactly that what I want…is it possible to add these two drop down fields into register page and to show in user profile page?

Thanks and always love you bbPress!!!

[Gautam Gupta]

Please check https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/tons-of-depreciated-errors#post-70000