[ckeck]

Long live bbPress — can’t the community just fork this project? I’d be more than happy to donate $ to this cause in lack of my development skills. I just want to see some MOVEMENT

[chrishajer]

Throw the “folder” below WordPress.

You should put it inside a FOLDER in the root of your WordPress site. The name of that folder determines the URL where the forum will be accessible on the Internet.

So, if your WordPress site is at http://www.example.com/ , and you create a folder called bbpress in your WordPress root (and put all the bbPress files in there) then your bbPress forum will be accessible at http://www.example.com/bbpress/

If you don’t want bbpress in your url, call the folder where you put the files something else. For example, here it’s called “forums”. You can use forum, discussion, community, etc. That will be part of the URL where you access the forum.

/var/www/html/wordpress/wp-content/

/var/www/html/wordpress/wp-admin/

/var/www/html/wordpress/bbpress/

That is where the folder will go; on the same level with wp-content and wp-admin. It is at the same level.

[jeremiahsjamison]

Thanks much Kev for helping me get started!

Quick ? : when you say, upload bbPress into it’s own folder below wordpress, is there a specific loc? I.e., should I throw this in wp-content, wp-admin, or just at the root level?

I think the docs say throw it on the root level, but I’m not sure that’s right.

[chrishajer]

Your best bet is to download it via subversion. Grab the trunk release revision r2434.

svn co -r2434 http://svn.automattic.com/bbpress/trunk ./forums

That will check out revision 2434 which is very stable, into a directory called forums on your server.

[WimTibackx]

Hello,

It’s been a while (some years) since I last had the intention of using bbPress and as far as I can see things have changed since then. However, the current downloads on this website don’t seem to be working so I thought I’d pop in here to ask if anyone has a download location (I could download it from svn, but I thought I’d ask here first, would be simpler). At the same time I’d like to ask which version I’d be best to use, as I heard 1.0 ain’t a good one.

Any tips?

Thanks,

Wim Tibackx

[Rootside]

He even admitted that right now, it would be better off to use another plugin rather than bbPress.

Nevermind if it’s insulting, it’s just wrong. I’ve looked closely at a few WP forum plugins, and they’re all spectacularly ugly, near-impossible to customise, or criminally bloated. Or all of these things.

That said, he does have a point when it comes to installation. I’ll happily jump through a few hoops to get something working, but I’m not sure I’d recommend bbPress unless I was sure the person knows what they’re doing.

All in all though, I went for bbPress precisely because it’s still better than all the other solutions. I realise I’m only speaking for myself and other people might miss functions they consider to be essential; and I wish them good luck trying to tame Simple:Press or wrestle phpBB into their site, but I consider bbPress to be a niche product because it provides a simple, basic, themable forum, and I just assume that that’s what people who use it were looking for.

I’m further assuming that the majority use bbPress in conjunction with a WordPress site, and in that context, I don’t understand why it shouldn’t be a plugin. I personally can’t wait for that to happen, because as bloated as WordPress might be, most people are using it anyway, so the question whether it’s good or bad to load WordPress in order to use bbPress doesn’t even arise for most people.

(edit) If we’re talking loading WP core stuff on every forum page, fine, I get that argument, but again, I doubt that bbPress is the right solution for a big, high traffic forum anyway.(/edit)

And the way I understand it, if someone wants to run just a forum, wouldn’t they probably be looking for something more powerful and feature-rich than bbPress in the first place?

A bbPress plugin would surely be a lot lighter than the current bbPress, no? How is that not a good thing? Am I totally off with my guess that most bbPress users are also running WordPress anyway?

Maybe it can go different ways indeed (renaming it would be a good idea in that case, obviously). That would preserve all the good work that has gone and is going into bbPress.

By the way:

Has anyone considered the possiblity that Matt is keeping his eyes peeled on the current efforts of some people trying to use nothing but WordPress’ core functions to build a simple forum? I’m guessing that any WP plugin which makes that kind of thing easy to set up and enhances its functionality would be really lightweight.

On a different note, I also don’t get how anyone could read a flame war into any of the discussions here. At all.

[johnhds]

Quite a few:

allow images 0.9

auto add favorites 1.0

avatar upload 0.8.3

bavatars 0.4.1

bbcode buttons toolbar 0.0.9

bbpress attachments 0.2.7

bbpress recent replies 0.1b

bbpress signatures 0.2.0

bb wysiwyg editor 1.2.0

custom rotating ads 0.1

google sitemaps 0.1

hot topic 0.0.1

human test for bbpress 0.9.2

image resizer 0.2

prvate forums 5.0

subscribe to topic 0.0.6

social it 1.5

terms of service 0.0.3

topic icons 0.0.5

user photo for bbpress 1.1

xili new post notification (xnpn) 0.9

Thanks

[kevinjohngallagher]

You know, sometimes I wish search actually worked, because that is a very awesome answer. Your coding knowledge of being able to bend bbpress has been sorely missed.

[kevinjohngallagher]

No apologies needed for being new mate, we all were once.

bbPress is a standalone piece of software and not a WordPress plugin.

Ideally at some stage in the last 3 years someone would have put theat sentance somewhere obvious on this website, or in the readme or something because you’re not the first to make this mistake, and you won’t be the last.

You basically want to upload bbPress into it’s own folder below wordpress. You can call this anything you want (forums, support, bbpress, chat etc).

Edit your config file in that folder, and load that folder in a browser (same way you install wordpress basically) and an installer appears.

Now, there is a guide on this website found here: https://bbpress.org/documentation/installation/

Personally, i think it’s a clear and detailed as mud so I strongly recommend the following guide:

http://wpbbpthemes.org/integration/

It’s very procedural, but given that it takes 19 steps to explain to you what the official documentation explains in 1 step (“6.Follow the instructions in the installer”), i think thats a really good thing.

Any questions, come back and drop us a line.

Kev

[Taeo]

You all have good points – some that I think I overlooked a bit. I guess I’m more of a “glass half full” kind of person. I’m at work right now but I’d like to take the time later today to respond to each of you.

[_ck_]

I have a post somewhere around here that shows how to do that.

I think this is it:

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/counting-forums

[jeremiahsjamison]

i’m trying to install BB & integrate into WP. am a noob, so apologies.

=can i upload the bbpress 1.0.2.zip directly as with other plugins? appears not, as after upload there’s nothing in plugins list to manage

=assuming i am to upload bbpress via ftp, how do i get the whole folder to upload? this may be a problem with my ftp client, which won’t let me throw a whole folder onto the web site, it wants individual flyers.

=when i upload bbpress to my web site, which folder or path do i put it to?

any other tutorials and step-by-steps that are detailed i would much appreciate.

[kevinjohngallagher]

I hope Matt just renames it to something else to prevent massive confusion.

In the way he didn’t do with bbPress for BuddyPress?

Why on earth it wasn’t called “BuddyPress forum plugin – based on bbPress” or an equivalent i’ll never know. All that does is make this community and this product look worse; as we fail to answer support questions over and over.

[kevinjohngallagher]

When I overwrite something, especially in bbPress, I ususally clear that was there before hand.

#front-page #hottags {

background: none;

border: none;

background-color: red;

border: 1px solid blue;

}

That way you don’t need to worry about things that are not implemented in all browsers. The more I work with charities and the more I test on different combinations of OS/Browsers and even mobile platforms, the more I code my CSS like it’s 2000 again. Amazing how it all still works and looks the same.

[zaerl]

He even admitted that right now, it would be better off to use another plugin rather than bbPress.

Insulting.

Closing this thread, it has long left productive uses and is annoying me so much I just want to quit the whole project.

No-one agree with me ergo I close the thread. Childish.

[_ck_]

The WordCamp minute about bbPress is old news. I preserved it here so you don’t have to wade through the rest of the WP 3.0 stuff:

http://bbshowcase.org/forums/topic/matt-on-bbpress-wordcamp-san-francisco-may-1st-2010

Please note the plugin version of bbPress for WordPress will almost certainly be completely incompatible with all existing bbPress themes and plugins and all advice/knowledge to date will become useless.

It will be essentially an entirely different program just using the same name and I hope Matt just renames it to something else to prevent massive confusion.

[kevinjohngallagher]

Hi Taeo!

Thanks for the link, but I feel that you’re way off base.

For those who can’t skip it, here’s the WPtavern recap:

http://www.wptavern.com/mattnote-from-wordcamp-san-francisco

[Matt] even admitted that right now, it would be better off to use another plugin rather than bbPress.

Can anyone explain to me how it was helpful of Matt to do that?

He’s not managing expectations, he’s merely degrading the work people are doing. Note, Matt’s not done this with ANY of his other projects on the go.

The bbPress community was a bit rough around the edges and the flame war that ensued forced Matt to break away for a bit.

First, I think this is quite insulting, but that aside, if Matt thought we were rough around the edges, why has there only been 1 moderator on the forums since July last year?

Anyway, I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. This is total and utter bull***. Matt is an awesome bloke, great on so many levels, but have a read at the “FLAME WAR” (haha). It’s here:

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/whats-happening-with-bbpress/page/5

Have you ever seen a nicer and more polite flame war in your life? In fact, don’t you feel (apart from 1 idiot) that this is a crazily civilised conversation??

Honestly, I think it’s a very fascinating read. Especially given that the main posters (the people who posted twice in reply to Matt’s posts) are the current Main Developer and the ONLY Moderator. And in my eyes, that’s the problem.

Matt realised that no-one agreed with him, he wasn’t weighing up arguements and helping solve a problem, he arranged weekly dev meets and IRC chats and disappeared without telling anyone for 4 weeks and came back with sweeping changes and wasn’t happy when people called him out on it.

I like to point this out every now and then:

http://ma.tt/2009/08/kill-your-community/

It’s written by some clever fellow who cares about communities on the internet and knows a thing or two about building great ones around open source software.

• Don’t Moderate.

  Make sure you only have 1 moderator on the forums. Make sure that everyone else with moderator or above status doesn’t visit the forums for a minimum of 6 months.

• Allow Spam Through.

  And make sure that a lot of legitamate posts are caught instead. Only have 1 moderator so that it can go days before real posts are displayed

• Don’t Participate in Comments.

  Less than 20 posts in 7 years? Matt.

  Less than 5 posts in the last 18 months? Trent

  Less than 5 posts in the last year? mdawaffe

  Sam. Would anyone say that Sam was a participant in these forums while he was the lead dev?

• Design Like NASCAR.

  Design’s a tricky/subjective thing. It is/was disappointing to rollout this theme with 30% of the pages not themed, and not tested on the fonts specified making the quite inreadable.

• Abandon Search Engines

  Anyone tried searching on bbPress?

• No Subscriptions

  Email subscriptions plugin was working with bbPress0.9 (and 0.8.3 as I recall, though I might be wrong). Either way, thats over 2 years folks.

• Make People Click Click Click.

  Have you ever tried to moderate your bbPress users?

  Don’t worry, Anonymous Posting is coming instead. WE’ve only had that as a plugin for 2.5 years. But you moderating your forum? Puh-lease. just you clicky click click.

• Treat Everyone the Same.

  1 moderator. Everyone else, regardless of what they do for the project is the same.

• Don’t Ask Anything of Your Audience.

  In fairness both Matt and Sam have had 1 poll each.

  They just abandoned the poll’s voting and reversed decisions at a later date – making the poll useless (actually, it’s kind of worse, it means they asked then ignored us).

I really detest forum posts that attack people personally. I often wonder/worry if my phrasing makes people feel like i’m having a go, when really I don’t mean to. This isn’t about Matt the person – he’s very cool, and I’ve alot of time and respect for him.

This is about the person at the top of the tree making decisions that someone else already pointed out to be a mistake. Those decisions/mistakes result in actions that “kill your community”. It just so happens that both of these people are Matt

[zaerl]

More than one hour of Matt is too much for me and it seems that “videopress” doesn’t let me skip the video.

The day bbPress will become a WordPress plugin, ehm, a core plugin I will run away fast. I began using bbPress cause it’s light software in a world of bloatware. If I need to load all WordPress 3 AND then all bbPress the “light” adjective will not be more valid.

[Taeo]

In case you didn’t it’s up on the WordPress 3.0 launch post – scroll down a bit.

http://wordpress.org/development/2010/06/thelonious/

If you work with WordPress in addition to bbPress I urge you to check it out. You’ll get alot of insight into how Matt sees things going in the future and how they (Automatic) approach open source.

If you don’t work with WordPress I still urge you to check it out! Towards the end a woman asks a question about the state of bbPress. He answers very frankly and cites these very forums.

I know there are many people on these forums right now that are not thrilled with Matt and Automatic’s handling of bbPress over the past year or so. For me his comments in this video really puts things in perspective and I now feel very good about the future of bbPress.

Earlier in the video Matt discusses how the WordPress team is planning on trying something new and releasing what he calls “core plugins” for WordPress 3 – basically large scale plugins that add powerful functionality and are officially supported by Automatic. I foresee bbPress becoming one such plugin.

Anyways enough of me telling you about it, go watch the video!

[garrik]

Thanks…your response was 6 minutes ago and I had already done all my back ups so I upgraded.

Now using WordPress 3.0 and BBPress 1.02 and so far, no detectable problems. Nothing wrong with that.

[Rootside]

metaboy: Yes.

1. bbPress generally seems to work fine out of the box with 3.0, at least for me and a few others, so that’s looking good

2. I needed zaerl’s plugin for deep integration, ie using WordPress functions/template tags to pull in the WordPress header and footer. I’ve tested it further since, and haven’t encountered any problems.

In fact, only the registration of new users was ever a problem. I had WordPress 3.0 RC and bbPress running for a few days before I even encountered that issue.

[Rootside]

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/wp-30-beta-2-integrated-user-registration

[garrik]

I have decided to hold off on upgrading to WordPress 3.0 because of my plugins and my fear of breaking something.

Has anyone using bbpress upgraded to 3.0 yet? Possible?

[zaerl]

The closing tag isn’t required.

The problem is that WordPress declare a global variable called $user_email and in bbPress core file register.php they use the double-dollar notation (variable variables) that are evil. EVIL. So a $$key become a $user_email that is already defined and than not assigned and blah blah blah.

[dudd, médecine blog]

Ok perhaps on bbpress 1.1 ?