[swaymedia]

OH MY GOD… are you guys serious… your going to cross over the solution with a stupid “iFrame”.. this is ridicilous….

@adeboy.. I know how to do iFrame, but design wise and everything else wise… Iframes suck… were taking a step backwords using iFrames, its like being in 1995 all over again.

[chrishajer]

@adeboy: can you post the URL to your forum? I had heard in the past that the iframe idea wouldn’t work, so if it does it would love to see it. Thanks.

[adeboy]

Swaymedia, in the time you’ve spent writing all your posts you could have figured out how to do it. I did my iframe hack for the same thing you need in the time it took to write this post and it works perfectly. Stop moaning, its free software, it will happen one day but its not here yet, deal with it

[Matt Mullenweg]

Ipstenu is correct on the relationship between TalkPress and bbPress.

WordPress.org :: WordPress.com

bbPress.org :: TalkPress.com

We chose a new name for it to avoid confusion.

I think I originally announced it a year or two ago, just nothing has happened with it until recently.

_ck_ is absolutely right about not putting one of the product names in your domain. Better to start with something unique that you truly own, rather than using someone else’s name.

[swaymedia]

@Ipstenu

As I said, just becuase you do not want deep integration it doesn’t mean the majority won’t. It is going over the top to call it a “Silver Bullet” just becuase it might have deep intergration.

All I want to do is use the BBPress loop to add the latest topics on the index.php page of WP. … Getting told “oh well theres a plugin for that, for your sidebar” is probably the stinkiest response any one can give. People want to customize things, thats what BBPress is about, we dont want rigid fixed plugins. And not to mention really really lame. Deep intergration is the “right tool for the right job” for the majority of people using BBPress… except it wont be there.

@CK

both points are too weak to stop deep intergration and are probably really insufficient to fight your side of the argument. Dedicated servers will always be used for a large community base that has enough power to crush a shared server.. which is not that likely anyway.

[_ck_]

Any template editing guide for WordPress should still be helpful for bbPress.

The header and footer parts are somewhat similar, just some slightly different names inside.

You are also going to need to change that link on your WordPress side for the forums to the proper link but that might be tricky since it’s not an internal wordpress page.

[Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)]

Ah. Yes, but no. Read https://bbpress.org/about/

bbPress is a simple forum software. Full stop. The fact that it integrates better with WP than other forums is … a bonus. In fact, none of the about pages mention wordpress except in that WP was the reason for tBB to be made.

The reason people come to BBPress is becuase of the intergration possibilities

Yes, most likely this is true. Heaven’s knows it was for me!

limiting the deep integration is the most Counter-Intuitive thing against its own selling point

Except it’s not a selling point. If it was, I’d agree with you, but it’s clearly not. Even in the documentation on how to to shallow and deep integration, it suggests not doing it because of load and overhead and other things.

I have no need for deep integration and I never will. I use four totally separate tools for my website: MediaWiki, bbPress, WordPress and Gallery2. ONLY WP and BB are integrated and even then, it’s just users so people can comment and post. I could, if I wanted, integrate WP+BB+MW, but even then I’d just want logins.

Why? Because while I want the site to look the same on each one, each tool I use is slightly different and needs customization. I feel that I can give my users a BETTER level of cross-tool integration if I take the time to customize each of my tools to that it is consistent with my site design AND consistent with the intended use of the tool itself. And I’m not the only person who thinks that way.

Some people want a silver bullet, a tool that does it all. Some people want the right tool for the right job and will customize as needed. Neither is right or wrong, it’s just preference.

By keeping bbPress NOT deep-integrated with WordPress, bbPress leaves itself open to be integrated with any other application, or not. It allows itself to be customized based on the needs of the client. And that is, in my opinion, a fantastic selling point

[_ck_]

Two huge strengths for stand-alone (simple) integration over deep integration are:

1. your forums can be still running even if your blog is temporarily down (or visa versa)

2. speed/performance – deep integration will crush a shared server if you get a surge in visitors

[swaymedia]

yeahs but BBPress is for coders to hack it together and make it suitable for a WP theme… that’s what its selling point is… its not just “another forum”… otherwise people would go for Vanilla or phpBB or other light forums.

The reason people come to BBPress is becuase of the intergration possibilities… and limiting the deep integration is the most Counter-Intuitive thing against its own selling point… utterly contradictory and frankly stupid… The majority will want deep intergration either now or later on… Regardless what type of user you are… there will be a point in that users time when he/she wants deep intergration.

[Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)]

Easy. You redirect BB presses signup/login to WP and then the WP profile to BB.

Okay, not ‘easy’ but … If you’ve integrated login, you can edit the login links on BBpress so registrations go to WP and then put a couple redirects in your htaccess in case someone gets ‘smart’. You still have people login through BB or WP, but since it’s the same server, it’s all good.

[lookfab]

@adeboy, thanks for the pointer to columbusunderground.

How is it that their signup/login is for WordPress, yet the profile page is from bbpress? Any idea?

[Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)]

seriously guys, deep intergration is probably the most essential feature an “intergratable forum” has to have.

All this talk about…. well… Not everyone wants it.. is utter garbage.

Wow. Harsh. So my not wanting it means I’m garbage or my site is garbage? Nah, I know you don’t mean I’m crap, no worries, but really think about what you just said.

I agree that SOME people want deep/full integration. And some people don’t. Should full integration be offered? Yes, but only for people who are totally hard-core hackers. Because it’s so hard, because it’s so complicated, and because it’s something that, if done wrong, will seriously jack you up.

Shallow integration, of users and db, is what most people need. If you can theme WP, you can theme BB. If you can make a theme in WP, you can make it work in BB too with about an hour of work and make it seem seamless.

A pain? Yes. But IMO better than having to re-code everything.

And I too would rather sit on a cactus than use iframes.

[Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)]

My guess would be this: wordpress.com is to wordpress.org what talkpress is to bbpress

Nes pas?

(and I’ve been told they don’t use those questions in the SATs anymore, which makes me feel old…)

[_ck_]

bbPress doesn’t yet have the ease of use that WordPress has

but it can be customized in pretty much the same way.

The problem is bbPress is much younger than WordPress so there is virtually no documentation and it’s also evolving so any changes you make today may have to be updated somewhat in a few months.

The best bet is to study existing plugins and themes however if you are not a coder that may be problematic.

You got this far though, I dare say you probably have the required determination to get it done.

[adammann33]

Hi all,

First off, I’d like to say wow, this stuff is awesome! Thank you for the effort that has gone into it.

I’d also like to pat myself on the back for having done two successful install/integrations of bbp and wp by following the integration screencast. Both have worked very well — I did have to use the fix admin login plugin on one, but it has worked since. The trick for a non-coder like me is to have the screencast in a separate window and pause it at every step.

For the site in my profile, http://www.herbalremedyforum.com , I’m using the tarski theme on the wordpress side, and the matching geneologies theme on the bbpress side. The two look fantastic together!

So my question is this: what’s the most effective way for me to get the knowledge/skills I need to pimp out my bbpress site like I did with my wp site as a non-coder? I’m not lazy — it just seems like I’m missing some basic information like how to get link into the bp sidebar with a widget as in wp.

As a bottom line, is there a suite of plug ins that gives the an approximation of the intuitive interface of the WP admin area? Or do I (gulp) need to go back to school and get a computer science degree? Somewhere in between? It seems like given the hand holding from the screencast that there must be other handholding that I’m not finding for the other basic stuff.

So two of the basic hand holdy questions: how do I put a link from my forum back to my wp blog? And how do a put an image in the header of the forum to match that of the wp blog?

ps — I just posted this a few minutes ago, then realized I needed to edit a typo, so I hit the edit button and when I tried to save, it saved as a blank post?

[adammann33]

Hi all,

First off, I’d like to say wow, this stuff is awesome! Thank you for the effort that has gone into it.

I’d also like to pat myself on the back for having done two successful install/integrations of bbp and wp by following the integration screencast. Both have worked very well — I did have to use the fix admin login plugin on one, but it has worked since. The trick for a non-coder like me is to have the screencast in a separate window and pause it at every step.

For the site in my profile, http://www.herbalremedyforum.com , I’m using the tarski theme on the wordpress side, and the matching geneologies theme on the bbpress side. The two look fantastic together!

So my question is this: what’s the most effective way for me to get the knowledge/skills I need to pimp out my bbpress site like I did with my wp site as a non-coder? I’m not lazy — it just seems like I’m missing some basic information like how to get link into the bp sidebar with a widget as in wp.

As a bottom line, is there a suite of plug ins that gives the an approximation of the intuitive interface of the WP admin area? Or do I (gulp) need to go back to school and get a computer science degree? Somewhere in between? It seems like given the hand holding from the screencast that there must be other handholding that I’m not finding for the other basic stuff.

So two of the basic hand holdy questions: how do I put a link from my forum back to my wp blog? And how do a put an image in the header of the forum to match that of the wp blog?

[_ck_]

People should not be registering domain names with any of the Automattic product names in them. While the programs are open source and free, the name is still trademarked by Matt. I doubt he would ever sue little websites but Matt has gently requested this before:

https://wordpress.org/about/domains/

Discussing/promoting the products on your site is one thing, registering domain names with the products entirely different. If you are worried about SEO or promotion you can just use the name as a subdirectory, ie.

my-example-website.com/talkpress/ = okay

my-talkpress-website.com/forums/ = not okay

subdomains might also be a loophole: talkpress.my-example-website.com

And it’s perfectly valid for them to have a commerical product called “TalkPress” that uses the open source bbPress engine. Just like BuddyPress uses WordPress MU and bbPress.

[adeboy]

@swaymedia, ouch!

Ipstenu is right, it would be a world of pain with upgrades, they need to stay apart. The profile integration is great and if you work on it a user would never know where WP ends and BBPress starts. Check out http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/, best example i’ve seen

[matiaspunx]

It’s like wordpress.com a holding site for forums…

bbpress is bbpress and talkpress is talkpress.

im right huh?

[swaymedia]

@adeboy

i’d rather sit on a hedgehog than do that.

seriously guys, deep intergration is probably the most essential feature an “intergratable forum” has to have.

All this talk about…. well… Not everyone wants it.. is utter garbage.

[adeboy]

An easy way to integrate is to use iframes in your wp pages to load bbpress content. Might not be suitable for many things but is quick and simple to do

[DTI]

Can I hold two databases in same place using mysql, one is for forum and another is for myself (not for wordpress)?

When I install bbpress 0.9.0.4, it can’t been connected with forum-database(stick in step 1), although I use databaseConnect.php to test it that success connecting forum-database. But I use myself-database to replace it, it is work and pass step 1. 2. 3. (myself-database is first, forum-database is second in order.)

But it can’t be loged in, anybody password is incorrect in my forum. After using recovered password it still doesn’t work. I think the problem is forum-tables mixed with myself-tables, they stay in one database. So I want to reinstall bbPress but I worry to stick step 1 same before. Could you give me some suggestion.

I use bbPress 0.9.0.4 , not integrated with WordPress. My server use Linux CentOS, Apache 2.2.3, Mysql5.045 and Php 5.1.6 .

[swaymedia]

is deep intergration possible on alpha,… yeahs or no?

[DTI]

I use bbPress 0.9.0.4 , not integrated with WordPress. My server use Linux CentOS, Apache 2.2.3, Mysql5.045 and Php 5.1.6 .

[_ck_]

I’m not sure exactly when this year it happened but they finally replaced the front page on http://talkpress.com (I think it was on or around March 24th 2009)

Looks interesting. This one is the most interesting to me, because you might notice how much it looks like bbPress:

http://talkpress.com/wordpress-content/themes/talkpress-temp/i/4.png

update: oh and here is the actual website featured:

http://ask-the-expert.health.com/

It is indeed running bbPress (1.0 alpha 6)

So it’s an Automattic hosted bbPress with WordPress.com logins.

The bottom right of the page says “Powered by TalkPress VIP”.

Google first saw it on March 19th 2009