[anthonyluth]

It always seems to load homesite/community/wp-load.php instead of homesite/wp-load.php when you test it out. Any thoughts?

[minervaa]

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Is it possible to improve this plugin a little bit as –

1. It will allow admin to post any clickable links(including outgoing) on the the topics

2. It will allow anyone to post clickable links ONLY when the link is from the same domain as the forum? (internal links)

To give an example, lets say this plugin is activated in bbpress.org.

A member post a topic saying

“Buy cheap Viagra from http://www.cheapest-vira-xyz.info&#8221; <– this link would be plain text.

“A member post a topic saying “Has any one got this working? https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/cant-switch-themes-in-081&#8221; <– this link would be clickable

again if any member post a topic saying “have you read this bbPress blog here ? https://www.bbpress.org/blog/latest/bla-bla-bla-bla&#8221; <– this link would be clickable as they are from the same domain as the forum

If the above functions can be implemented on this plugin, that would be a brilliant tool to put off most of the spammers.

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Any tips from anyone?

[_ck_]

That query IS working properly on my test copy.

I purposely changed the topic_posts on a topic from 46 to 99.

Then ran this

INSERT INTO bb_topics (topic_id, topic_posts)

(SELECT topic_id, COUNT(post_status) as topic_posts

FROM bb_posts

WHERE post_status = '0' GROUP BY topic_id)

ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE topic_posts = VALUES(topic_posts);

and it reverted it back to 46

So try changing the 80 to 81

then try the above query and see if it changes it back to 80 or not?

[_ck_]

Actually I can simulate the problem on a test copy.

I’ve just got three other things going on right now so this is taking me longer than the few minutes it should have taken to investigate

[_ck_]

Yes but I didn’t want you to do that.

We need to find out why the post count is failing to update.

Or you will just keep running into the same problem over and over.

Actually I guess I can simulate the problem on a test copy.

[_ck_]

I must be missing the problem here.

The “latest reply” link works.

When I am on page 3, the page 4 link works.

What specifically is not working?

Are you saying the problem is intermittent?

ps. I use an ebike with a custom lifepo4 battery

Oh wait, I see what you saying now

he problem vanished when one reply was written.

It will reappear when someone writes a reply last on that page.

so it’s an even/odd problem

if there are an even number of posts, it works,

if there is an uneven number, it does not work

Did you try the trick of deleting one post and then undeleting it?

There must be a bug in the way bbPress calculates post-position when there are deleted posts. I wonder if it’s specific to 1.x

[e-motion]

No, I do not. I have following plugins:

Akismet

Allow Images

Avatar Upload

BBcode Buttons Toolbar

BBcode Lite

bbPM

BBVideo

Bozo Users

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Human Test for bbPress

Instant Password

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SourceCode Highlighter

[kikko088]

<table id=”latest”>

<tr>

<th>Forum</th>

<th>Discussioni</th>

<th>Messaggi</th>

</tr>

<?php

global $wpdb;

$query=”SELECT * FROM bb_forums WHERE topics!=0 ORDER BY forum_order ASC LIMIT 10″;

$results=$wpdb->get_results($query);

foreach ($results as $result) {

echo “<tr><td>forum_id.”‘>”.$result->forum_name.”</td>”;

echo “<td class=’num’>”.$result->forum_topics.”</td>”;

echo “<td class=’num’>”.$result->forum_posts.”</td></tr>”;

}

?>

</table>

why this code don’t display the number of discussions and posts?

kikko088

[zaerl]

sorry….I don’t know this is a support forum.

looks like a demo site…

Well the title of this page is “okiss test topic << bbPress Support Forums.”

[Andre]

Can someone please give an update on whether or not bbpress as a plugin will be available for testing this week and let us know where we need to go for updates? I check http://bbpdevel.wordpress.com/ and http://bbdevel.wordpress.com/, but neither has been updated in a while.

[Ricardo]

From a user prespective

@kevinjohngallagher and _CK_

i agree with you two, specially the parts where you say bbpress.org users and mods are updated on bbpress stuff through other sites, relying on wordpress dashboard to spread the news sounds like a last minute attempt to minimize damages, but hey…nobody is perfect)

A lot of bbpress sucess is due to pluggin developers and i think its “out of order” to post bbpress news on buddypress blog, there are moderators here that are pluggin developers that feel “betrayed and hopless” because they spend countless hours and days and nobody tells them nothing… how would you feel JJJ if it was you? i’m aware nobody is perfect but you did talk about bbpress there and even linked to bbpress.org so why not say something here first? “i feel” your pain mods…

about the name change… i aalso agree it should be called bbpress 2.0 but i think that alone wont stop all the confusion around different versions… i agree with you (_CK_) but newcomers will still be confused wether its 2.0 or 1.2 because the real confusion its not the name but the several different versions.

All in all i think the next version is what a lot of users wanted (pluggin integration, no more backpress etc), thing is a lot of the sucess is due to pluggin authors that spent countless hours making sure their pluggins/themes work across several versions, now they have (or not) to start over.

2 last questions:

can we install the next version on its own? where can we download the alpha/beta of it? where is it? i would like to test even if its not fully functional like we do for wordpress, i can only find reference to the pluggin version at: http://svn.automattic.com/bbpress/branches/plugin/

not enough communication around… Good luck and thanks to everyone that works on bbpress wether coding/theming/pluggins or here maintaining the forum.

[okissliu]

yes..

I will survey more in google.

thanks for your reply.

maybe you can delete this strange test…

sorry for bothering..

[Rich Pedley]

bbPress 1.2 (the plugin) should be stable enough to start testing as soon as September 15 (give or take a few days and/or missing features) with a full release due around the same time as BuddyPress 1.3.

ref: https://buddypress.org/2010/08/buddypress-and-bbpress-the-future/

that is why people are asking.

[Ashish Kumar (Ashfame)]

lol

testing live on support forums, thats new

[webprof]

Ok, so I have managed (??) to install the latest version.

But the problem now is that admin area doe not look correct. If I understand correctly it should look similar to wordpress and it does not.

Also, if I wanted to make changes to a theme, is there any way to make the changes inside the admin area or do I have make changes to the actual file and then ftp?

[_ck_]

I totally agree that _ck_’s involvement is crucial.

Y’all don’t need me. I highly encourage you to keep going with the fork and there doesn’t have to be just one fork.

Remember, WordPress itself is just one (big) fork (of b2evolution).

I’ll be taking a sabbatical for the rest of the year starting next month or so as I have serious real-life things to deal with, and then *maybe* announcing my own project next year in the spring. Instead of a fork it will be a 50% or more rewrite of the entire core, fixing a few legacy problems. But it would not be available to the public for at least a year from now at the soonest and it won’t be fully backwards compatible.

It literally took me three years but I kinda figured out an indirect way of doing something like this. Part of the solution is so simple that I guarantee WordPress will “steal” the idea within six months of me publishing the code because it’s backwards compatible and a great idea that no-one else apparently has thought of yet for some mysterious reason. I’ve already tested a proof-of-concept and it’s one of those things that once you see it, everyone says “well that’s so simple anyone could have thought of it”. But no one has, yet.

[MathiasB]

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[KentonMr]

‘trunk’ ?

I’m still a newbie – I though the download was the latest release “approved”

I didn’t even know of that bug list

… so good is the documentation … and I’ll bet that most users don’t or can be bothered to dig around in the maze of code to figure out why it doesn’t perform how expected.

This sort of bug fix is easy to apply – affecting only a couple of lines of code there ought to be a forum/list somewhere to enable these sort of changes to be publicised – perhaps there is but I just haven’t connected with it yet.

Still at least I managed to fix this problem one on my own … I get the feeling watching others struggle that this is what comes with bbPress … being on your own

[KittysForum]

lol @ vanilla forums. I’ve been testing them for two weeks and would not recommend them to anyone.

[Jeremy]

I’m trying to show the latest topics across the entire board in a sidebar. I foolishly tried creating a standard loop (if ($topics) : foreach ($topics as $topic) : ?>), but of course if you’re on a forum you only see topics within that forum, not across the entire board. I can’t puzzle out how to make the right query. Should I use bb_query? $bbdb_get_results()? Something else?

Thanks.

[rafio]

>Oh come on, the average person who looks at a graph that says product B is

>slower than product A doesn’t know how to be critical about the testing

>methods. If they did, every other commercial you see on TV would be >useless.

I can agree with that, but only in part. Person with right knowledge will read bench results correctly. Others? Not neccessary. From my own experience I know that casual bread eaters (lets call them CBE for short and comic relief) take different approach for this. Before forum generates serious traffic on user’s host, it goes like this:

* It works for me.

* Its slower, but I like it.

* Who Cares?

* Its not so bad

I am not making this up, those are real testimonies i received when working on web apps.

[_ck_]

Oh come on, the average person who looks at a graph that says product B is slower than product A doesn’t know how to be critical about the testing methods. If they did, every other commercial you see on TV would be useless.

Making a benchmark is a learning process. I am certainly not critical of the effort, I think it’s great someone took the time to do it. All I am saying the concept can be improved and expanded.

Early on I wrote bb-benchmark to analyze how bbPress performs from the server-side. It can be very helpful. But as fancy as the analysis is, in the end something I wrote much later on that gives much simpler data is far more practical for real-world results (browser-timer).

AB could be considered the parallel of bb-benchmark. It has it’s usefulness.

But one day there will be something more real-world like browser-timer.

[rafio]

Can you quote me where on bb-bench it claims those tests aim to reproduce production enviroment?

Thats only comparision between systems. Everywhere I see people taking this as real-live scenario, but it doesnt. Its just to show people differences between softwares with same forum size (topics, posts and forums).

[_ck_]

Of course it will be good to have content caching added, I already commented on how plugins can do that and bbPress never got content caching because it was being re-invented every couple of years. The reality is now it’s a moot point, bbPress 0.9 and 1.0-1.1 will never have it internally. I doubt 1.2/2.0 will ever either, they will simply rely on WP plugins to do page caching.

But I’m also saying the effects of content caching will be less visible if the test was more realistic to how forums are really used.

Apachebench is not complete enough and not real-world enough.

The problem is it’s going to take a week or two of coding to write something better and I can’t imagine someone doing that unless they were serious and skilled enough to do it.

I could write a plugin that defeats apachebench entirely, it’s very easy. AB does not load any content on the page, no images, no scripts. So basically all I have to do is send it one hard coded script tag, nothing else on the page, and the script loads the page. Then bbPress would rank as fast as an empty static html/php page.

That’s an extreme unrealistic example but it’s part of what I am saying. A real world test would load the page like a browser does, it would accept and return cookies so a user couple be logged in, and it would post new content between reads.

Writing a test like that is hard work, so I am not surprised that just using AB is the fallback.

You want bbPress to be cached? It can already do that, deep integrate with WP and then use wp-super-cache (or similar).

But then the page generation time is hidden in the first page render, let’s say it takes 800ms or more. Each next page will only take 20ms or less to serve. But Apachebench is “dumb” and doesn’t know that, it can only show best/worst and averages.

What if SMF or one of the others take 2 seconds for the first render on a new login and then 20ms for each successive? That 2 seconds is important if the content/user is constantly changing. What if a forum generates a list of topics the same for everyone but then uses javascript to change the list after the fact by using extra queries outside of the original page render? Apachebench cannot “catch” any of those scenarios or show their performance.

[rafio]

Hey Everyone!

I am tracking opinions on bb-bench.com on internet from my curiosity (I am NOT associated with that initiative in any way).

I find this thread interesting in negative way. Hovewer responses on those results are not suprise to me. Every dev unsatissfied with results attacks test itself ignoring bad solutions (or lack of countersolutions) in his code.

You say “test is bad because we dont implement cache while others do”. That indeed has its effect on BBPress results hovewer as end-user I am interested in performace. Caching algorithms are necessary if you aim your software for bigger communities.

Ofcourse you can say “hey, if load is too big, you can always switch to more powerful hosting plan”. Thats true, however whats heaper for user? Change hosting solution or community software for faster one?

What I am especially disgusted with is how you claimed other solutions use full-page cache, while none of them does. Lying about other software to make your one appear “more fair” is really cheap shot.

If your code lacks features like caching, you implement those, dont argue over how cache is bad and gives others unfair advantage in tests. How hard it is to implement basic cache mechanism to code? Implementing it will make software better.