[zaerl]

on bb-templates/kakumei/front-page.php delete:

<div id="hottags" role="main">

<h2><?php _e('Hot Tags'); ?></h2>

<p class="frontpageheatmap"><?php bb_tag_heat_map(); ?></p>

</div>

[PokerForum]

Hi, I just installed BBPress, which was an easy thing to do.

Now I would like to ged rid of the sidebar “Popular Tags” to the left of the starting page of the forum. I’m using the Kakumei Blue 1.0 theme.

Any hint, which file I have to edit? Thank you!

[paulhawke]

@kevinjohngallagher

… but if you give the data-structure to a DBA or heck, a basic developer they’ll scratch their heads.

The datastructures underpinning both WordPress and bbPress are shocking to me, as a senior level developer. Just because you can do a thing doesnt mean you should do a thing; just because you have “*_meta” tables that store key/value pairs (that is, post_meta, user_meta, topic_meta, etc) doesnt mean that you should use them for absolutely everything. Tables like those are a commercial DBA’s worst nightmare.

There is no way to set any forum as read only, or hidden, or anything else. Forums don’t have settings, and why is that? because they’re exactly the same as categories in wordpress. Which suits the current need of one type of forum, and that’s one that has no need for parentage (such as this forum and the WordPress support forums).

bbPress was originally designed to be simple and lightweight. There are heavy-weight PHP based forums out there and I dont believe that bbPress was designed to compete. Lean, mean and simple seem to be the guiding principles, and it shows. The design of the code is very much the minimal working set you need for a basic forum. Problem is, people expect more, so you get to the point of needing a half-dozen plugins to reach the new “baseline” expectation. Suggests to me that certain plugins need to be [a] pulled into core and need some decent data-modelling done before getting released as “core” functionality.

Hey has anyone used XML_RPC to post to their forums yet? it’s awesome…

ROFLMAO

I’d like to stress i’m not advocating a massive change to the core, honestly I’m just up for discussion. I’m really just wanting to know people’s feelings or thoughts on this. Far too much data is not readily/intrinsically/obviously available especially when said data is on a predefined 1-to-1 relationship.

I would be willing to go through and document the database, including a nice clear diagram. I would also be happy to talk (deeply) about database design issues. It wouldnt be hard to pull together a patch to submit to Automattic to enhance the internal data structures. The issue I have though, is the number of plugins that would need to be massaged after such an event. Still, I’d be up for it.

@johnhiler

My general sense is that most of what you describe can be pulled off with plugins…

Adding the end-user functionality, yes, but the issue isnt so much the functionality as the data-structures a plugin needs to wrangle to accomplish its desired purpose. Right now the low-grade of data model design hurts.

@Marius-

I would love to have a dynamic sidebar I could add or remove things with ease. Have polls on the sidebar, not arrested in a topic, and maybe a chatbox instead of having an “Off Topic” category or thread.

I would like to see all of the major pages in bbPress be “widget enabled” – the “forums list” and the “topics list” simply be widgets, the heat-cloud for tags be another and so on. That would allow me to create an alternative display of topics, and drop it onto my own forum wihtout needing to hack the template.

Not to be too controversial here, but if/when bbPress becomes a WordPress plugin, we would get that functionality for free, pretty much.

I really enjoy the beautiful minimalism of BBPress, and I dont want it to get more complicated.

Amen! Preach it brother!

[kevinjohngallagher]

So my wish to BBPress is to keep it simple, and make the hard things even simpler.

The hard things right now is adding new features, polls and many of the plugins requires alot of work to plug in.

Yes, thats what we’re talking about

Things are harder right now, and we’re trying to discuss them to make them easier.

Why not make these into widgets instead, as a sidebar?

I would love to have a dynamic sidebar I could add or remove things with ease. Have polls on the sidebar, not arrested in a topic, and maybe a chatbox instead of having an “Off Topic” category or thread.

Who had under 2 minutes in the “ZOMG i cant code so ignore data structurz & make me XXX feature” poll?

Yeah, i’m going to hell, i understand. Well i tried.

[Marius-]

If you want category-heavy forums, use something else.

I started using BBPRess because I saw this website with it.

A forum with absolutely no categories at first sight. Just posts – easy access. So I set mine up in similiar pattern, and it has become a tremendous hit. I just got my user number 100 yesterday.

I have no categories at all, only one front page where everything is.

So my wish to BBPress is to keep it simple, and make the hard things even simpler.

The hard things right now is adding new features, polls and many of the plugins requires alot of work to plug in. Why not make these into widgets instead, as a sidebar?

I would love to have a dynamic sidebar I could add or remove things with ease. Have polls on the sidebar, not arrested in a topic, and maybe a chatbox instead of having an “Off Topic” category or thread.

I really enjoy the beautiful minimalism of BBPress, and I dont want it to get more complicated.

So in short, fix whats broken, and keep what works.

[pittsleyb]

I have read and re-read most of the articles on how to integrate wp and bb. I got it to work but decided I dont care about having users shared between both. Now I have seperate databases which is fine by me.

1. I would like to make my bb forum look as close to my wp theme as possible and have read that the best way is to edit the bb template files correct?

2.Is this done via the template folder on the server?

3. Is there a spot on bb admin to edit files?

Can someone please post an EASY way to integrate the look and feel like how to remove the sidebar in bb?

[Marius-]

oh heaoull…. i tried integration…… and thats where it went – at “tried”

did not turn out good

do you have any examples of how that looks like? bb press with wordpress sidebar?

also, is it possible to remove the tags bar? and possibly replace it with something else?

[michael3185]

@ashfame; In the example I gave, I’d just pulled some stuff out of my front-page.php, which is a modified version of Kakumei. It has tables because it came that way – here’s the fist code section;

<div id="discussions">

<?php if ( bb_forums() ) : ?>

<h2><?php _e('Forums'); ?></h2>

<table id="forumlist">

<?php while ( bb_forum() ) : ?>

<tr<?php bb_forum_class(); ?>>

<td><?php bb_forum_pad( '<div class="nest">' ); ?><a href="<?php forum_link(); ?>"><?php forum_name(); ?></a><br /><div class="hints"><?php forum_description(); ?>&nbsp;&nbsp;(<?php bb_forum_pad( '</div>' ); ?><?php forum_topics(); ?> topics, <?php forum_posts(); ?> posts)</div></td>

</tr>

<?php endwhile; ?>

</table>

<?php endif; // bb_forums() ?>

I read somewhere that using lists is not good (can’t remember why). I removed all the alternative line colourings to give a very simple layout, which you can see at http://mbforum.letsdoo.org.

How would I use a list to get the same layout? I once removed the remaining table stuff, but the page turned into a mess. A list will add bullets or numbering, won’t it?

[michael3185]

Hi Marco. I’m no expert at this (one or two will be along shortly…) but I’ve found that in playing around with PHP and CSS I’ve been able to do a lot more than I thought I would.

The code you’ve posted would display not just the forum names, but most of your front-page info. I’m wondering if putting the forum names in a < div > with a class name you’ve defined in the stylesheet to format the fornt, placing, width, etc., would do it. This is a rough ide from my front-page;

<div id="my_side_bar">

<?php if ( bb_forums() ) : ?>

<table id="forumlist">

<?php while ( bb_forum() ) : ?>

<tr<?php bb_forum_class(); ?>>

<td><a href="<?php forum_link(); ?>"><?php forum_name(); ?></a><br />

</td></tr>

<?php endwhile; ?>

</table>

<?php endif; // bb_forums() ?>

The table definition could probably be removed too, and it should(?) give a list of links with just forum names. Blind leading the blind here, but it might give you some ideas.

[grassrootspa]

Sam, just installed. Everything looks amazing internally. Well done.

The bees and hives icons are perfect.

The only snafu I have found is when I try and delete a tag I get

“The tag was not removed.”

“Back to [site name].”

My theme is Refueled Blank 2 Column – Right Sidebar (Not sure if it helps)

[johnhiler]

legg-my-eggo – I totally agree that basic functionality should be easier to call between the two platforms! Pulling content back and forth between WordPress and bbPress… sharing header/footer/sidebar templates… that stuff should be a lot more seamless, and hopefully it will be over time.

Deep integration does have its own set of problems. _ck_ mentions two of them here:

Two huge strengths for stand-alone (simple) integration over deep integration are:

1. your forums can be still running even if your blog is temporarily down (or visa versa)

2. speed/performance – deep integration will crush a shared server if you get a surge in visitors

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/display-bbpress-on-wordpress-page-inside-the-blog#post-25353

Anyway my personal sense is that if you can avoid deep integration, you’re probably better off that way. But if you absolutely need it, it’s possible… but only in one direction. It’s up to WordPress to decide if they want to offer deep integration of bbPress – I guess some of us could post over at the WordPress forums and ask them for it?

What kind of filters are you looking to run on the Latest Discussion plugin? Maybe we can find a way to mod the plugin to be more flexible… and remove your need for deep integration!

[Dave]

I figured out how to get rid of the polls in the sidebar. CK might have a more elegant way to do this, but I just deleted this line:

add_action(‘topicmeta’,’bb_polls_pre_poll’,200);

From the bb-polls.php file, then added this line (as CK suggested) to my topic.php template file:

<?php remove_action(‘topicmeta’,’bb_polls_pre_poll’,200); bb_polls_pre_poll($topic_id); ?>

Here’s what it looks like:

http://www.musicianwages.com/forums/topic/whats-the-best-cruise-line-to-work-for/

[Tecca]

From ctsttom:

Can we see your front-page.php code as its possibly part of the html as mine uses a different template and it only has one dash.

<?php bb_get_header(); ?>



<?php if ( $forums ) : ?>



<div id="contentleft">



<div id="login">

<?php login_form(); ?>

</div>



<h2><?php _e('Forums'); ?></h2>

<table id="forumlist">



<tr>

<th><?php _e('Forum Categories'); ?></th>

<th><?php _e('Topics'); ?></th>

<th><?php _e('Posts'); ?></th>

</tr>



<?php foreach ( $forums as $forum ) : ?>

<tr<?php alt_class('forum'); ?>>

<td><a href="<?php forum_link(); ?>"><?php forum_name(); ?></a> — <small><?php forum_description(' '); ?></small></td>

<td class="num"><?php forum_topics(); ?></td>

<td class="num"><?php forum_posts(); ?></td>

</tr>

<?php endforeach; ?>

</table>



<?php if ( $bb_current_user->ID ) : ?>



<?php endif; else : // $forums ?>



<div id="contentleft">



<h3 class="bbcrumb"><a href="<?php bb_option('uri'); ?>"><?php bb_option('name'); ?></a></h3>



<?php post_form(); ?>



<?php endif; ?></div>



<div id="discussions">



<?php if ( $topics || $super_stickies ) : ?>



<h2><?php _e('Latest Discussions'); ?></h2>



<table id="latest">

<tr>

<th><?php _e('Topic'); ?> — <?php new_topic(); ?></th>

<th><?php _e('Posts'); ?></th>

<th><?php _e('Last Poster'); ?></th>

<th><?php _e('Freshness'); ?></th>

</tr>



<?php if ( $super_stickies ) : foreach ( $super_stickies as $topic ) : ?>

<tr<?php topic_class(); ?>>

<td><?php _e('Sticky:'); ?> <big><a href="<?php topic_link(); ?>"><?php topic_title(); ?></a></big></td>

<td class="num"><?php topic_posts(); ?></td>

<td class="num"><?php topic_last_poster(); ?></td>

<td class="num"><small><?php topic_time(); ?></small></td>

</tr>

<?php endforeach; endif; ?>



<?php if ( $topics ) : foreach ( $topics as $topic ) : ?>

<tr<?php topic_class(); ?>>

<td><a href="<?php topic_link(); ?>"><?php topic_title(); ?></a></td>

<td class="num"><?php topic_posts(); ?></td>

<td class="num"><?php topic_last_poster(); ?></td>

<td class="num"><small><?php topic_time(); ?></small></td>

</tr>

<?php endforeach; endif; ?>

</table>

<?php endif; ?>



<div id="search">

<?php search_form( $q ); ?>

</div>



<br />

<img src="http://teccahigh.com/wp-content/themes/revolution/images/divide.png"><br />

<h2>Members Online</h2>

<small>Online now:

<?php do_action('members_online_now',''); ?></small><br />

<small>Online today:

<?php do_action('members_online_today',''); ?></small>



</div>



<?php include 'sidebar.php'; ?>



<div style="clear:both;"></div>



<?php bb_get_footer(); ?>

[nuttycoder]

looking at the source code you have a double break tag remove the second break tag and there won’t be such a big gap.

<a href="http://www.audioscribbler.co.uk/boards//topic.php?id=81">What music are you looking forward to in 2009?</a>

<br />

<br />

<a href="http://www.audioscribbler.co.uk/boards//topic.php?id=83">Glissando - UK tour 2009</a>

<br />

<br />

<a href="http://www.audioscribbler.co.uk/boards//topic.php?id=48">putting things on top of cats</a>

<br />

<br />

<a href="http://www.audioscribbler.co.uk/boards//topic.php?id=66">8/11 - Leeds - Hauschka (Fat Cat) + Gareth S. Brown</a>

<br />

<br />

<a href="http://www.audioscribbler.co.uk/boards//topic.php?id=72">7/11: James Yates/Moleck/Pattern/Cigars of the Pharoah LEEDS</a>

<br />

<br />

[beernews]

Thanks for your help, Chris. Shockingly it didn’t work. I am using bbOrg theme for which there is no rss php file. So I changed the one in kakumei but didnt work. Maybe there is an override built into BBPress, WordPress somewhere else with the exact same code?

Note that I removed it on both my local server bbpress file and my actual live site’s server. Didn’t work in either case.

http://beernews.org/ Look at the left sidebar.

[rensenieuwenhuis]

Today I installed bbpress alpha-2, and overall it seems to work very fine. I also installed the bbPress Live plugin to my wordpress blog.

The two widgets, however, do seem to have a peculiar little problem: when I ‘instal’ one on on of my two sidebars, all goes well. However, if then subsequently alter, add, or remove another widget, the bbPress Live widgets are removed. I fail to understand why.

I thought to circumvent this problem by installing these widgets as the last ones, but this does not allow to install different widgets in different columns of a WP blog.

Do I do something wrong, or is this a bug?

(ps. you can find my blog on http://www.rensenieuwenhuis.nl, and find the two widgets installed (necessarily on the same column)).

[ganzua]

“What’s the actual problem? How are you using it, what do you expect it to do, what exactly is it doing?”

->

In my wp-bb integration, bbpress is integrated in wordpress and the forum uses the wordpress sidebar. I want to insert advertising blocks in the free space that I have in the bottom of the sidebar.

I’m trying to use wp conditional tags to display different ad blocks because in some pages I have space enough for one block, and in other pages I have space for two or three blocks.

In wp single pages I can display at least two 120×600 blocks so I’m using is_single() but I realized that these blocks are appearing in the bbpress forum too! and I just have no space enough for them so I want to change them for a 125×125 block when the forum is displayed or perhaps I could remove all ads when bbpress displayed.

So “How are you using it” -> after copy/pasting your function in my theme functions file, I inserted this code in my sidebar;

‘

<?php if (is_bbpress()

|| is_archive()

) { ?>

<!– 125×125 block –>

…

…

<?php } ?>

<?php if (is_single()

|| is_page()

) { ?>

<!– 160×600 block –>

…

…

<?php } ?>

‘

“what do you expect it to do” -> showing different ads blocks in the sidebar when bbpress displayed

“what exactly is it doing” -> is showing the blocks I set for is_single ()

[chrishajer]

In your admin panel, under the Content tab, is there something for Bozos (I can’t remember since I turned off the bozo thing on my forum, it was a big PITA)? Mine admin panel under content shows topics, posts and forums, but I thought there used to be one for bozo.

If so, look there. If not, in the first page of the admin panel, is there a “recently moderated” section on the right sidebar? Are the posts there?

I know the users are NOT bozos, but I still suspect they are marked as bozos, so the post shows when they look at it when they’re logged in, but no other users will be able to see their post. To them, it looks normal, to everyone else, they’re invisible.

Here is something I posted earlier this year about bozos:

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/fix-or-remove-bozo-function-before-it-kills-bbpress?replies=5

Related:

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/problems-with-posting?replies=3#post-5151

That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

[ganzua]

After integrating wp and bb and having wordpress header, footer and sidebar for both, wp and bb, I have these wordpress functions in my sidebar;

<?php wp_register(”); ?>

<?php wp_loginout(); ?>

<?php wp_meta(); ?>

And in bb press frontpage I have this one;

<?php login_form(); ?>

First, I thought I could replace wp functions in the sidebar for bbpress’ <?php login_form(); ?> but this function it is not defined for wordpress and I have got an error.

Besides there are two other problems;

* if users register through bbpress, their roles are not defined in wordpress

* if I remove wordpress meta functions from the sidebar I lose the link to the admin control panel.

Well, another option would be using the wp functions for login;

<?php wp_register(”); ?>

<?php wp_loginout(); ?>

<?php wp_meta(); ?>

and then changing their beaviour so;

* whenever you login you are not taken to the control panel unless you are the admin

* whenever you are an user and you click in “site admin” link wich appears above the log-out link, you are taken to the bbpress profile.php

My questions are; first of all, do you find any sense in all of this or is it just crap?

does anybody know where is defined wordpress login meta links so I can change them?

and finally, does anybody have a better idea?

[ganzua]

“ganzua, can you post a link to your forum so we can take a look at the html/css?”

-> I didn’t upload yet, sorry, as soon as I finish I’ll post a link so you can check everything. I’m working in my computer yet.

I integrated wp and bb, and I removed bbpress header, footer and stylesheet. Now I’m using wp header, footer, sidebar and stylesheet for both, wp and bb.

I still have to find out what to do with login and profile forms because I have two instances of each one, one for bbpress and one for wp.

Besides I have to find out how to integrate emoticons, toolbar in forms (I have quicktags in bb and tinymce in wordpress) , post count, avatars… In fact I do not even know if all this is possible.

“to get both IE6 and IE7 on the same Windows machine, check this out:

* http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE&#8221;

-> Thanks for the tip! I’m checking the link

[fel64]

Your HTML has improved. This is your current structure of major div elements:

div id="wrap"

div header [1]

div header [2]

div wrap [x]

div right

div sidebar

div content

div hottags

div discussions

div footer

You have two div elements with id wrap. IDs should always be unique, and the second one, marked with [x], is empty anyway so you can go ahead and delete it. You also have duplicate headers. The content of header [2] should be the only thing in header [1]. Div sidebar should be at the same level as div header is, not a child element. You can also delete the div right, as it’s kind of pointless.

Div footer should not be in content. It should be on the same level, not as a child. That should fix some problems with it, too. You can take out both float: left; and display: inline; in the CSS file for div content – they seem to cancel each other out, and floating it is unnecessary anyway and could come back to bite you later.

Your main problems in IE seem to be (seem, I don’t have dev tools for it) that major wrap is not centered and that content is just wide enough to conflict with sidebar. Slowly decrement the width of content and test if that makes it work. I am surprised it’s not centered in IE7, I’m fairly sure that the CSS margin: 0 auto; worked. However, to center it in IE6, you need to add the text-align: center; property to the wrap element (in CSS). To counter the effect this has on text, you need to add text-align: left; to header, sidebar and content.

When logged in, the div class post at the very bottom of the sidebar is not closed. You can just get rid of it I think. You are also using li elements for your Private Message Manager and Community Forum links, without actually having opened a ul or ol for them, which would probably cause problems so just remove the li tags.

That’s a start, anyway. Try it and we’ll see if it’s fixed anything.

[Null]

I would remove the Hot Tags part and put it in a side bar (since both of them are missing when viewing the forum). This also gives the forums itself more space (cause the Hot Tags are in the sidebar now).

[chrishajer]

You have an extra </div> before <div id="sidebar">. Remove that and I think it will be fine.