[johnhiler]

There’s some real passion here, which is great! There’s nothing stopping any of us from forking the code… that’s how WordPress was started after all. A fork of b2.

I want to go back to an important point that was raised earlier.

Matt isn’t taking us all out to dinner?!??

[kevinjohngallagher]

I dont own, and never have owned a mac; nor joined peace corp; nor saved Africa. But thanks, you have made me laugh alot tonight

It’s usually me who write these stupid things on this forum, it’s nice to not be the daft one for a change, and man, it’s a huge change haha!

we are on the same team yo!

I’m hereby submitting a formal transfer request. I’ll join any team apart from Rangers

[kevinjohngallagher]

Basically Terence,

If you know you’re way around WordPress and are good at theming or hacking some code into a fucntions.php file, then you’ll find bbPress easy to set up and get going.

Looking into the future of bbPress is never going to help. It doesn’t have a project lead, other than the Wizard of Oz (every 6 months there is a voice from behind the curtain that everyone bows down to). But it’s open source software, it’s never going to go away, and the next version does have some great little fixes.

My biggest suggestion is this: How busy will your forum be, and how much moderation will it need? bbPress fails at helping you moderate your site once it gets very busy.

Knowing it’s faults though, it’s still my go to bit of software for forums where I’m expecting less than 100 posts a day.

Kev

[kevinjohngallagher]

With respect, If you think I’ve sucked up to anyone – especially Matt or Automattic people – you’ve really not read alot of my posts. I’ve been very forward, blunt and vocal about Matt dropping the ball on this, not only on this site but on others.

That doesn’t mean I’m going to agree with you, or anyone else, when you insulting someone’s person. Thats not sucking up, thats just being decent. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion.

Matt has messed up. But he’s human, and this is a collaborative effort. You can’t put the blame for everything that goes wrong on one person. Or you can, but in the end you’re only going to alienate yourself from people who have the same goal.

That’s the whole point people, we all built the code and all the plugins

Did “WE”?

You know Matt wrote bbPress right?

You know Matt’s emplyees then fixes bbpress (albeit in an adhoc manner) until bbpress 0.8.3, right?

You know Matt then paid for a ‘full time’ developer for bbPress (Sam Bauers) for a year, right?

Matt is directly/indirectly responsible for more code than anyone else on this project.

Yes, he’s causing more issues than he’s solving right now, and yeah it’s annoying; but insulting his person by saying he doesn’t have Brains or Heart is just childish. And bluntly, unhelpful.

Notice how this site’s Alexa rate is a steady 12k… the entire world is waiting on this mates!

Lets be honest, the entire world isn’t waiting for this. I’ve spent a large chunk of time in Africa volunteering, building schools and basic irrigation. “The World” doesn’t care. We care, but its’ just forum software. Lets look at this in perspective.

Look, if you want Matt/AutoMattic/Developers/bbPress-community/Santa to come together or move forward in a particular direction thats cool. But making grandeous statements like this with no hard facts or suggestions doesn’t help at all. Half of what you said in your second post is so wrong it’s unreal. Honestly, if you want change and you want to help, cool. But don’t just spout facts and conclusions that you’ve made up.

we are on the same team yo!

I… I’m not sure what to say to that.

Can I change teams? Or can we vote people off?

[wtfmatt]

Why the heck does everyone continue to think this is up to matt and keep sucking up to him? That’s the whole point people, we all built the code and all the plugins, what in god’s name does matt have to do with this anymore besides what… owning the domain name?

Yes matt is a nice smart guy, but he doesn’t have a HEART for bbpress. He has the brain, but not the heart, is my point. And right now he’s not even using his brain for bbpress so what’s the point of your compliments to him, a rattled nervous praise to *hope* he doesn’t delete bbpress.org???

Nobody is asking for his time, or efforts! We are just asking that he LET GO of the reigns that he obviously has no interest in holding himself. And by the way, you shouldn’t accuse me of insulting matt, when he is the one that INSULTS US regularly… we are on the same team yo! We can build and take care of this project without him if he would just let people that have a heart for the bbpress project access the server and define goals and deadlines for the project.

Letting bbpress go the route of a WP plugin is just matt’s round about way of saying “f*ck off” I’m gonna kill this community and sweep it under the rug into the “not so regularly updated” plugin world.

And as _ck_ said, if it becomes a plugin, then what the heck happens to the bbpress plugins? You can’t install plugins of plugins!

I don’t know _ck_ well but I know she practically built half the code on this site by herself. That shows HEART. And I know there are others too with just as much heart, like Gautam, etc. I’m not here to play politics, please don’t try and interpret my words! Kevin man you are exactly what I’m talking about, you are smart and have HEART, but you won’t stop playing this nerdy suckup game as if one day matt is going to take you out to dinner. HE WONT. So please stop sucking up and let’s get this stuff done brother!

If you ask me, I think we should bug matt until he gives in. Emails, blog comments, whatever. He will get the point.

Or do you have another 2 years to waste?… cuz I don’t. Notice how this site’s Alexa rate is a steady 12k… the entire world is waiting on this mates! Don’t THROW IT AWAY!

p.s. I’m not hiding behind a fake identity. I’m not a “well known” member of bbpress so don’t fret y’all…

[kevinjohngallagher]

You’ve got define in twice:

instead of define('x','y') you’ll have definedefine('x',y')

I’d start again with a clean bb-congif.php and input the details as required.

[Gautam Gupta]

Well, about the code prob, here’s the patch – http://backpress.automattic.com/attachment/ticket/25/functions.kses.php.diff

[kevinjohngallagher]

Ah BackPress.

Like Marrying my high school sweetheart it was a wonderful idea at the time, that somehow comes back to bite me on the behind every damned day ever since ;-]

(here’s hoping she doesn’t google me!!)

Mr Pelle,

I truly believe that bbPress is a grand little product, it’s so flexible and extendable that it’s potential in unbridaled. if your forum doesn’t requite alot of moderation, then I can’t think of anything better than bbPress.

It’s just hampered by no management and no communication, which I feel only exasperate/exagerate it’s problems. And this comes from the the moany SoB who points them out

bbpress 1.0.3/1.1 (cos we’ve no-one in charge to make the decision to release anything) contains a great number of bug fixes that have plagued bbPress for too long. All small, all annoying and great to get them out of the road. Even if you don’t need the 2 new** features, it will be a good thing when this comes out and you upgrade.

I’m all for pointing out mistakes, and keepingon top of this to geet things released, and maybe get some answers out of someone at some time (Seriously, 6 months per blog post – crazy from the company behind WordPress blogging platform) and then we’ll take stock and see what happens then.

** they’re not new, we’d had them for years as plugins. God himself only knows why we couldn’t have a bug fix release instead, then work on new features. But that requires stakeholders to be consulted and decisions to be made…

[kevinjohngallagher]

Gareth Gates earned a bit over of leway in the Gallagher household for Jordan, but Stuart McCall… y’all are going to hell of keeping him alive/busy for a while longer

Anyway, what you want is to make sure that your bbPress config file has the same info as teh wordpress config file for each of these below

in WordPress

define( 'DB_NAME', 'database_name' );

/** MySQL database username */

define( ‘DB_USER’, ‘user_name’ );

/** MySQL database password */

define( ‘DB_PASSWORD’, ‘password’ );

/** MySQL hostname */

define( ‘DB_HOST’, ‘localhost’ );

/** Database Charset to use in creating database tables. */

define( ‘DB_CHARSET’, ‘utf8’ );

/** The Database Collate type. Don’t change this if in doubt. */

define( ‘DB_COLLATE’, ” );

in bbPress

define( 'BBDB_NAME', 'database_name' );

/** MySQL database username */

define( ‘BBDB_USER’, ‘user_name’ );

/** MySQL database password */

define( ‘BBDB_PASSWORD’, ‘password’ );

/** MySQL hostname */

define( ‘BBDB_HOST’, ‘localhost’ );

/** Database Charset to use in creating database tables. */

define( ‘BBDB_CHARSET’, ‘utf8’ );

/** The Database Collate type. Don’t change this if in doubt. */

define( ‘BBDB_COLLATE’, ” );

If they are the same, then I’m a bit clueless right now

[mr_pelle]

Just a quick reminder, that we’ve now reached 6 months without a blog post on bbPress (13th Jan to 13th Jun).

And we haven’t been able to type code on the forum for the last 3 weeks, and 30% of the pages in the new theme haven’t actually been ported over; and basic links in the header and footer are no longer working.

Geez… this makes me damn the day I chose bbPress as forum software for my company…

[kevinjohngallagher]

A Bradford man eh? I was down there on thursday.

Anyway, welcome to bbPress.

What you want to do here is look at your WordPress config file (wp-config.php) that is already on your website (i am presuming here that you’re wanting to add a forum for appertunity.com – or at least on the same server).

You will see what it has for each of the details that you filled in for the corresponding bb-config.php file. that should give you some insight as to what the database settings should be

[chrishajer]

Makes sense. I got that error about 15 times when I made a test post at http://bbpress.chrishajer.com/trunk

The post still went through, and the code is all messed up.

This was the bbPress ticket:

https://trac.bbpress.org/ticket/1283

Closed it and made a BackPress ticket:

http://backpress.automattic.com/ticket/25

[chrishajer]

Has it been 3 weeks for sure? I’d like to be able to go back and see when that problem was introduced. It seems to me it just started on new posts, but do you know if it happens when you pull up an old post that has code in it?

[chrishajer]

Kevin, we added the svn revision number to the version, so any theme that echos the meta generator tag will have the version, like “1.1-alpha-2440”. Checking the source here, this site is not running the very latest trunk, although it is running trunk of some revision (but a revision before 2441 – we just don’t know which one since the version tag was not changed until 2441.)

[meta name=”generator” content=”bbPress 1.1-alpha” /]

On my test installation http://bbpress.chrishajer.com/trunk/ you can see it’s running r2441:

[meta name=”generator” content=”bbPress 1.1-alpha-2441″ /]

Test posting there in code tag or backticks shows completely fubar formatting. It is apparently something we can fix in trunk. Not sure when that particular problem was introduced.

[kevinjohngallagher]

Just a quick reminder, that we’ve now reached 6 months without a blog post on bbPress (13th Jan to 13th Jun).

And we haven’t been able to type code on the forum for the last 3 weeks, and 30% of the pages in the new theme haven’t actually been ported over; and basic links in the header and footer are no longer working.

[kevinjohngallagher]

Is bbPress going to live or morph into something else?

Both. According to Matt, who stated it back in January in the middle of an IRC chat, bbPress will become a WordPress plugin… eventually.

I doubt that’ll happen anytime soon though.

With the release of WP 3.0 just around the corner (I am already running WP3 RC2), what’s going to happen with bbPress then?

Same as what’s happening now. Some good folks will work on code (some community members, some Automattic folks), and we’ll sitin silence not knowing what tomrrow will bring.

Do I install bbPress on WP as a forum and use BuddyPress to access it?

If you’re using BuddyPress, you’re not talking to the people behind the bbPress you’re using. the bbpress that works with BuddyPress is a different beast, and for some reason they decided not to rename it, so we get the support questions and bad rep – constantly!

Or is something going to change and make the combination and integration of all the plugins for each and of WP3/bbPress/BuddyPress all too much of a royal pain in the petutie?

WP/BuddyPress plugins are never going to work with bbPress.

There’s a long answer behind why, but basically, thats a no go.

I wish someone could give me some clarity on the direction bbPress and BudyPress are going.

BuddyPress actually has some great folks who are very communicative and support their community so well it’s unreal. But you’d need to be on the BuddyPress forum for that – as it’s got nothing to do with us.

bbPress, well, we’d all like some communication – but thats never been it’s strong point. Don’t worry, thats not new, and it’s not going to change.

Someone. Anyone?

ECHO ECho Echo echo… etc

[Gautam Gupta]

Change them to forum_link( $topic->forum_id ), forum_name( $topic->forum_id ), post_author_title_link( $topic->topic_last_post_id ) (not tested, but should work).

(Replace > with the greater than sign.)

[driz]

I have the following code on my front page to display the topics:

<?php if ( $topics ) : foreach ( $topics as $topic ) : ?>

<li<?php topic_class(); ?>>



<span class="left">

<strong><?php bb_topic_labels(); ?> <big><a href="<?php topic_link(); ?>"><?php topic_title(); ?></a></big><?php topic_page_links(); ?></strong>

<span class="time"><a href="<?php topic_last_post_link(); ?>"><?php topic_time(); ?> ago</a> in <a href="<?php forum_link(); ?>"><?php forum_name(); ?></a></span>

</span>

<span class="author">by <a href="<?php post_author_title_link(); ?>"><?php topic_last_poster(); ?></a></span>



</li>

<?php endforeach; endif; // $topics ?>

BUT the forum_link, forum_name, and post_author_title_link functions do not work. Any ideas how I can get them to work on the front page or use alternative functions to show this information.

Thanks.

[eduardosilva]

Hello again _ck_, sorry for not giving any feedback earlier, but in the last few days I’ve been busy with my work and I wasn’t able to test your modification.

I just made some tests with your modification, but the problem with bb-admin persisted.

Anyway, I’m happy with the current achievements, the forum working with SSL is pretty nice, and normally I just use the administration part at home or work (in a safe network).

Maybe one of us should fill a bug report for the https on the bugtracker?

Thanks for all the help and I’m glad to see you back in the forums.

[gadamiak]

Exactly. After that I manually deleted bbpress_been_blocked from usermeta table for that user but it got back somehow.

I just upgraded to latest revision from the trunk (2442), but the problem persists. This site is still in testing stage so I’m going to reinstall it and see if that helps.

[kevinjohngallagher]

One of the major things that bbPress doesn’t do well is make the forum easy to moderate in anyway. 7 clicks and 4 pages to delete 1 user, and no ability to mass delete is mental.

If you have a forum that needs constant moderation for any reason, bbpress might not be the best solution sadly

[kevinjohngallagher]

I am not happy about a lot of things with bbPress, specifically it’s management and communication; which have been shockingly bad for 2 years now. I also think tht Matt really dropped the ball on bbPress and then somewhat screwed us over with his comments against the “bbpress community” in his WordCap Keynote speech.

That said:

1) Don’t hide behind a fake profile. We all have opinions, and we all agree and disagree on many things. If you’ve got something to say, and you believe this is the place to say it, have the common decency to put your name to it.

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2) One has to differentiate between Matt the person, and Matt the Founder/CEO/Employee of Automattic. I have no doubt that Matt 100% wanted bbPress to succeed and he did help reinvigourate the project for a little while, he just dropped the ball again; but breaking his own rules:

http://ma.tt/2009/08/kill-your-community/

As I said herein the link below, Matt should have delegated bbPress to someone and kept up communication as Matt is an insanely busy dude. There is no doubt that WordPress 3.0 would take priority over bbPress, and there’s all the other pies that Matt has his finger in.

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/from-a-project-management-viewpoint

It’s not for you or me or anyone really to make demands of his or anyone else’s time. We can ask for information, especially really basic information that should be on this website – but Matt the person and Matt the head of Automattic doesn’t owe you/me/anybody anything.

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3) I think Matt got it wrong and messed up. He did so a couple of times in a row imo. I think he then did really wrong by us publicly taking a go at the folks who keep this site going – I thought that was underhanded and a total slap in the face to all the moderators (sorry the ONLY moderator) and people who didn’t jump ship. I lost alot of respect for Matt the person when that happened.

I think he continues to allow this to spiral but not communicating with anyone in a moderator or higher position so that some of these same questions can be answered; but bbPress is not his focus, and really, thats his call to make not ours.

It’s not like it wasn’t like this for bbpress1.0’s release and bbPress0.9 release, and as Matt said, the’ve fecked this up before and nothing changes:

We’ve done this before. Relax.

— Matt

— https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/from-a-project-management-viewpoint#post-63315

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4) I truly think this post covers my thoughts in a nice concise manner. And before making any posts like this, I strongly suggest reading it:

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/whats-happening-with-bbpress/page/5#post-64410

It followed a post by Gautam, who’s done stellar work since Matt’s departure, and was followed by the only moderator left asking a simple question and then Matt leaving the project. I think it shows the difference from where “we” the community are and where Matt is. And that’s ok, we’re all allowed to be in different places.

But posts like this is never going to be helpful.

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5) I think it’s very very wrong to state that Matt doesn’t have “heart, soul and brain”. The man is a really nice, wonderfully warm and smart human being. He’s just fracked up on this, and for teh first time in a long time, hasn’t looked at things objectively and help up his hands (which is one of the things I admire most about Matt over the years).

And bro, with all due respect to _ck_, without warning she left the project too and closed down her forum so we couldn’t access the code or discussions on it. I think _ck_ is an amazing amazing developer, and knows bbPress inside out; but I’m not sure on what you’re basing this presumption that she (or any of us) would be better at leading a community based project. _ck_ has in the past shown some signs of not being the happiest bunny when people start asking questions.

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6) I’m still laughing at how childish your fake profile name is. “wtfmatt”. Ha, you really should have just called yourself “impatient13yearold”.

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7) I was trying to reference this earlier. I wrote this alomst 18 months ago now. Crazy how much of it still holds true:

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/how-to-help-us-help-bbpress

Take care,

Kev

[gadamiak]

How to unblock a user, who once got blocked?

Changing user role doesn’t unblock. Removing bbpress_been_blocked from usermeta table doesn’t either. What’s the trick?

Running 1.0.2.

[ghettobsd]

This is what i found:

From: https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/slashes-being-added-in-front-of-apostrophes

User: baptiste

Post: Easy fix (hack) in bb-includes/template-functions.php, update this function to look like this:

function get_post_text() {

global $bb_post;

return stripslashes($bb_post->post_text);

}

May be an artifact of the wordpress integration – not sure.

The above did indeed work. But I still looked at the other posts and problems others had.

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/apostrophe-and-or-quotation-marks-cause-backslash-to-appear

user: arpowers

ok, found the answer wooooooo!

The ‘real’ reason this wasn’t working was….

‘magic_quotes_gpc’ is set to ‘off’ on my server (in php.ini)

All these other solutions are band-aids, my hunch is that making sure magic quotes is ‘on’ is the solution.

user: jackey

Putting “php_value magic_quotes_gpc 1” in my .htaccess file worked for me… for now.

The above also worked. So instead of editing the bbpress code, i just modified the .htaccess file (added to it), that 1 line fixed it. So I will go with it untill I see a problem.

Worth noting, someone said that by changing the code as per baptiste’s method could corrupt backups you make of sql. So, that was the reason I went with the .htaccess fix.

Thank you!

chrishajer: you are GhettoBSD Approved!

[ghettobsd]

Thanks to zaerl this is what i did to code:

http://pastebin.com/SAx377E4

So yeah that’s not what is affecting this problem. I will look into the links you pasted.

Thank you very much!