[ColinBradbury]

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I think my problem is somewhere in here… if that helps…

[ColinBradbury]

I have managed to run the validator and sorted out some of the problems but its left others that part of the bbpress code.

Unfortunatly this hasn’t fixed my sites problem any other ides?

[kevinjohngallagher]

I think what I might be confused about, is if bbPress as it is today is close to exactly what it should be, what would you want it to do 2 years from now that wouldn’t add more bloat or slow it down?

bbPress0.9 is as good as any forum software out there, save for 2 things. Moderation and the Admin section. It’s crazily fast, secure, and extentable. It’s let down by lack of actions/filters, default theme and documentation.

bbpress1.0 is 50% slower and breaks alot of plugins but has some more hooks and an Admin section. Moderation is still the big thing, as is the default theme.

A clear out (archiving) and rethink of the plugin section and the creation of a new theme would make it very very useable.

Additionally both have also been let down by the layout/use of this forum, which makes finding information difficult; and a plugin section that doesn’t work.

Basically, all the feature requests we recieve, all go over the same ground – and can be covered by plugins. Most are covered by plugins (in a 90%) sort of way. With everything in Limbo there is no need to take things to the n-th degree.

From an honest to goodness Project management point of view, bbPress can be where we need it to be within 9 month – a year. But that time grows as we add more features (that we already have as plugins grrr) and less bug fixes.

So yeah we could fork it as is. But given Matt’s current desire to berate us (both the people here and the software) in public at Wordcamps, and his latest more… evangelistic approach to publicly taking umbridge at anyone he doesn’t like or disagrees with him; he makes the envornment out there relatively difficult to consider moving into, while intentionally hampering our efforts here.

If today, it’s good; then let’s fix up what we have to put out a solid 1.1 stand-alone, and when shift gears to focus on 1.2 as the plugin milestone.

Dude, we’re trying.

I mean, i know you know that

But in order for that to happen, we need the head honcho or “he who wont talk to us, only about us in keynote speeches”. All Keymasters, all of those who package things up and can edit the website… AutoMattic. The same folks who’re scrapping us for you.

I hate this looking like an US vs. THEM scenario, it just polarises people, and looks childish. But in honesty, “we” didn’t put ourselves in this holding pattern.

Additionally, putting out a solid 1.1 standalone will be tough and time consuming. We’ve 13 months of bugs, we’ve 13 months of backPress changes and potential changes in 3 releases of WordPress to contend with; there is going to be alot of bugs found in testing – and with Jane telling people that bbPress in its current implementation isn’t going to even work the WordPress.org forums and Matt telling people not to use the software we’re are hemmoraging people.

[kevinjohngallagher]

it also works for me

Then why the bumping?

Can I just add one page in root and include all template pages in this file?

No.

I’ll stick to create multiple pages in root for making multiple template pages?

Yes

[kevinjohngallagher]

Does a plugin (sponsored or otherwise) help new and updated versions of bbPress core get released to everyone that’s using it? No.

But then JJJ mate, nothing does.

We’ve not had a core release in over a year. It’s not like theres not been code added. Our only option was to add plugins to fix the functionality.

I’m not wanting to get too historical, but you’ve not been here in the trenches for a while bro. Your last non BuddyPress topic you opened was well over a year ago. Other than teh welcome back Matt stuff, you aint been here my friend. You’ve not been here during the “all your plugins won’t work – lets take stock after 1.0’s released” era where we entered limbo.

That limbo stayed when Sam left, so our bug fixes added to the core weren’t released.

That limbo was compounded when Matt came and announced no bug fix release.

Since then we’ve been adding to the core, and now Matts against us releasing (not that we can because we’re tied into BackPress which has only had 2 core updates in 5 months – instigated by us).

With respect, what you fail to realise here is that bbPress is very close to being ideal for alot of us. Not adding to the Core is not down to a lack of desire to add to it, but rather not able to jump through the gates of the gatekeeper – especailly as he refuses to talk to anyone about bbPress (unless insulting us publicly).

The major gripes that people have with bbPress have all been fixed. Yes 90% of them are currently in plugins, but they would be alot tighter and brought into line if 1) we weren’t in a holding pattern for over a year and 2) Automattic stopped fucking with the website so people could actually get at the plugins!!!

I’m not against you making an awesome forum plugin for WordPress (little p); I contributed a little to Justin Tadlock on his 2nd attempt (although at a high level) and I’ll be glad to help you on this project too. But make no mistake my friend – you’re views on bbPress have been tainted by the perception that Automattic has been (mud?) slinging for a while.

Now you may think i’m wrong on that, no worries.

Can i ask then, what advantages will this plugin have over the current bbPress, and what disadvantages?

I’m presuming that someone thought that out before making this decision

[John James Jacoby]

I have funded the development of dozens of bbPress plugins, almost all of which are available on the plugins tab as open source. They are just not released under my name, as I didn’t do the programming.

I have gone out of my way not to bash on bbPress on the forums, and to be supportive of the platform. I have 19 pages of posts on the bbPress forums, mostly answering questions from users.

I don’t think I deserve the comments you directed at me. That said, I wish you all the best with your new project.

Plugins are great, but they haven’t helped lead bbPress or contribute to the core project. Everyone appreciates any plugin that shows up in any repo, sponsored or not, yours or not.

I say this in the nicest way possible, but you shouldn’t have to go out of your way to be a genuinely nice person. Any and all contributions are always 100% awesome, so nothing I say ever is meant to mean anything other than that. The topic here is bbPress core, which means what comes in the bbpress.zip.

I’m sorry if you feel anything I said to you was off-putting. Just trying to put out this fire and answer questions with what I know to be true.

there is no way a bbPress plugin is going to be robust enough in 2010 for the public

Probably very true, and I wish I had the chance to start this topic; it sort of got started without us. We’re still going to work really hard to get something out there. Compatibility is the number 1 priority before this should even be considered to use with existing data.

Thanks for sticking to the 0.9 branch _ck_. I’ll be keeping equal eyes on the bbPress trac and BuddyPress trac, so if something crops up in 0.9 that needs committing or requires a security release, we can make that happen.

The trac is open to everyone to snoop through all of the code, and I welcome the criticism of the plugin branch 100%. I want it to be the go-to discussion forum software for every WordPress powered site, and I know that a team of people can’t do that by themselves, nor should they have to.

[John James Jacoby]

It’s hardly dismissive. Sorry you feel that way, but it’s meant to say that those of you that are upset, are also choosing not to hear what we’re saying anymore; you’re just mad and there’s not much I, or Matt, or anyone can do about that.

Over the past year, we’ve seen people request more features, people request less features, people want new leadership, people want to know the direction of the project, etc… The fact is that you can start developing the core right away by submitting patches in the trac. If you’re not doing that, then you’re not investing in the future of the platform, you’re investing in your own ventures which I’m happy to help with, but can’t be responsible for.

Sorry you feel it’s been badly handled, but to be quite fair, it’s partly because we’ve been directly answering everyone’s questions in this topic, and partly because this won’t happen for several months anyhow. This is big news to deliver, that’s why it hasn’t been delivered yet.

John, you can continue to spend as much money as you’d like on the future of bbPress, doing those exact same things the exact same way. If you’re satisfied with what you’ve invested in today, you will continue to be tomorrow. Nothing changes other than bbPress has a team of developers that are communicating to everyone now.

I’ve answered the ‘same name’ question a few times already, as have a few others. I mean nothing but the utmost respect when I say this, but there is nothing preventing anyone that’s upset here from developing bbPress core themselves and keeping up a stable branch if they see fit. It’s very much a meritocracy, so if you keep developing, you’ll keep climbing the ladder.

There’s also nothing wrong with forking it the same way WordPress did with b2 in the beginning. We’d rather have you on board, but if you just can’t and won’t be involved in the future bbPress plugin, then all I can do is keep repeating myself.

[ColinBradbury]

Hi I have customised the default theme as to make it match the rest of my site but I am having a major problem getting this page to look right http://www.supporttheanimals.co.uk/bbpress/topic.php?id=3 as you can see all the posts are towards the bottom of the page, could anyone tell me which section of the CSS of files I need to edit to fix this.

Also as a not so important but just an annoyance thing, if you navigate to another part of my site you will notice that the BBPress theme doesn’t quite match the rest of my site, mainly I think due to an error on my part with setting up the margins and padding but I can’t for the life of me find that solution either so if anyone can spend a moment or two to maybe let me know what I have done there too please?

If you need any of my code please don’t hesitate to ask you can contact me here or via email colin @ supporttheanimals.co.uk (without the spaces).

Kind Regards

Colin

Founder of Support The Animals

http://www.supporttheanimals.co.uk

[John James Jacoby]

Yeah… We both basically missed each other when we started both of those. That was just a miscommunication and probably a blunder on my part. I’m not sure who did what first, but we’re going to merge those two and close one of them down soon.

The way it sits today, is that ‘bbdevel’ is and has been the existing standalone development blog, and I opened ‘bbpdevel’ back in January when I originally started writing plugin bbPress code, not knowing if there was an existing dev blog, because there weren’t really existing devs . I got busy with work, and it sat for a while, and now it’s back in full swing.

If you need a way to remember it, think ‘bbp’ means bbPress plugin maybe? It wasn’t originally intended to be like that, but might help. I basically mirrored wpdevel(WordPress) and bpdevel(BuddyPress)

[citizenkeith]

Which Dev Update site should we be looking at now?

http://bbdevel.wordpress.com/

http://bbpdevel.wordpress.com/

This is just the beginning of the confusion, I’m sure. Thanks for keeping us posted. We’ve been in the dark for a while, and it’s nice to hear from the plugin developers, even though some of us still use bbpress 0.9.

[John James Jacoby]

Can’t speak on anyone’s behalf, but I imagine he does. Those sites can continue to run bbPress all the same, and if a bug fix or security issues pops up with 1.0/1.1 branches, the responsible thing to do is to fix it and push out updates.

I think what I might be confused about, is if bbPress as it is today is close to exactly what it should be, what would you want it to do 2 years from now that wouldn’t add more bloat or slow it down?

If today, it’s good; then let’s fix up what we have to put out a solid 1.1 stand-alone, and when shift gears to focus on 1.2 as the plugin milestone.

If someone crops up in 1.1 while we’re working on 1.2, then we put out a 1.1.1, etc…

Nothing is being dropped, or abandoned, or tossed aside anytime soon. The plugin is just a new branch of code with the same heart and soul, that will be able to import existing installations into WordPress.

[cnc]

it also works for me, but if I want to create multiple pages then?

Can I just add one page in root and include all template pages in this file?

like in root file i want something like this

http://pastebin.com/33EfWn4p

or I’ll stick to create multiple pages in root for making multiple template pages?

anyone interested to help?

[kevinjohngallagher]

The answer is both simple and not so simple.

You’re basically taking advantage of how modern browsers will give you wiggle room on your code. For example you’ve set your header to height 200px, and thus the background will only ever be 200px, even though your header is about 350px long (the content doesn’t start for 205px).

What I suggest is this:

– Remove the hight property from your header.

– Add a padding to your header of 205px to put all header content starting below your image.

– add a clearing div after every section of Floats. (above the closing tag of the header div for example).

One of the things IE6-8 does really well, is that it wraps everything in the code you put it in, which was in the original specification for HTML and CSS (IE was the first browser to support CSS, some 2 years before any other after all).

“modern” browsers won’t consider anything with a float to belong to the parent, so as your form and link are floated although in the header, they won’t ever be wrapped by it.

This is a good example, and I cant wait for some folks to read this, where testing in IE6 is brilliant. It would have caught these v early – as its unforgiving.

EDIT: Actually Pastor Bob, why not copy over the header of your WordPress site. It’s very nicely made.

Kev

[zaerl]

You want to directly embed my code in your bbPress? I don’t think that it’s a wise choice. Anyway my plugin is GPL so you can do whatever you want with the code. Grab it and copy the code where you want.

Keep in mind that my plugin can’t be used to hide the entire forum (it’s a design choice). I think that swirl is the best choice.

[pedagog]

Hello zaerl

Thank you for responding. At the moment I am unable to test your plugin. However, I think I may be able to test it in a few days.

Could you provide me with code so I could code it directly without using a plugin? I would prefer to use coding myself if possible to give me a better understanding of what I am doing.

Many thanks

[mr_pelle]

http://pastebin.com/2yLbmmEG

Add that to your functions.php. If you do not have one, create it in your active template directory and just wrap the code above into a pair of PHP tags.

[kevinjohngallagher]

Hi Pastor Bob,

I’ve had a quick look at your forum and it appears to be working.

What I’d suggest is making it even simpler.

<div id="returntomain-site">

<a href="wordpress-link"> My WordPress Form </a>

</div>

From there you can build up

As a tip, add this line of code after your 4 divs inside your footer div.

<div style="float:none; clear:both;"></div>

[pastorbobsforum]

Hello.

Thank you for the fast intervention. I should have thought twice before asking my uneducated questions.

After a few modifications in my header, I cannot access my forum at all.

This is what I have in my style.css

#returntomain-site {

font-family: Georgia;

font-style: bold;

float: left;

position: right;

font-weight: bold;

width: auto;

font-size: 16px;

padding: 205px 0px 0px 0px;

margin: 5px auto 10px 20px;

}

#returntomain-site a {

color: #000;

font-weight: bold;

text-decoration: none;

}

#returntomain-site a:hover { color: #666; text-decoration: underline;}

This is what I use in header.php, to get my link underneath the header, on the right side, opposite to the login.

<div id="header" role="banner">

<?php if ( !in_array( bb_get_location(), array( 'login-page', 'register-page' ) ) ) login_form(); ?>

<div id="returntomain-site"><a>" title="<?php esc_attr_e('Return to main website's home page', ''); ?>" rel="site"> <?php printf( __('%s', ''), 'Go back to The Christian Study' ); ?></a>

</div><

</div>

Now, what I don’t get is why when I simply comment these sections in header and style, the forum is still down, but when I remove them completely, the forum comes up again. In both situations (commented bits vs.removed), I can perfectly well login into my account. There is definitely something wrong with my theme. If only I knew what…

My forum is here http://www.pastorbob.limewebs.com

Any advice?

Thank you.

Bob

[kevinjohngallagher]

You can edit your Template/Theme and add a link manually

[kevinjohngallagher]

bbPress 1.0.3, and bbPress 1.1, are still being actively developed. Once those versions are available, what /more/ would you want bbPress to do on its own?

Honestly mate? Bug fixes.

Some big bugs that we’ve had for over a year have been bumped because Matt told us we weren’t to have a bug fix release, and instead were to roll out a release with 2 new features instead.

8 weeks ago Matt started deleting milestones from Trac. Didn’t tell anyone. Took him 3 weeks to reply to emails wondering why.

bbpress1.0.3 was ready over 3 months ago (save for a Backpress bug we could live with/patch ourselves). Matt decreed we’ve not to package it and give it to folks as an alpha or even an actual release. We have to wait for 1.1 and the next version of BackPress to be ready. In order to speed that up, we’ve had to bump loads to 1.5, which now isn’t going to happen.

This is the end of the line for the current implementation of bbPress.

Yes. Just like 2.9.2 was the end of the road for the 2.9 branch of WordPress when 3.0 came along. I understand the obvious differences, but at the end of the day, it’s just another day.

Two differences here though bro.

1) No-one has actually said that yet.

2) The new bbPress plugin is a totally separate project, being run under the same banner. Other than being able to import the data from the existing project, its totally different. It doesn’t even have the same requirements. Or any of the same code.

This isn’t resistance to change, nothing is being changed, it’s being replaced. And someone needs to be very clear and categorical about that. This is very very different from going from WP2.9.2 to WP3.

This is effectively a hostile takeover. The people with the keys to this website are handing the reins over to new management; while everyone is speaking in positive PR/Management speak. I’m not saying that the hostile takeover won’t be benefitial in the long run or benefitial to more people than currently use this product – i’m just syaing that hostile takeovers breed questions and uncertainty. Some of that uncertainty needs to be managed.

I know that you’re a real positive guy JJJ, and I’ve said before it’s infectious because you deliver, and deliver with a smile. I can think of no-one better to deal with this.

But the horse has bolted, the cat’s out the bag, the jig is up; and it’s a shame your left here answering questions, but in honesty – to some of us this is our livelyhood and we really need definative answers that are crystal clear so we can quote them as needed and make business decisions that affect our lives.

I am sorry tht you couldn’t have done this in your own time and in your own way. Your handling and galvanising of the BuddyPress community has been great, as I’m sure it will be here as well, we just need to get over this hump so that we can work with you

[Ivaylo Draganov]

Some time ago I came across markItUp! – a markup editor written as a jQuery plugin. It can be attached to any textarea, providing editing interface to it. The best thing is that it that interface can be totaly customized and there are many sets that are ready to be downloaded, among which is a bbCode set.

I’ve been using _ck_’s bbCode toolbar plugin but it lacked buttons for adding colors and changing font-size, so I decided to swap it for markItUp. It turned up quite nicely and the code is dead simple. Here it goes:

First, download markiItUp, along with the necessery bbCode set

http://markitup.jaysalvat.com/downloads/download.php?id=releases/latest

http://markitup.jaysalvat.com/downloads/download.php?id=markupsets/bbcode

http://markitup.jaysalvat.com/downloads/download.php?id=addons/bbcode/colors

* the color set is seperate by default, so you’d have to merge it to the bbCode set later

Upload the downloaded files to a directory on your server (my choice was my-plugins/scripts) and include them in your template. You can do that using bb_head in functions.php of the theme (bbPress 1.x) or as a mini plugin (bbPress 0.9.x)

/*

Plugin Name: markItUp! for post form

*/

function mark_it_up_init() {

echo '

<!-- markItUp! scripts -->

<script type="text/javascript" src="' . bb_get_option('uri') . 'my-plugins/scripts/markitup/jquery.markitup.js"></script>

<script type="text/javascript" src="' . bb_get_option('uri') . 'my-plugins/scripts/markitup/sets/bbcode/set.js"></script>

<script type="text/javascript" >

jQuery(document).ready(function() {

jQuery("#post_content").markItUp(mySettings);

});

</script>

<!-- markItUp! stylesheets -->

<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="' . bb_get_option('uri') . 'my-plugins/scripts/markitup/skins/simple/style.css" />

<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="' . bb_get_option('uri') . 'my-plugins/scripts/markitup/sets/bbcode/style.css" />';

}



add_action('bb_head','mark_it_up_init');

* Or you could just add that code to your header.php (without the PHP function wrap-up).

And last but most important – include jQuery before markItUp! in your template. That is best done using <?php bb_enqueue_script('jquery'); ?>

You can see it in action on the forum that I manage:

http://comicsbistro.net/forum/?new=1

Hope that this will be useful to someone Cheers!

[mr_pelle]

To turn the whole forum private: https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/swirl-unknowns/

To hide single forums: https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/zaerl-visibility/

P.S: why on earth do you want your site to be invisible to websearches? Are you planning something evil??

[John James Jacoby]

Probably.

I just feel sorry for all the plugins developers…

No. Not probably, and not at all.

So far everyone’s managed to keep this pretty light and well mannered, and the easiest way to keep that pace is to not fuel any fires.

And what about non WordPress users?

Non WordPress uses can’t use VaultPress, or BuddyPress. As the plugin is being developed, if you have suggestions on how it might still be able to sit on top of BackPress, I’m open to building that into it also provided it doesn’t overly sacrifice performance in other areas.

There’s a lot of goals we hope to hit by doing this, one of which is allowing bbPress to be pocket sized and extensible from within WordPress, so that it can do other unique things that existing plugins have needed to jump through hurdles to achieve. Dedicated user forums, user groups, post/topic syncing, better BuddyPress integration, attachments, revision history, proper moderation, etc… If you don’t need those things, you can turn them off in WordPress all the same.

I know that my vote isn’t the popular one amongst the dedicated bbPress lovers, and there are lots of logistics to make this a smooth transition. With this initiative we have more people dedicated towards making this smooth and successful than bbPress has ever had in it’s 6 year history. That along with complete support from the original plugin author means it’s the next evolutionary step in bbPress’s journey.

I’ve been involved in too many hobbies to not know what it feels like when the version of something you love is discontinued, and something else replaces it that just ain’t the same. Cars, turntables, computers, cell phones, crock pots… You name it, I’ve dealt with the expiration of one thing, and moved on to the next.

The major difference with us and bbPress, is you all can help make the plugin do what you need it to by contributing code with patches. I couldn’t force Honda to bring back the del Sol CR-X if I tried.

[John James Jacoby]

They will if they came here for a stand alone software (or if they don’t use the latest version of WordPress).

If they’ve never used bbPress before, then they will come here not knowing it was ever standalone, and won’t have any issues installing a plugin, and turning it on.

This is the end of the line for the current implementation of bbPress.

Yes. Just like 2.9.2 was the end of the road for the 2.9 branch of WordPress when 3.0 came along. I understand the obvious differences, but at the end of the day, it’s just another day.

This entire support forum and plugin section for bbPress will have ZERO meaning for the plugin and will only serve to confuse people.

All the years of advice here for the two major versions of the standalone version will be useless for the plugin version.

It will have meaning for supporting legacy code, which happens all the time when something gets refactored in WordPress. Get it working in it’s current incarnation, then ensure backwards compatibility with existing installations that are already integrated with WordPress.

bbPress 1.0.3, and bbPress 1.1, are still being actively developed. Once those versions are available, what /more/ would you want bbPress to do on its own?

The *plan* is for everything to stay how it is, with no loss of data on bbPress.org, or anywhere else.

The bbPress extend section doesn’t include half of the things the WordPress.org section does now, in terms of compatibility checks, etc… By having bbPress as a plugin, we inherit that too.

I know that there’s broken spirits, and I don’t want it to be this way, but I can’t say anything any more clear to ease anyone’s anxiety about it.

Btw, the first commit is in. As you can all see, there’s plenty of work to do, so you’ll have nothing to worry about for a while.

[John James Jacoby]

My point is that 99% of people won’t know the difference.

If I choose to download and install a development version of Windows 8, I do so totally at my own risk. If I get burned by it, I can’t be mad at Microsoft.

Same rule applies to bbPress.

The development of the future plugin version does not impact what is available today. You either choose to be involved in that future, or you don’t.

Me saying (the plugin) is only in reference to conversations where it isn’t clear what we’re talking about. By the time anyone should realistically be trying out the plugin branch of code, we won’t need to use code words to talk about the differences.

One day hopefully in the not too distant future, we’ll flip this very site over to using the plugin without telling anyone, and when there is 0% difference in functionality and presentation, it will be time to start downloading it.

P.S. – I’m about 15 minutes off from committing they very primitive framework I have laid out, in case anyone wants to keep tabs.