[frooyo]

@Matt

What I’m looking for is someone to clearly define the product roadmap. This is something we have NEVER had.

Even reading the blog, irc and this forum – it’s still unclear to me what should be worked on for the next release. What will make it in, what won’t.

The problem with just looking at Trac is that anyone can just add a ticket to a release. Which then makes it appear the next release will never get completed because tickets just pile up.

https://trac.bbpress.org/roadmap

We need you to:

* Clearly establish what the next major features/work/purpose will be for the next release.

* Define exactly which tickets in Trac should be worked on for each release and those tickets to not work no, move those tickets to a future release.

* Set hard dates to have it completed by so that we have a target to work towards.

The bullets above does the following: It keeps those of us that can code focused to only work on what’s important (and also informs us what to work on if we’re not aware). It gives us a target to hit, right now we’re very blind.

This is what I’m looking for in a Benevolent Dictator. Don’t get me wrong, I love your involved but we need someone to provide some organization.

To give an example of a project that excutes the bullets above well is Edgewall, the makers of Trac. Just look at the following link on how well organized their releases are. Includes release date, pre-req tickets to fix, etc. http://trac.edgewall.org/roadmap

People like to be told what to do. Just tell us what to do … you’d be surprised at how many people will perform once asked and they know the target. (Just saying “please contribute code” is not enough, we need to be told specifically what needs to be contributed)

[Kevin Ryman]

@Matt

Thank you for keeping up with this thread! It is nice to see you around here!

I own a license for IP.Board 3 and vBulletin 4 which are the best professional (paid) bulletin board solutions. Now I started using BBpress two weeks ago because I felt like I had to “see” how much progress the software had made. It has made some progress since I last use it but if you compare it to its big brother (WordPress) it hasn’t really make a drastic chance. The simplicity and easy of use BBpress offers is amazing. That’s why I like to keep up with the developer news and updates… I would hate to see this project die because of luck of a developer team…

Thank for reading this post!

fyi:

Matt, you’re an amazing person. WordPress is an awesome project and so is BBpress! Thank you for bringing us these two projects!

[Matt Mullenweg]

That’s not how it happened at all. I have been leading the project and sheparding resources in many ways, which is why it started development again after several months of zero activity, but unfortunately I don’t have as much time as I would like. I care about bbPress, otherwise I wouldn’t have spent as much time as I have already, and hopefully as some people leave (I can’t believe you said you feel like a battered woman, the analogy feels completely inappropiate) others will join.

I’ve been keeping up with this conversation with the new email notification feature, for what it’s worth.

[frooyo]

@Matt

I think you’re missing the bigger point trying to be made.

Every “community project”, as you put it, has a Benevolent Dictator … someone who LEADS the project. bbPress for the past 6 months hasn’t had such a leader.

Frankly, many of us thought YOU were stating that you would take over that role as bbPress project lead. Apparently not.

If you don’t want that role, please post a blog post on it – that way we as a community can find someone else to drive/lead the bbPress project because clearly noone now from automatic has cared about bbPress since Sam left.

Not to be rude, but no wonder why both Sam and _ck_ left. I’m feeling like a battered women who just now realized that I’ve been abused for the past 2 years.

[Kevin Ryman]

I’m going to try this. Thanks in advance!

[Matt Mullenweg]

Yes, and the dearth of coders is the hardest to work around. Without code contributions bbPress will never be a community project.

[chrishajer]

Devote some resources to bbPress? Put someone in charge of the project?

Unfortunately, the people who care about bbPress (and we complain because we care) are not always the same people who can help with programming.

[chrishajer]

Marius-, kevinjohngallagher is correct. The issues you were having were purely CSS and template issues, not bbPress issues. Just because you’re using bbPress doesn’t make your question a bbPress question. To answer those questions would not be supporting bbPress, they’d be helping you design a forum theme. I just skipped over the question initially because it had nothing to do with bbPress.

[chrishajer]

I didn’t know you could make a child theme for bbPress.

[Matt Mullenweg]

I’ve given site and commit access to close to 10 people. Besides putting in my own time, which I do when I can, there’s not much else I can do.

[Marius-]

Designing with BBPress will always have something to do with BBPress.

[Kevin Ryman]

Every once in a while I come and see BBpress’ progress and wow and surprise people like _ck_ are gone. What’s going on here, Matt? We need a BBpress Dev Team. Seriously, BBpress is a nice bulletin board that deserves more attention. Lean and clean.

[kadr]

I only have one user on the site: the Admin and somehow I locked myself out.

The solution above doesn’t seem to work for me because the strin a:1:{s:9:"keymaster";b:1;} is alreadt inserted in that field…

any other ideas how to gain acces back to my bbpress install?

[Matt Mullenweg]

“Like what mate?” Core improvements — I’ve given core commit access to anyone who has shown ability. I’ve never told anyone to check for updates, you must be referring to someone else. I’m sorry it’s stressing you out so much.

[kevinjohngallagher]

I wish as much effort went into more productive activity

Like what mate?

Plugins?

Themes?

We’ve been sitting with a semi-functioning release for over 6 months, and there’s a new version coming out at some unknown point in the future, and given the track record, we can’t develop anything for it becasue BBpress releases = break loads of things from before.

Heck even your single solitary remaining moderator has told people that. (i don’t want to requote chris too much, he’s been a great mod who’s workign his socks off here, and don’t want to back him into a corner).

With the upmost respect bud, we can only go on what we’re told. And we’re told to check the blog, then we’re told to check the weekly IRC logs, then we’re told to check trac updates, then we’re told to check commits etc etc. Every time someone pulls a “chicken little” the place they’re told to check for updates doesn’t have any, and then they come back a bit more worried.

We’re not intentionally pulling a “chicken little” every 10 mins matey, we’re just trying to keep up. It takes very little time (thanks to a wonderful blogging platform ;-] ) to post saying “no irc chat for 3 weeks folks”, and the problem is solved.

Much like spam, it’s best prevented before it sets in, rather than being unhappy about it afterwards. May i suggest that less of the “Wizard of Oz” routine (man behind the curtain saying all is well) might diminish some of the “Chiken Little” routine that seems to irk? Maybe communication could be considered your Akismet

What i’m not sure you get it mate (and you might, so i’ll apologise if you do), that alot of us are in limbo with this. We’re all in a holding pattern waiting for this mythical next release, and man, we want to help. But with no communication, its really hard.

http://www.dilbert.com/fast/2003-10-12/

That said, really hope you had a great time on your travels

[Matt Mullenweg]

The sky is falling the sky is falling!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vnp4kj5lLOU

[johnhiler]

What do you mean by “pull a chicken little”?

[Matt Mullenweg]

I’ve been on the road for a few weeks — back now. People seem to pull a chicken little every 10 minutes though — I wish as much effort went into more productive activity but it seems there isn’t overlap.

[LizFilardi]

Hi:

I discovered an issue that I just wanted to share:

I installed bbpress in a subdirectory of WordPress without integrating. I used a new database and did not touch cookie integration. There are no plugins or content, as this installation is just for building a new child theme.

My WordPress child theme was designed using the Thematic theme framework. Now, I’m trying to design a bbPress child theme with the Hybrid theme framework.

However, my bbpress child theme will only refer to my WordPress Thematic child theme stylesheets in a completely different directory. This was even true when I tried to hardcode the @import lines in the bbpress child theme functions.php file.

I don’t know the solution, here, but thought I’d share for anyone else. If you want to test a child theme on your server, make sure you don’t install bbpress in a subdirectory of WordPress. I don’t know yet if it will work when I integrate WordPress and bbPress, but I assume it does since so many have already done that.

[kevinjohngallagher]

I was hoping that someone could point me towards BBpress or Automattic’s official stance on this. From what I’ve read, the PHP code that interacts with WordPress/BBpress should all be released under the GPL, but HTML/CSS/JavaScript/Images are not.

I bring this up, because a fellow developer (an old Bbprogress contributor), pointed me towards this piece by Jeff Chandler: http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2010/02/08/where-is-the-line-drawn/

The main thing that caught my attention was the comment of Chip Bennet , who states that:

[a] plugin uses a separate library – and it is that library (presumably not released under GPL) that requires purchase if it is used on a commercial site.

This practice is perfectly acceptable under the GPL. Whether or not it is acceptable under the double-secret probation, unwritten, subjective rules of the plugin repository is anyone’s guess.

Can anyone shine some light on this from a BBpress perspective?

I’m going to quote Matt here:

…that themes link and use lots of internal WordPress functions, which make them linked under the GPL and subject to being a GPL-compatible license.

If a theme (or a plugin) used no internal WP functions or APIs, then it could probably be considered independent, but that would be really really hard for a theme.

Basically, I’m asking because BBpress, probably more than WP (at least if you’re only using WP as blog platform) has potentail for premium theme’s and plugins at this moment in time. Getting some clarification would make things alot simpler.

My real concern here is one that won’t go down well…

BBpress forums have 1 current/active moderator

I ask for two reasons.

Should a premium theme/plugin be created and sold, and given that BBpress currently has 1 active Moderator, what is there to stop someone posting the code here or reusing the code that is NOT under GPL?

Not a huge concern of mine just now, but it seems like a likely question of anyone supporting premium BBpress additions.

[kevinjohngallagher]

Marius, i told you what the problem was:

Your issue has nothing to do with the footer, as it doens’t have any background associated with it. Your image of Michael Jackson is associated with your div with the id of WRAPPER. Your theme, for some reason, has not put the footer inside the wrapper. There is no white block hiding your image when you scroll the bottom, the DIV it’s assocaited with simply stops.

and I told you how to fix it :

Just move your footer inside your wrapper and you’ll fix it

I wasn’t being arrogant or mean, i was being honest with you mate, that if you are struggling with this sort of level of web design basics then this forum isn’t the best place for you – for your sake, not for mine

Your post above, like your post yesterday https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/need-help-placing-a-div-somewhere-for-custom-background hasn’t anything to do with BBpress. I’m not saying don’t ask for help, i’m saying that if you were to go to other websites and learn some of the basics of webdesign you’d have more skills to do it yourself – and thats a great feeling

I’m sorry you thought i was being arrogant, i thought i was being honest AND had told you the solution to your problem.

[kevinjohngallagher]

Marius,

With all due respect, if you dont know how to make this simple CSS fix, this isn’t the place for you to get help. The issue you’re having isn’t with BBpress.

I’d strongly suggest that you try one of the CSS websites and play around with your theme to achieve your desired goal. You’ll stumble upon the answer quicker than us explaining the basics of web design step by step

[kevinjohngallagher]

Hi Marius,

These really aren’t BBpress questions mate, and you’d have alot more success going to a CSS website. That said, I’ll try and help.

Your issue has nothing to do with the footer, as it doens’t have any background associated with it. Your image of Michael Jackson is associated with your div with the id of WRAPPER. Your theme, for some reason, has not put the footer inside the wrapper. There is no white block hiding your image when you scroll the bottom, the DIV it’s assocaited with simply stops. Just move your footer inside your wrapper and you’ll fix it

[Marius-]

Am I going to have to remove the footer completely then? And dont give BBpress its well deserved credit?

I have looked through the entire style.css and theres nothing making that background white.

I thought maybe it was local, so I have looked through footer.php, and frontpage.php, and still nothing. Why is the bottom of my page white?

[KillerSneak]

@Gautam

I’m admin / it’s my own site and can not save attachments. The restrictions are default

And even when i set them all (except for delete) to “read” it still doesn’t work, all is in order / folders are 777 and so on. Deactivated / Reactivated plugin no go for me