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Ok, it’s a slight fix since it’ll only solve one of the issues (I was having) with integration.
The problem was that I could not for the life of me force bbPress to set a ‘logged_in’ cookie with path ‘/’.
WordPress: domain.com
bbPress: domain.com/forum/
This meant once I’d logged in via bbPress, when I was browsing WordPress (although it set the ‘auth’ cookie fine and I could view wp-admin/) it ‘appeared’ that I was logged out (log in and register link, instead of log out and site admin).
I’d already tried this in bb-config.php, along with the other ‘integration speedups’ bbPress supplied;
$bb->sitecookiepath = '';I’d also tried setting it to ‘/’ as well, but every time the cookie would not get set.
And here was the culprit; line 673 in bb-settings.php;
$bb->sitecookiepath = rtrim($bb->sitecookiepath, '/');Then on line 735, it checks if $bb->;sitecookiepath is not set or empty. Otherwise, the ‘logged_in’ cookie for sitecookiepath will not get added to the $cookies array, and hence will not be set when wp_set_auth_cookie is called (specifically line 172, pluggable.php).
Changing the culprit to this fixed it for me;
$bb->sitecookiepath = '/' . trim($bb->sitecookiepath, '/');The complete fix (for me) was to force all logins, registrations and logouts through bbPress with this in a .htaccess at the WordPress root;
RewriteCond %{QUERY_STRING} action=register
RewriteRule ^wp-login.php forum/register.php [R=301,NC,L]
RewriteCond %{QUERY_STRING} action=logout
RewriteRule ^wp-login.php forum/bb-login.php?logout=1 [R=301,NC,L]
RewriteRule ^wp-login.php$ forum/bb-login.php [R=301,NC]
This actually worked out better for me, since bbPress by nature allows you to skin the login, and users get to enter a little more info for their profile during registration.
Hope this of some help to others!
“But yes, yes, GOD yes, the documentation whomps. Then again, so did WordPresses back in the day
“Agreed.
But lets learn from those mistakes
There has to be some level of organization to a forum, I think we can agree, since without form you have chaos and a splat list of data. Of course, organizing in a way that ‘makes sense’ is in the eye of the beholder.
I can’t visualize something ‘less rigid’ than the current iteration of bbpress type forms, since tags gives you a rather light level of ‘org’. Yeah, you still need some categories, but I don’t see how this negates a hierarchy, except in the case that bbPress cats are fake and, thus, annoying to me. Thinking back on the other forum software I’ve used, though, it’s all been a bit similar. You have a forum and sub-forums under that. So… okay, if that annoys you then, yes, everyone sucks equally
But what’s ‘better’?
The only option that would meet the no-standard output is something like an XML file that you format how you want. Dunno how you’d sort out hierarchy though. You’d probably have to treat everything as equal (i.e. it’s all ‘posted’) with flags for cat, forum and post in the SQL table to sort out output. But … Yeah, I can’t see how to unstructure it more.
But yes, yes, GOD yes, the documentation whomps. Then again, so did WordPresses back in the day
Hi _CK_,
Firstly, sorry about the gender thing (I blame going from French to English – to simplify I make everything masculine).
I’ve used the categories in 1.0alpha CK, and they do work wonders in the back end.
You make a number of really good points here, really good ones so if it’s cool I’ll go through them one by one.
It’s not just that I don’t “immediately see the solution” (though I admit I don’t), but lets run with that for a bit
There is no documentation, there is no list of tags I can use and their features (e.g. https://codex.wordpress.org/Template_Tags) which starts to make a lot of template development guesswork. Are we honestly at the stage of saying that any theme designer or developer out there now needs to be a PHP guru and also know BBpress inside and out to be able to produce a non-liner theme?If we are, maybe, just maybe that why we’ve found it so hard to get people to use BBpress; and maybe that’s why almost all of the themes out there look the exactly same.
Heck, even when I did manage to code a solution, I found that so much of the template is NOT in the actual editable template but in the damned /bb-includes/template-fucntions.php file that I was close to giving up. (this btw is another example of how NOT theme developer friendly BBpress is – there is NO documentation on how to overwrite these functions in a theme, and I’m somewhat confident that it’ll need a plugin – which also can’t be distributed in a theme).
I totally understand and am impressed with BB1.0alpha’s understanding of categories and forums in a parent/child hierarchy. The backend totally seems to grasp them – and in fact I’ve used the ‘forum is categories’ plug-in with 0.9 and it worked really well (congratulations and thanks whoever developed it).
But you’ve hit on the crux of the problem with “the data is just not presented outside of loop form because no-one has needed/asked for it yet”.
This is the ‘mindset’ I was talking about originally. You’re coding and what you’ve given this community is amazing and without reproach, so hopefully you won’t mind me using you as en example.
What we’re doing is effectively plastering over the crack. We’re fixing the… visible bit of the problem (does that make sense in English, it’s a bit like “tip of the iceberg” thing which makes no sense in french). Let me hark back to your impressive Unread Posts plug-in (which is wonderful). Rather than actually say ok this FORUM or TOPIC that we’re iterating though has unread posts, you coded a plug-in that ONLY worked it out when building the CSS of the actual forum name. It’s like, shooting the small fish downstream and then having to constantly go back upstream when someone points out that the bigger fishes are still there.
People want Parent/Child? Sure we’ll make the change in the DB and admin.
People want Categories? Sure we’ll give it to them in the DB and admin.
People want to make changes to the template? Sure we’ll only work out if its’ a parent/child in the CSS because no-one has specifically asked us via a letter from the queen to give it to them in the $GLOBAL[‘forum’] variable 2 lines above. I mean, we COULD work it out before hand, but why would we do that, because then people could do what they wanted with the theme and CSS – heck they wouldn’t be stuck to using tables in a linear fashion and… oh, no, wait…
It’s… fire fighting, it’s fixing the visible bit of the problem without actually tackling WHY people might have spotted the issue. It’s not a complaint, truly it’s not, the coding that’s been done is wonderful and I’m always impressed by it; but the mindset the thought process behind these features, isn’t wide enough.
You yourself can see how scarce this and bbshowcase forums are, it’s hardly a bustling thriving community. If we’re honestly waiting for someone to specifically come and ask for processing to be done at the earliest stage possible and not just at the CSS level then we may be waiting a long while.
I appreciate that it’s “Very easy to write a plugin to present the forum data any way you’d like” for someone of your obvious expertise, but not everyone in the community could do that. And while I think I could make a decent stab at it, not everyone here could, and certainly not everyone who could design/develop a theme could. Not to mention that as a THEME we’d need to specify plugins that need to be installed at the same time. Surely the good developers here at BBpress can see that’s not how a THEME works in wordpress.
What we’re effectively doing is adding a double step. We’re saying that to be a theme developer, you need to be able to code PHP plugins and be able to read, sift, assume and work out all the relevant tags/functions/classes/object without any documentation. That’s a massive massive assumption. Which is what my original mindset point was – we’ve effectively built a piece of software that’s really good for us the “open source loving / developing / community” but not good for the average user/owner.
BBpress has so much potential, and whether people in the community think that my particular examples are valid or not (we are all entitled to our opinion), surely we can all agree on certain points:
Making BBpress website structure and look fit into a more wordpress.org format will help people stick around:
Increasing the documentation will make things a lot easier.
Not presuming that template developers are PHP wizards.
Making the structure of the core files match WordPress more.
I, like all of you, want BBpress to be better. But right now we’re going down one path, and the more we go down it, the harder it will be to allow people to take their BBpress forum in it’s own direction.
Actually, the way categories are done in bbPress is in part done for backward plugin compatibility with 0.9 (which will likely be around quite awhile, at least a year, due to it’s performance over 1.0)
And the way it works is just fine too – just because you don’t immediately see the solution you want to breakdown the categories before or after the loop, doesn’t mean it’s not there. bbPress 1.0 truly does understand that a forum is a parent of another and if it’s a category holder for it – the data is just not presented outside of loop form because no-one has needed/asked for it yet. Very easy to write a plugin to present the forum data any way you’d like, and using a single carefully crafted mysql query, you can literally walk the reverse chain of post->topic->forum->category.
If you want forums broken down into categories with say three categories and three tables, either write a plugin or do it in the template to build a new array of $forums[1], $forums[2] etc. But don’t change the original way bbPress works to return $forums as all the forums or it will break existing plugins.
These kinds of feature growing pains were also present in WordPress, I can assure you – I’ve been using WP since 1.5 and I really long for the good old days of 2.0-2.1. The problem is that big leaps tend to break big things, or make them overly complex. WordPress 2.7 is a perfect example of things going very, very wrong with care towards backward compatibility and massive feature bloat, even worse than the 2.3 cookies and tags changes.
bbPress 1.0 is getting more things right from the start than WordPress did – cookies, tags, object cache, are all the more advanced methods right off and will save some headaches for plugin developers down the road (not so much for us 0.9 plugin developers).
Everyone has a different view of what’s missing in bbPress – from my standpoint the two biggest problems are 1. search sucks (so does WordPress’s after half a decade still) and 2. the ability to move posts between topics really needs to be done in the core asap so plugins know how to deal with moving targets.
ps. it’s “her” plugins not “his”
pps. you should be impressed how easy it was to make the topic/forum row affected instead of the title in Unread Posts – I can’t think of any other software that would be so easy. Hidden Forums is another example of the power of bbPress’s filter design.
Well, now I’ve gone and done it. I installed bbpress 0.9 first then installed WordPress mu 2.6.3. I then tried to turn on integration, and now my bbpress installation is completely broken. I cannot login as I get the error:
bbPress database error: [Table 'web_forums.wp_users' doesn't exist]
SELECT ID FROM wp_users WHERE user_login = 'admin'
bbPress database error: [Table 'web_forums.wp_users' doesn't exist]
SELECT * FROM wp_users WHERE user_login = 'admin'My databases for WP and BBP are separated. Is there a way to reverse the integration? I cannot drop the database as there are existing users and posts.
I only realised this would be a problem after the fact, when I came here searching for a solution. If anyone is able to help me I’d greatly appreciate it. I’ve searched the forum posts extensively and looked through the bbpress configuration file to no avail. I hope someone can assist as I am at a loss on how to fix this.
Hi guys – I’m looking for a way to pull in ~5 related threads in posts, in a similar way you can install a plugin to show related posts.
So if I were to write a post about Britney, it would show up to 5 threads in bbPress that have either been tagged with Britney or based on the content in the thread.
Any idea if such a plugin exists, or if there already is a way to do this?
Topic: User Roles Issue
I’m working a new version of my site, and I’m working in BBpress. I tried the latest stable version, but since I was already using WordPress 2.6.3, things didn’t quite work right. So I switched up to BBpress 1.0 Alpha 2, and things mostly work right.
However, I’m still facing a couple problems. Most importantly, the User Roles map doesn’t actually map users to the appropriate setting. It doesn’t map them at all, in fact. My admin blog users are still listed as just regular members on the boards. Does anyone know why that may be? I also can’t appear to edit the users to add the settings manually. The Software points me to “/profile/user/edit”, which doesn’t actually exist, apparently.
I realize that this is an Alpha version, which is fine, since the site isn’t live yet anyway. But I’d really like to figure out why users aren’t being correctly mapped. I entered all the settings correctly to my knowledge. Except the “WordPress “secure auth” cookie salt ” setting, which I didn’t appear to have. So I left that blank.
Any help would be appreciated, so I can start working on theme work for my site. Thanks!
Another WP integration/bbSync question: I’ve read everything written here and now have a working test blog/forum setup (2.5.1 & .902) waiting to be ported to the main site.
Bar one issue: using bbSync, I can get WP comments showing in the forum without difficulty, but replies in the forum are not porting back into the WP comments.
Am I overlooking a way of getting the forum posts to port back to the WP pages?
If this is not easily possible, might there be an alternative, like for example using Simplepie to parse the feed from the thread and re-include it back into the WP page, or even an include or Ajax load; perhaps not perfect…
I don’t need user sharing as there are no WP users; trying for an anonymous friendly integrated forum/comments system. It’s just getting those replies back onto the WP side…
You know, that WordPress is really an elaborate Forum clone, right?
Years ago, forums were threaded email responses back and forth that were documented hierarchically. Then, the idea of threads was cast away because it was thought to be too complicated to understand. Why would someone branch off to speak to a reply instead of replying to the original post/poster?
To me, it’s the nature of group discussion, and it is the difference between the intent of WordPress and bbPress, at least it was before WordPress 2.7 brought back threaded comments.
A forum is intended for multiple, typically registered commited users, and invokes group discussion that is often times allowed to skate off-topic as people reply to other people. Sometimes reply counts can escalate into the hundreds or thousands depending on the size of the forum.
A blog is intended to allow a few authors to create articles and attempts to cater to non-committed users that drop by, can leave a comment, and never look back if they don’t want to.
Since the emphasis of a blog is the initial post, comment replies typically tend to stay on topic.
Since the emphasis of a forum is to spark conversation, replies typically tend to drift off topic.
The funny thing is that both of these display methods use almost the exact same data storage and retrieval methods. Data is categorized and tagged as necessary, with a time-stamp, an excerpt, and other pertinent information.
The one major way that blogs differ from forums, is that forums restrict posts to one forum or category while blogs allow for one post to be in several. This ability inherently changes the emphasis away from categorization and towards the content of the post itself and how it relates to other possible posts.
I moved away from phpBB and towards WordPress for this specific attribute alone. Since posts can often times benefit from being in multiple categories, a blog style system makes a great deal of sense.
I think that the similarities between WordPress and bbPress exist only because they share a similar intent with data storage and categorization, and if you’ve ever read two books by the same author you’ll understand how both of them will read very similarly.
Overall I am happy that the authors of WordPress have made bbPress, as it shows a recognition of the distinct differences between the two of them.
I think as time passes, you will start to see more of how these two tools come from the same family but are different members all together. Think of them as fraternal twins.
Topic: Integrate wp2.7 and bbp1.0a2
Okay, I think I’ve experienced similar problems as most of you, and I just got mine working logging in and out from every angle with access to the admin panel on both. It still seems to hiccup a little when changing roles, so I am still trying to track that down, but I wanted to share where I am so far.
I am using the WordPress 2.7 beta 3 nightly build, and the bbPress 1.0 alpha 2. I am using various plug-ins and what-not and have akismet active on both.
My host is 1and1.com.
There are a few things that are of the utmost importance:
- I recommend BEING LOGGED INTO WORDPRESS AS ‘admin’ with user_id of ‘1’ when you install bbPress. Any other Administrator account didn’t want to redirect to the admin panel properly. I assume the cookies will immediately conflict as they are shifted around, causing weird issues from the start.
- BOTH -config.php files need to have the AUTH, SECURE, and LOGGED_IN KEYS defined correctly.
- I personally also defined the SECRET_KEY in WordPress, although I’m not sure this is necessary yet.
- bbPress needs to have the salts entered correctly during installation so that they match WordPress. Fortunately the link to the hidden admin panel is provided during the install so you can get them pretty conveniently. I personally did not have a secure_salt so I left it empty.
- MUST add
$bb->WP_BB = true;
if (file_exists('../wp-blog-header.php'))
require_once('../wp-blog-header.php');
else
if (file_exists('../../wp-blog-header.php'))
require_once('../../wp-blog-header.php');or your personal equivalent to bb-config.php
- I personally had to add
define('COOKIE_DOMAIN', '');
define('COOKIEPATH', '');to my wp-config.php to make it go.
- Login to bbPress as ‘admin’ if you are already not, navigate to settings/wordpress integration, and adjust the role map accordingly.
- Visit bb-admin/rewrite-rules.php page and copy the code
- Put the following in a file named “.htaccess” file and place that file in the bbpress root directory:
Options -MultiViews
YOUR PREVIOUSLY COPIED CODEThis is to make sure your URL’s are rewriting correctly.
- Logout.
- Clear all website cookies and attempt logging in either/or/both WordPress and bbPress. Access admin panels of both. Basically check for functionality.
That’s how I got mine working. Like I said, I’m still having issues assigning user roles for some reason, so I’ll try and figure that out next.
