[kevinjohngallagher]

Hi Noel,

Thanks very much for commenting. Lack of communication is one of the biggies that drives us nuts on this board.

It’s great that you and Mike are working on the theme; and we all appreciate that not all bugs are as simple as they look. I think we can all appreciate that rolling things out to get them going is fine too, especially as users in a real world environment will pick up more bugs that peer testing – but I also think it’s ok for us to suggest that the HOMEPAGE being broken for 2-3 days is probably a bit… uncool.

With no communication at all, we’re never sure if these random bugs are due to theme updates or software updates. We’re not sure whether pages are using wordpress or bbPress or hacks of bbPress pages to create specific views (like plugins used to); and that means that most of the time we just don’t report bugs.

As always, thanks for your time.

[Damien]

The theme is based on a few functions lifted from classipress which provide a profile management page via wp theme pages rather then some god awful admin edit page.

As for bbress, I just re-coded all profile links to point at the wp profile, like

<a href="/people/<?php post_author(); ?>"><?php post_author_avatar(); ?></a>

I redirect registrations back to wp and I use the same DB for the forums and wordpress, so I just run some sql here and there pulling what I need displayed in wordpress from the forum and vice versa.

I need to put the bb profile info such as last posts, subscribed etc etc into my wordpress author pages, I think it should be possible – everything else has worked eventually.

[kevinjohngallagher]

<title>

<?php

if( function_exists(‘bb_title’))

{

bb_title();

} else {

wp_title(‘«’, true, ‘right’);

}

?>

<?php bloginfo(‘name’); ?>

</title>

[Paulo Faustino]

Can anyone help me exclude the wp_title if there’s a function calling bb_title?

[Kevin Muldoon]

Kevin John – I wasn’t aware that you could use an if statement like that on wordpress. Good to know for future.

[Coronita-C2]

Hi!

I want to see the bbPM panel in wordpress, if I get a new message.

How I do?

[Paulo Faustino]

I tested, but it’s not working friend: http://www.escoladinheiro.com/forums/

I really need to remove that blog title on the forums so i can lauch it

[Paulo Faustino]

Kevin, can you adjust that code for mine?

i’m using this one:

<title>

<?php wp_title(‘«’, true, ‘right’); ?> <?php bloginfo(‘name’); ?>

<?php if( function_exists(‘bb_title’)) { bb_title(); } ?>

</title>

[kevinjohngallagher]

Akismet is not great on forums, it catches alot of legitamite posts and marks them as spam. That said, it also catches a good percentage of the spam too.

On one of my forums, 100+ spammer registrations a day is about the norm. One of WordPress and bbPress’s plus sides is it’s easy to register, so there’s alot of automated bots out there.

Not having Akismet activated with the amount of registrations / traffic you’re recieving is probably a bad idea.

Phpbb has a feature where you have to approve a member’s registration before they become members

Thats not built into the core, infact very few moderation abilities are; but I’m sure there’s plugins to enact such functionality. Zaerl had something like that I belive.

I am using WordPress MU, the Buddypress Magazine theme

bbpress is not built to, and does not play well with WPMU.

If you’re using WPMU, I strongly strongly advice BuddyPress instead of bbPress.

They are somewhat integrated

We probably need somewhat more information

[kevinjohngallagher]

As long as you’re ok with me writing this without testing:

<title>

<?php bloginfo('name'); ?>

<?php

if( function_exists('bb_title'))

{

bb_title();

} else {

wp_title();

}

?>

</title>

[jbrzr3]

Wow, why is this happening? Do any of you have the same problem? Phpbb has a feature where you have to approve a member’s registration before they become members. Does Bbpress have something similar?

Also, my akismet is not activated. I am using WordPress MU, the Buddypress Magazine theme. They are somewhat integrated. However, when a user signs up via the bbpress forums and not on the main page of the website which is WPMU, that user will not show up in dashboard of the WPMU, only the bbpress listing of users.

If I activate Akismet, will I kill my site?

-j

[Paulo Faustino]

Hi Kevin, i added your recomendation but there’s one small problem. Now, the bbpress is calling both titles: from the blog and from the forums as you can see here: http://www.escoladinheiro.com/forums/

How can i say that i want it to exclude the blog one?

[kevinjohngallagher]

So here’s my thing:

– Is anyone working on the theme?

– If so, who?

– Can we get some form of notification when there’s been a theme update/bug-fix?

– How often is this site getting updates from the SVN?

– What software is running the static pages? (wordPress or hacked bbPress)

I ask this because I’m never sure if something is a bug from the nightly build, a theme bug, or a bug from (what appears to be) the hacked pages from bbPress.

If we take the HomePage as an example, and seriously “the homepage is broken” should be setting alarm bells off somewhere in Automattic; i’m not sure if this is down to someone trying to fix the theme, or a nightly build error, or compatability, or just not testing or what?

With respect, the theme roll out was half-assed and for the most part untested. I’m not fussed about the font-size issue; but once again the management issue behind it. Who thought it would be a good idea to take an untested 9 month old design/theme and put it onto live enviroment with ever changing software base (nightly builds) and then not test it??

*sigh* and I was trying so hard not to complain

[kevinjohngallagher]

Hi Paulo,

This is one of the main issues with bbPress and WordPress. Here is a quick and dirty fix which should solve your specific issue:

<?php if( function_exists('bb_title')) { bb_title(); } ?>

Put this in your WordPress header theme next to the closing title tag like this:

<title>

// WordPress code

<?php bloginfo('name'); ?>

<?php wp_title(); ?

// but this line after the existing WordPress code

<?php if( function_exists('bb_title')) { bb_title(); } ?>

</title>

Realistically though, in the long term, duplicating the themes in bbpress and WordPress is the best way forward.

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Additionally,

On your WordPress pages there’s a popup delivered from “MaxBlogPress”, that is running an annoying little script that messes with browsers. It keeps moving further down the page, so that when you hit the bottom of the page it keeps making it longer and longer and longer etc. Apart from being annoying, it made it look like your site had been hacked. I hope thats not the case Bro, but if it is, you can go looking for it in your code.

It doesn’t appear on the bbPress pages, only WordPress pages.

[Paulo Faustino]

Hi Kevin, the problem is my header and footer are running a lot of custom codes for grabbing my subscribers and twitter counters for example. This information is grabbed from WordPress plugins that connect on Feedburner and Twitter API’s. I have also the problem that the blog uses a 960 grid system for the layout. I’m really unsure how to move the header and footer to my bbpress folder without crashing everything

[Kevin Muldoon]

Paulo – I really think the best thing for you to do is to copy the header and footer design from your main blog to your bbpress design.

This will stop problems like this. bbPress integrates with WordPress well from a member point of view, however the design aspect of it is still separate.

It honestly shouldn’t take you longer than 30 minutes to copy the design over. Give me a buzz if you are unsure.

[Paulo Faustino]

Exactly chris There isn’t any title for those pages at this moment

[chrishajer]

You want to make sure that the topic title (the post title of a forum entry) appears on the page (it is now), but also in the <title> tag of the page, for SEO?

So this page:

http://www.escoladinheiro.com/forums/forum/wordpress

Should have some variation of this title:

Forums de Webmarketing e Afiliados » WordPress – Programação

?

[Paulo Faustino]

Hi chris, thanks for the reply. I only that the titles appear just like on my normal WordPress entries. On the forum, if i click on a post or topic, there isn’t any title for that I’m not trying to automate content. I only want that my forum has it’s own pages/posts titles, not only to appear on the top browser, but also to help them rank in search engines.

I think this problem appears because i’m defining the title of this bbpress posts/pages in my wordpress header, but not the friendly way

[chrishajer]

What do you expect to happen? Do you want WordPress posts/pages to appear as forum topics automatically, or are you trying to display a list of WordPress posts/pages?

[Paulo Faustino]

Hello People,

I’ve made a deep integration of Bbpress into my WordPress blog as you can see at http://www.escoladinheiro.com/forums but i’m getting a very big problem. I can’t make page/post title to appear as my bbpress topic/posts titles. I’ve searched for about 8h on google and i didn’t found any solution for this. There’s anyone that can help me define this titles?

I’m using the header and footer of my main WordPress blog. There’s any way i can define that if the page/post is from bbpress, it’ll call the page title from bbpress? With this mess, i can’t even make a sitemap for the forum

If anyone can share some sort of code to implement on my wordpress for fixing this, i really appreciate. If needed, i can pay for the work.

Thanks in advance.

Paulo

[KentonMr]

@kevinjohngallagher

Hey ho!

Perhaps it is just that the forums I participate in (well most of them) and especially the subject specific ones seem to have very disciplined users.

I have seen and heard of the rabble that frequent some other forums probably with many 1000’s of visits per day.

The specific site I’m developing (redeveloping) currently has 100-200 per day and has been pretty constant for years – it is a fairly close and insular community that is not there to take over the web

It has outgrown the current coding which has proved difficult to maintain, has evolved through several programmers and is unmanageable. Taking PmWiki and bbPress “off the shelf” has enabled the regeneration of the site in the manner intended with, so far, only minor but resolvable hiccups.

Both products meet the needs of being lightweight and easy to use with minimal implementation effort. Even if the documentation of bbPress leaves much to be desired – unless it is hidden away somewhere I’m yet to find.

The problem I have with wordpress is much like the problem I have with Microsoft products- They start out simple and easy to use with minimal functionality then bloat into leviathans that are full of functionality that is neither required or in line with the way users are used to doing things.

[kevinjohngallagher]

@KentonMr

I’ve no issue with us disagreeing on things, heck if we all agreed on everything it’d be a boring life; but you’re making a few leaps here mate.

To state that WordPress is difficult to customise is, frankly, absolutely mental. WordPress’ strength was and is just how amazingly easy it is to customise. Thats not to say it’s the best tool for every job, but “[WordPress] is difficult to customise”?? lunacy.

To also suggest that WordPress has un-managed comments from visitors show a total lack of knowledge of it. WordPress handles comments and visitors amazingly well. Pagination, threading, custom types, moderation, different theming, searching, functions oh my the list goes on and on. Again, it’s not the best tool for every job, but “un-managed comments from visitors” is so wrong a statement its unreal.

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All of that aside, as I said above, creating a post to bbPress button or plugin for WordPress would be easy. In the same way you’ve managed to get yours working.

But I commented on between what yourself and Lethality wanted to do, is that you’d only mentioned about the initial stages, and not how the users would react or use the site. If you want to define the topic of conversation and have users comment on it – guess what, thats a 1 to 1 conversation. If you want to define a topic and have users comment on it but allow them to comment on each other’s commnet, thats a 1 to many conversation (threading). bbPress and forums on the whole don’t work that way, not because someone hasn’t thought it up before, but because the user doesn’t think that way.

Paul Hawke made a good example about a site in the MMORPG community. I replied with a similar one, showing how this way of thinking would work, as long as it was followed through for the user. I also quantified this:

slightly off topic (big shock) but this sort of thing depends on the usergroup immensely. people who play mmorpgs as an example are used to forums and doing things in front of others; where as say a Classical Music Magazine website/blog’s users might not be really up for entering a forum flame war

Over the years we’ve had loads of requests for weird and wonderful things in bbPress. Some cool, some not, some interesting, some not. How many cool and interesting forums (bbPress or not) that work differently to the norm do you see out there? There is a reason for that. It’s not because I’ve got a different view, or becasue I’m being difficult, it’s becasue Users go with what they know. If you plan to do anything in a slightly different way, you have to also plan for any and all ways random users will attempt to either do things the way they know or a new way.

A very wise man at Microsoft once said:

Users on websites are like the frogs at the end of Jurassic Park.

No matter how much you think something through, how much technology you put in place, how much you hope they’ll do things they way you want them to or how difficult you make something for them… as soon as you change something that they want to do, they’ll start fucking it up and making very obvious and loud dinosaurs.

I’m seriously all for you folks doing something new and wonderful; and heck if you pull it off my hat will be the first one off. Infact, i offered step by step adive on exactly how to do what Lethality needed, I just suggested that he think about it from a different perspective too. The internet is littered with websites who tried to change how users interacted with it, very very few succeed, and those that do are very very dependant on their userbase’s base HCI mechanics.

[KentonMr]

@Lethality

Sorry I’m late to this topic but what you are asking sounds very similar to what I was asking here

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/feeding-topics-from-external-source

It seems as if I differ with @kevinjohngallagher’s interpretation of what users and communities want from their forum/blog/wiki/crm solution

However what you seem to be looking for is very similar to what we have decided on PmWiki+bbPress

We voted firmly against wordpress as a product mainly because

1. It has become dreadfully bloated

2. It is difficult to customise (partly as a result of 1)

3. It is a blog (a time driven format) conversation centered around one individual and un-managed comments from visitors. Typically “this is my opinion” followed by “I agree” comments.

I would also steer fairly clear of IP.Board and IP.Blog it is very much under development and considering it is a commercial product is very expensive for what it does.

I feel that someone with a basic knowledge of worpress should be able to add a similar button form to wp code to allow a “Forum This” from wordpress.

[KentonMr]

@kevinjohngallagher

I’ll ignore all the personal rhetoric and slight aimed in my direction and try to respond to the points raised.

I am new to bbPress (you may have noticed that this is my first topic/post on the forum) so know nothing bbPress, its history, development and evidently tight allegiance to wordpress.

bbPress was selected because “out of the box” it works, and from what I have seen of the plug-ins they also work well.

I think my original topic title has been mis-understood by you, and maybe others as well.

“Feeding topics from external source”

In the external source users will not have the option to set a topic title it will be predetermined by the PmWiki page that is being edited.

In fact it is the reverse of the “Blog this” that has been suggested elsewhere though restricted to the same site’s forum rather than the user’s own personal blog.

Any member has full access to the forums and so is able to start a new topic with a slightly varied topic title. That is not a major issue as the moderators will attend to them. However when posting externally a new topic there is the chance that any editor of the Wiki could initiate the “Forum this” button to start a discussion of that page in the related forum. Therefore without the check the potential of having 100’s of topics created with the same title is great.

In the end it has been very easy to code – It works well and I will even look at the possibility of including it to generate a warning to users in the forum so that we can cut back on duplicate topics in general.

Every forum/blog/wiki open to members has to have a set of accepted policies to govern usability. The site is very specialised with nearly 2000 wiki page-topic combinations. The topics are specifically for a parallel discussion about each wiki page. Elsewhere just about any reasonable discussion is possible.