I like it. Very clean theme.
Looks like you have WordPress installed as well. Will WordPress mail out information?
If you would like to work around the problem, you can display the password to the user rather than email it, with a plugin:
Here is what (the highly respected) Mark Jaquith has to say about the very similar problem over on the WordPress side:
Why WordPress Themes are Derivative of WordPress
And I guess the way I stated this whole thing was wrong to begin with, what I meant instead was that if you sell premium themes to remember they also have to be GPL – IF you start with another theme that is GPL.
You can’t make a premium theme that uses GPL code from another theme or bbPress/WordPress itself and sell it without making it GPL.
(now I think I finally said it correctly)
I guess the sad conclusion to all this is how bbPress standalone now has some really nice premium themes but is ending standalone development.
Looks good! Also loads quite fast due to not using deep integration.
Check it out: http://devgrow.com/discuss
It took about a week to get everything the way I wanted. At first I wanted to do a deep integration but it was too much of a pain, so I just ended up writing some custom code to cache most of my sidebar, header and footer elements from my blog and display the cached content in bbPress.
Plugins I’m using:
- Allow Images
- Auto Add to Favorites
- BBcode Lite
- Google Sitemap Generator
- Post Count Plus
- Post Count Plus for WordPress
- Subscribe to Topic
- Topic Icons
- Custom Plugin for Recent/Popular Topics
And some more custom code throughout the templates. Would love to answer questions or hear feedback!
Okay, first thing’s first… if this is the forum on the bbPress site itself, it really needs to be a bit more of a better example. As it is, when I get to the forum I’m first faced with a giant tagcloud, then I have to scroll all the way down past a huge list of posts to get to the actual individual forums such as this one. Of course, I could hit the button to start a new topic at the top of the top of the page but not only is that counterintuitive, it’s a really bad idea in general that will get people just Pcoming in and posting without looking at other posts first. I’d hoped the layout would have been changed by now at least.
Second problem, and this is one I’ve had on the wordpress forums as well but never bothered to ask about it. At the bottom of the post box it lists allowed tags (shortly after mentioning “Enter a few words (called tags)” with a link to the tagcloud rather than a definition of tags), but what gets me is “Put code in between backticks.” I’ve been running forums since before ISPs could offer residential Internet connections and yet I have absolutely no clue what that means. Unless this software is only meant for WordPress users (which I’m one of, btw), it would be best to get a bit more accessible to ordinary people in terms of language/jargon.
My other large beef is that the forums read like blog comments rather than forum discussions. Threading would be my number one request if I intended to use it. I guess my number two request would be integrating said threaded comments into the comments section of blog entries for those using it with a WP blog, though that’s a lot more complicated. I’d want to start off with the other way around by having the blog able to automatically display posts from certain sections such as Announcements and such. I’m not sure if that functionality exists yet, so apologies if it does. If not, I suppose a workaround could be reading the rss feed from that section into the blog section, but aggregating your own feeds is a fairly silly notion.
That’s it for initial feedback right now. I may come take another look when the software has matured a bit… by that I mean the core, it shouldn’t have to depend on plugins and themes to have very basic funcionality on its own.
Did you integrate with WordPress and use an existing WordPress user as your keymaster in bbPress?
Looks like you have WordPress installed as well. Will WordPress mail out information?
If you would like to work around the problem, you can display the password to the user rather than email it, with a plugin:
https://bbpress.org/plugins/topic/instant-password/
I’m rapidly running out of hope that such a discussion is even possible in this community.
That was sort of my point in the thread you just pulled Matt’s quote from, but I suppose I never came to articulate it like you just did.
The core problem is, this community is haunted by a great divide, the ones who are stuck with bbpress 0.9/1.x for better or for worse, and the ones who just really want to move on. This divide will not disappear any time soon, and it will certainly let its presence be known in every direction-related topic until bbPress standalone is firmly declared dead or forked. As long as its in limbo, so is the community.
This is why I suggested WordPress Foundation / Core Developers / Automattic could just as well pack up and leave from here and start anew elsewhere, easy as pie.
Sorry, I know this wasn’t what you asked for in the start of your topic, but I gotta vent some where.
thomas.joy I deleted your post and the response from Zaerl. Please refrain from SHOUTING and profanity.
Thanks,
Chris Hajer
chrishajer [at] gmail [dot] COM
Nope, many sites will continue to use and advance bbPress standalone. Matt might not invest dev resources in that, but others will.
0.9 is a defacto fork today, and there has been talk of a more official fork. Even Matt has said…
“Since the stated roadmap for whatever is going to be called “bbPress” and live at bbpress.org is to build on the success of WordPress if you disagree with that direction it’s probably best to fork at that time.”
So I think Matt acknowledges the potential continued existence of standalone, but believes that independent roadmaps is the right approach. I was hoping to take a step back and discuss the relative merits of that versus an approach where plugin and standalone were more coupled.
I’m rapidly running out of hope that such a discussion is even possible in this community.
It’s hand coded, probably into the template system.
It’s parsing the readme.txt file.
Far too custom that you’d ever find a plugin for it.
It’s probably using in part some of the code from Mark Jaquith who designed the readme.txt format for Matt/Automattic and implemented by mdawaffe (Michael)
http://wordpress-plugin-readme-parser.googlecode.com/
@_ck_
Thanks a lot 
I am gonna ditch v1.0+ and start using 0.9 from now on. Will downgrade my other installations too.
Sorry I thought you were asking about any potential advantages/disadvantages of a wordpress plugin vs standalone forums.
Actually the three messages before me all mentioned performance too?
But am I missing something or isn’t bbPress standalone dead with 1.1 ?
Your questions is well stated and laid out, but isn’t the point moot?
Or is this just hypothetical?
[this is probably directed more at JJJ and Pete than anyone else]
With BuddyPress and now bbPress as plugin, does WordPress have an architectural direction for plugins that extend other plugins.
Or perhaps the right way to think about this is plugin dependencies. I see this discussion in WP trac where the consensus seems to be that plugin dependencies should be handled by sub-plugin developers with the neat approach Mark Jaquith suggests there.
This is beautiful in its simplicity, but a little unfriendly to the ordinary user installing a bbPress plugin without bbPress-as-plugin installed and activated.
Is Mark’s approach the plan for bbPress as plugin, or has the thinking evolved since this discussion 6 months ago?
_ck_: Well, multiple BLOGS, I am not sure if they can get multiple forums going on the first version, we’ll see. But I am sure it’s a goal of Matt’s so they can use it on WordPress.com
I’m not sure how they couldn’t get it going, but I sure do think it’ll be on the list!
Even if it doesn’t make the first version, it’s going to be put in there not long after. At the end of the day, that’ll be a major ”selling” point when it comes to people using bbPress (IMHO!)
The plugin is Add bbPress Default Role. It’s three lines of code so you may be better just writing it into your functions.php file.
<cite>ashfame</cite>
I guess all your plugins are tagged https://bbpress.org/plugins/tags/_ck_
right?
And I believe even your updated plugins support 0.9 ?
Unfortunately the plugin section is still broken and does not import tags so the _ck_ tag is no longer complete there (update: someone appears to have fixed it in the past 24 hours)
For now this is the only way to find them all:
http://bbshowcase.org/forums/topic/_ck_-plugin-catalog-index
Virtually 100% my plugins will support 0.9 (except ones specifically made to “fix” 1.x)
<cite>Mark McWilliams</cite>
Not with WordPres 3.0 anyway, 1 install, multiple sites!
Well, multiple BLOGS, I am not sure if they can get multiple forums going on the first version, we’ll see. But I am sure it’s a goal of Matt’s so they can use it on WordPress.com
WordPress today cannot run a live site without caching.
You’ll get kicked off any shared hosting in a heartbeat.
This is a HUGE regression because there are times when a page cannot be cached. I was looking at mashable the other day – it uses over ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY queries per page. It would be slaughtered without a super dooper amount of caching.
But bbPress 0.9 is fully capable of taking loads without any caching at all. I know of a few large sites that use it without any caching, it just doesn’t need it if properly configured until you get to slashdot level loads.
So in what fantasy world does anyone believe that adding the load of bbPress as a plugin to WordPress’s existing burden will ever make it faster than 0.9 ?
WP 3.0 already requires the increase of PHP’s default memory allocation per instance (over 32M in some cases). bbPress 0.9 runs in less than 1M (with a whole bunch of plugins at that).
If being more attractive to the WP masses was important, what should have been done is a project to make standalone bbPress’s integration with WP easier. Perhaps mimic WP’s template actions, etc. so WP templates could be used with less modification.
But like backPress, I’m afraid it’s probably too late.
I’m not saying this to be mean Matt, but the reality is Automattic is becoming a one-hit-wonder with everything being folded back into WordPress.
(and if a bbPress as plugin with WordPress backend goes down for any reason, failed upgrade, security hit, etc. now so will your forum)
_ck_: As far as I could guess, you’d have to install multiple copies of WP.
Not with WordPres 3.0 anyway, 1 install, multiple sites!
@Ryan: I had JS enabled but.., aha, I never noticed the double-click edit upon mouse hover before. Neat
Now, the thing I encountered in both the P2 theme and Justin’s forum plugin is: Neither (seems to be able to-) take advantage of WordPress’ own in-built rich text editor.
I probably did not make this clear enough in my first post. My main point sort of ended up in the second to last paragraph:
What I’d love to see is rich front-end editing based on the native WP editor
What I’m inquiring about is:
How to achieve front-end editing with WordPress’ native rich editor?
The main question is of course ‘how will bbPress go about doing this?’, but clearly this method is still unbeknown to many plugin authors who could greatly benefit from it.
(Disclaimer: My project relies on the bp-wiki plugin, and I am indeed curious as to the possibility of a a more conventional approach to rich front end edits in the future.)
One ‘almost’ example I found is this one:
https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/tinymce-excerpt/
It grabs the native editor and displays it somewhere new. However I suspect it can only do so because it’s still within the confines of the admin backend. Posting and editing content from front-end can clearly be achieved, but apparently with severe limitations. It’s getting functions that are normally limited to the backend (tinymce editor, file upload, etc) to the front-end that is awkward.
Speaking of which, feasibility image/file uploads would make for an excellent follow-up question, but maybe you’d rather have me start a new thread for it?
Justin Tadlock’s plugin does allow front-end editing. It just forces you to use the WordPress admin panel if you don’t have JS running. Having said that, I’d much rather see that improved in the future so that front-end editing was possible without JS on. I assume Justin is working on that though.
The alternative is to block bbPress registration and redirect to WordPress’ registration page.
“I am supremely interested in the performance aspects and confident we can make the plugin scale better than bbPress does today or did in the 0.7-0.9 line.”
I would be really amazed if this came to pass! WordPress leaves quite a footprint, so adding plugins to the mix would seem to increase that even more?
That said, I’m definitely excited to see how you increase performance and scalability!
Non-plugin bbPress development is going to continue until we have a perfect importer so people will be able to bring their content out of the legacy codebase.
