[Ashish Kumar (Ashfame)]

You could have fix those in the database with ease.

Like for bbPress – http://blog.ashfame.com/2009/09/fix-lost-admin-access-bbpress/

Same goes for WordPress but one need to look at the particular string for it. I hope you got the point.

[jimjiber]

thanks for your help

unfortunately, i followed a few guides to try to reinstate a keymaster account by fiddling around in the database (ie – things I don’t understand) and I have now lost admin rights from my WordPress installation (that i spent all morning configuring)

so now it’s not a wasted afternoon – it’s a wasted DAY!

i will reinstall wordpress, setup the theme etc, customise it, try to get it back to where i was an hour or so ago, then rethink the whole forum conundrum

i am tired and sad

i will now drink wine and watch the football

thanks again

[kevinjohngallagher]

JimJiber,

I, we, all feel your pain – but you’re confusing two issues here; because you’re viewing bbPress as a WP plugin. It’s not, it’s a standalone forum, and there is a “bridge” that connects the logins/users to wordpress.

1) bbpress is very very simple to set up and use if you have basic technical knowledge (ability to edit a file and FTP).

2) bbPress is not simple to integrate into WordPress.

It is random, annoying, and requires you to know so much it’s unreal, and most of the information you’re meant to know is buried inside forum threads you’ll struggle to find. If you want to stick with it, shoot us over the steps you took, linking which of the guides on here you followed would be great if possible, and we’ll try and sort you out.

The forum appears to be a completely seperate entity to my WP site

It is, and will be.

Seems like no-one can make a decent forum for wordpress.

You’re kinda right. This is actually really good, but WordPress has a tendancy to change it’s securty protocols quite randomly and often. 2.1, 2.5 and 2.7 all had major changes and whenever that comes we’re all playing catch up. Sadly automattic took the decison to integrate bbPress into BackPress and then decided not to integrate WordPress into BackPress, so we’re left in the state of limbo you now see.

this has been a total waste of an afternoonand I needed to vent.

Thats ok, i cant think of one person that has come to bbpress and gotten integration working on their first day, let alone afternoon. Matt (head of automattic) annouced that Integration was the highest priority to get working back in December, but then decided we should work on anonymous posting instead, so we’re all a tad confused.

Before deciding on forum software or swapping to joomla, i’d spent the time doing a bit of research on them all. There are positives and negatives for many of these – but on the plus side you now know the 2nd biggest flaw of bbPress

Hardly intuitive is it?

No, but then it’s not trying to be

My suggestion is to get your forums working first, without trying integration. Then once you know it’s all working you can follow one of the countless integration guides here, and shout us when things go wrong. Sadly, it’s the best that can happen.

[jimjiber]

I have spent the whole afternoon trying to set up a simple forum for my website http://www.bathastronomers.co.uk. It really needs to be nothing special – it’s just a place for a small group of astronomers to chat and arrange observing sessions. People need to be able to register, post and receive email notifications of replies.

So, first I tried Simple:Press. Installation was pretty simple and it played nicely with WordPress but it is soooo slow – to the point of being unusable.

So then I found this site and was very excited by the slogan “Simple, fast, elegant”… boy, was I in for a shock!

I eventually got the thing installed and spent some time getting it integrated using the “bbPress Integration” plugin. After going through all the steps I got no error meassages until I tried to login. I tried my bbPress username and password but no dice. Then I thought “hey, maybe it is now integrated and I can use my WP usernam and password!”

Yeah, right. That would have been too easy.

I must say that while I totally respect the efforts of the guys making these plugins, the installation procedure and documentation is laughable – it is like some bizarre logic puzzle or riddle. I am not a n00b but I just cannot get it to work. The forum appears to be a completely seperate entity to my WP site and I cannot login. And it’s not just me – a quick google search reveals that there are plenty of people wrestling with the setup of this “simple” forum plugin.

Sorry for the long post but this has been a total waste of an afternoon and I needed to vent. Seems like no-one can make a decent forum for wordpress. Perhaps I will use Joomla for the site…

[Ashish Kumar (Ashfame)]

@Meraj

I can work with you! Email me – ashishsainiashfameatgmail<<dot>>com

{Edit – My bbPress design matching with WordPress >> NAP}

@pondering

Great buddy! Looking forward to it.

[kevinjohngallagher]

Welcome back mate.

I still can’t replicate sadly. Shout me if you find if adding my lines of code work or not. I’m off to pick up the kids but will be back on later.

[Ashish Kumar (Ashfame)]

@kevin

I would try redirecting everything to WordPress and then come back!

[kevinjohngallagher]

Marius-,

I say this as someone who comes across as angry or annoyed or something. You need to take a step back. It’s free software, it’s free support. We’re all trying to help Maybe say please and thank you. Read what I, and others, take a deep breathe and see that we’re telling you the software’s limitations so that you know them – not to put you off. There are loads of great things you can do with bbPress, but there are also things you can’t. Help us, help you – and when we do, please be polite and thanful.

I have said this before, downgrading is not an option.

No-one is suggesting you do

Why even have two versions for download, if you all want us to donwload 0.9?

I don’t care which if them you do download.

Like every bit of software, you get certain features and drawbacks with both options.

Pick one, and accept it’s limitations.

bbPress0.9: Older, way more plugins, lots of support questions already answered, bad admin area.

bbPress1.0: Newer, few plugins, few support questions, nice admin area.

You say backwards compitability never has been a goal. What I fear is that, lets say some time in the future I decide to upgrade to a new version of BBPress. With a completely new theme, and possibly reinstall it. Will I be able to keep the users and posts?

Yes, you will keep your users and posts.

Thats forward compatability, not backward.

Themes, plugins, custom code could stop working. If you don’t like it, don’t upgrade. Loads of people are still on WindowsXP cos it works.

And I have to say, polls, image support and text formatting is standard. Its what everyone has used on forums for ten years. So theres no reason they shouldnt be included as standard, from my point of view.

But bbPress does not have them, and never has had them, and never will have them as standard.

If you want all of those fancy features then you have to choose a different software solution. Thats not me scarying you away, its just being honest.

I know i’ve said this to you over and over again, but there is a difference between “basic” functionailty and “standard” functionality. Basic is what the software needs to actually work, Standard is a perception held by individuals based on what their needs are and the market is.

bbPress doesn’t even meet all of the “basic” requirements yet, so there is no way – no matter how much you cry about it – that any of the “standard” features YOU want are going to be included. Its not going to happen unless you develop it or pay for a developer. I’m in that boat too. We all are. There are things i want bbPress to have because they are standard, but it doesn’t have them and won’t have for a very long time if ever.

So theres no reason they shouldnt be included as standard, from my point of view.

Thats because, you are not listening bro.

1) We have no developer to build them.

2) Even if we had a developer, there are bugs and basic features to code first.

3) Those sorts of features are what plugins are for.

4) If thats not cool with you mate, you’re at the wrong project. Sorry.

Also, please stop banging the drum that BBpress is not ready for use if you have no skills etc. I think you are destroying your userbase by doing this. You are scaring people away, and its not true either.

If it’s not true, then why have you spent the last 2 months on here asking really really really basic web development (non-bbPress) related questions?

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/how-do-you-make-footer-background-transparent

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/need-help-placing-a-div-somewhere-for-custom-background

And then complain big time every time you have to edit a file to get things working, even though someone else is telling you what to do.

If someone can’t edit a file and FTP it then they can’t install bbPress. That requires some small amount of technical knowledge – i’m just being honest. I’m not trying to scare people away, but when people think bbPress is as easy as WordPress we get a huge amount of support questions along the lines of “zomg i r installed forum kk and it no work – i give you 2 hour window to look at my forumz and fix it kk now!”. Some people don’t even have the decency to say thanks (*cough*).

Look at: https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/modifying-header-to-display-image-issues#post-64963

Here is someone who has taken on board that he (currently) doesn’t have the required skills to do what he wants in bbPress, and is taking the positive steps to get it sorted. When he/she comes back for help, we’ll be here.

I have pretty much zero skills, and have managed to get a pretty decent looking forum up and running.

Can’t argue with the first part, can’t agree with the second.

=================================================================

Look, Marius-,

Not one person left on here is part of the bbPress project really. Matt, Sam, Michael, _ck_, etc. All don’t hang around here anymore. If you ask questions, those of us trying to help answer. But all you do is complain that you don’t like the answers, and then ask for more help, then complain etc. etc.

John Hiller has gone WAY out of his way to give you free support for an issue on you are having, again, and you’ve not even had the decency to thank him. I’ve given you countless bits of code, including one 3 days ago, and you never said thanks – just complained that you’d have to do some of the work.

Honestly, i wish for you and your forum all the best. But if you ask a questions, and you don’t like the answers, don’t ask the questions. Because, i’ve given you code, i’ve given you advice, i’ve given you answers – and you’ve never said thanks and are still unhappy. It’s not worth my time mate. You’re simply not listening.

[chrishajer]

yay ashfame!

[Ashish Kumar (Ashfame)]

Thanks Chris! Back to the topic now.

[chrishajer]

Ashfame, this is the post that got you caught by Akismet:

https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/wordpress-login-makes-bbpress-dashboard-not-accessable-many-affected#post-65111

I’m guessing because of all the links. You’re not a bozo, but the posts were being caught by Akismet.

[kevinjohngallagher]

It definately appears to be an issue between BackPress and WP about how the cookies are set.

One of the things i’d suggest would be to edit your bbPress login form to point to your wordpress login form but with the re-direct you want. That way no matter where someone logs in, it’s always from the same place. At least this loses the unknown factor.

Mental that we have to do this…

Easy integration with your blog

– https://bbpress.org/about/features/

the most important thing we need to figure out is how to integrate bbPress better with WP

Matt – https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/future-of-bbpress

[Ashish Kumar (Ashfame)]

I tried! Had no luck!

I commented out everything that I added and I am getting some interesting results. Its integrated now. I can access everything except a small behavior.

When I login from bbPress side, if I try to access http://needaproject.com/wp-admin/ I can get to the dashboard but if I try to access the URL like http://needaproject.com/wp-login.php or http://needaproject.com/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fneedaproject.com%2Fwp-admin%2F I get the login screen. It doesn’t recognize that I am logged in.

OMG!! bbPress is so much screwed up when it comes to issues.

[Meraj Chhaya]

Who did your design? I’m looking for a bbPress expert to help me, but I can’t find anyone up for a paid job.

[kevinjohngallagher]

oooh i forgot somethings:

I also have this in my WP-config:

// This is meant to help BBpress

define(‘COOKIE_DOMAIN’, ”);

define(‘COOKIEPATH’, ‘/’);

Again, not totally sure these are neccessary, but once you have something that works you stick with it

[kevinjohngallagher]

Morning lads and lasses,

I can’t replicate this problem with an existing/live website, but i may have some suggestions. From the time of the 0.9 to diffrent versions of WP (and SuperAnn and _ck_’s plugins), i’ve found i end up putting in a huge amount of data into my bb-config.php file, and then force everyone to login via wordpress (that way i know i’ve only got 1 point of failure).

If you can’t access the bb-admin admin area when being logged via wordpress try making sure these values are in your bb-config.php file.

define(‘BB_SECRET_KEY’, ‘bb_secret_key’); // Change this to a unique phrase.

define(‘AUTH_KEY’, ‘auth_key’);

define(‘LOGGED_IN_KEY’, ‘loggedinkey’);

define(‘BB_AUTH_KEY’, ‘authkey’);

define(‘BB_SECURE_AUTH_KEY’, ‘secureauthkey’);

define(‘BB_SECURE_AUTH_SALT’, ‘secureauthsalt’);

define(‘BB_LOGGED_IN_KEY’, ‘loggedinkey’);

define(‘BB_SECRET_KEY’, ‘secretkey’);

define(‘BB_SECRET_SALT’, ‘secretsalt’);

define(‘BB_LOGGED_IN_SALT’, ‘loggedinsalt’);

$bb->wp_siteurl = ‘http://www.**********.com/&#8217;;

$bb->wp_home = ‘http://www.**********.com/&#8217;;

$bb->wp_table_prefix = ‘wordpress_’;

$bb->user_bbdb_name = ‘**********’;

$bb->user_bbdb_user = ‘**********’;

$bb->user_bbdb_password = ‘**********’;

$bb->user_bbdb_host = ‘localhost’;

$bb->custom_user_table = ”;

$bb->custom_user_meta_table = ”;

$bb->authcookie = ‘wordpress_’;

$bb->cookiedomain = ”;

$bb->cookiepath = ‘/’;

$bb->sitecookiepath = ”;

$bb->wp_table_prefix = ‘wordpress_’;

$bb->WP_BB = true;

/* Stop editing */

I know this may sound daft, and i can’t pin point the technical reason for it, but with the combination of WP moving to a different security routine in WP2.7/2.8 and bbPress moving to BackPress i find that having that extra data in and predefined has solved 99% of my login issues.

I think, and those of you more technical than i am may debunk the idea, that bbPress does a “double dip” where it tests you as having a cookie on the front end and that the name is associated with a key master or admin, but then on the backend it actually checks your admin credentials against the WP database and cookie has and thats what fails (who do we thank for backPress??).

Sadly bbPress admin area (or any admin function) doesn’t give error messages, so the exact issue we won’t know unless you can run a profiler.

Give my additional code a try, and we’ll see if that makes a difference.

Kev

[r-a-y]

I’m going to try to answer the OP’s questions.

What is the advantage, of any, of having BBPress either instead of or in addition to BuddyPress?

Advantages of using bbPress – using bbPress plugins, forum categories and sub categories. If you want the traditional forum, go with bbPress.

BuddyPress’ internal bbPress relies on a concept called “groups” (similar to Facebook). You need to create a “group” in order to create a group forum. BP’s internal version of bbPress also uses a flat structure, you cannot categorize group forums into categories (as of now). Also, out of the box, you’ll need to port bbPress plugins to WP/BP in order to use them. Not many bbPress plugins have been ported to BP as of yet.

Advantages of using BuddyPress – template matches the rest of your site. Social networking in a box for WP (if you need it). Check out http://testbp.org/forums to view the forum layout.

Will (bbPress) now work with a straight WordPress install, or is it tied to WordPress MU at this point?

Works in both instances. bbPress integration plugin handles this fine.

(With the upcoming integration of WP and WPMU, at this juncture I simply don’t want to go through the hassle of installing MU.)

BuddyPress 1.2 is now supported by regular WP, so no need to install WPMU if you don’t need it.

[LizFilardi]

hey, can i use the same wordpress API key for my wordpress and bbpress integrated sites?

[gerikg]

KICKERMAN360 were you able to find a solution to your problem?

[Dailytalker]

I use both….

wordpress with bbpress

http://www.dailytalk.ch/forum

Advantage: Forum is category based….see drop down menu structure.

Disadvantage: No facebook-connect login….thats a clear disadvantage also integration with wordpress is difficult

wordpress mu or wordpress with buddypress 1.2.1 and bbpress

http://www.dailytalk.com

Advantage: Integration is very easy, you can have groups, group blogs and group forum topics, facebook-connect is available…bp-fbconnect plugin

Disadvantage: Forum is only group based no categories available.

[chrishajer]

http://www.wpquestions.com/ is for paid WordPress support. Maybe you will find some bbPress help there as well. Paying there though doesn’t benefit the bbPress project monetarily.

http://wphelpcenter.com/ is for paid WordPress support as well.

Both those projects are independent of WordPress, Automattic and bbPress. WP Help Center is manned by employees of Crowd Favorite (Alex King), WP Questions has people visit the question and offer solutions after you’ve set your price. Two totally different approaches.

Not sure if there is a more concerted effort for paid bbPress support or not.

[LizFilardi]

This all works fine for me. However, I don’t get any emails from bbpress or wordpress, including new user passwords, password resets, comments, etc. I’ve checked out past forum posts about that topic, and the latest I could find was a year ago, including a topic in which Sam Bauer says that the problem has been solved by adding a solution to the core package in the latest version of bbpress. any reason why integration would interfere with emailing? (i didn’t test email anything pre-integration).

[chengdu-living]

I’m not an expert, but from what I’ve gathered, you’ll need to copy or duplicate some parts of your WordPress design into a bbPress theme. So they will look the same and there won’t be a noticeable transition between the two. Unfortunately there isn’t an automatic way to do this, each theme works differently. If you’re using a popular theme with a large community around it, you might be able to find someone who’s already made those changes and can share them with you. Good luck

[kieranyo]

forum.cubeownersclub.co.uk/

After getting progressively more annoyed at the amount of spam on our previous forum that ran on PhpBB and also finding out how frustrating it was to customise the look of it I decided to give bbpress a go.

I’ve already built a few WordPress powered website so was already impressed by how it was built and how easy and intuitive it is to customise and extend so bbpress seemed like a perfect direction to take the new forum.

It was very important that we kept all of the content and user base from the old PhpBB forum so I was delighted when I found a script on here to convert the PhpBB database into the new bbpress forum. The script wasn’t perfect though so after a bit of tweaking over 2 evenings I finally got it into a good state. There are still a few issues with broken links, images and smilies but slowly it’s being edited.

I’ve installed quite a few plugins and have customised the look with a custom theme.

Overall really impressed with bbpress and am even about to suggest it to a client. I hope it gains more traction as it’s a great platform compared to the other alternatives out there.

[MrMister]

Hi everybody,

I just installed bbPress including the whole integration process for sharing account information between WP and bbPress and everything works perfect so far. Now I am wondering: Is it possible to display the bbPress forum within my wordpress installation, like in the same place my pages and articles would usually load. Or does it have to load in a seperate window? Couldn’t find an answer to that in the Doc, hope you could provide me with an answer.

Greetings and keep up the great work,

MrMister