well, i don’t know whether that is correct, but .htaccess in bbpress folder inherited the wordpress .htaccess data. removing that from .htaccess base in bbpress folder seemed to resolve the problem.
well, i don’t know whether that is correct, but .htaccess in bbpress folder inherited the wordpress .htaccess data. removing that from .htaccess base in bbpress folder seemed to resolve the problem.
@ Cashman
The bbpress plugin includes a standard theme which should work for most themes I suppose.
But if you want a perfect theme that fits you’ll have to make a child theme of the wordpress template your using atm.
Along the lines of what CK is talking about, the issue is one of DB structure. WordPress only gives us post_parent to help with post relationships, which leaves us with postmeta for everything else. That’s forces us to rely on the object cache and to try to predictively preload data that would otherwise be queried selectively and only as needed. A fully tricked out install with widgets and sidebar can fore the query count into the hundreds on pages like the user profile, with the object cache still missing quite a few.
Compared to bbPress 0.9, the current incarnation of the plugin will be abysmal query wise. Caching helps tons with this on the reads end of things. I’ve gotten it down to 1 cache miss on most pages, with auto cache refresh on writes. But this is one area where more eyes will be helpful. Like CK said, there probably isn’t a whole lot that can be optimized but I’d love to see it.
I’m just a little confused about how the themes work for this. Does there need to be a separate bbpress theme for each wordpress theme you want to use? Or can you use a default bbpress theme that will inherit the wordpress theme in use?
Try using WP3 these days on an active site where there are cache misses, the server will fall apart. You cannot rely on the miracle of caching and ultra-fast hardware to get around fundamental design problems.
Too true.
So fundamentally the problem is with WordPress’ design?
There is no need to minify PHP comments, they are dropped by opcode caches.
However reducing query count is not going to be easy.
I’ll do a 3rd party analysis on the queries (and file count) next week or so, I suspect there is going to be little that can be done to reduce the load because of how this is now being done. It is likely any bbPress plugin install is going to have to be heavily cached on any reasonably active site, just like WordPress now absolutely requires a complicated cache like W3 Total Cache.
But what people don’t realize is you cannot cache an active forum like a blog, they work very differently. Blogs are write-once, read many times and then the comments can be isolated with periodic updates. But on a forum it’s write-many-times and constantly changing. So there will always be many cache misses and the mysql engine will get a huge workout.
Try using WP3 these days on an active site where there are cache misses, the server will fall apart. You cannot rely on the miracle of caching and ultra-fast hardware to get around fundamental design problems.
The size of the codebase is largely due to the amount of phpDoc and inline documentation. I expected there to be a lot of eyes on this code from both bbPress and WordPress audiences, so almost everything is described in detail.
And I certainly appreciate it, but is there an easy way to minify it then?
The query count is high and needs and audit. We’re using internal WP functions for 99% of queries, so we thoroughly reap the benefit of the WP object cache.
The size of the codebase is largely due to the amount of phpDoc and inline documentation. I expected there to be a lot of eyes on this code from both bbPress and WordPress audiences, so almost everything is described in detail.
Okay, I told you that I would bring you in more info if I had it. I got it!
If you do not have any salts in your wp-config.php file, then you can create keys and salts at this link:
-WordPress.org secret-key service-
https://api.wordpress.org/secret-key/1.1/salt/
* You can change these at any point in time to invalidate all existing cookies. This will force all users to have to log in again.
To do a proper integration you will need keys and salts, so generate them all at this proper link.
Remember to add a ‘BB_’ prefix to each key and salt in the bb-config.php.(Example: ‘BB_AUTH_KEY’ or ‘BB_SECURE_AUTH_SALT’)
Miscellaneous info:
If you only need keys, then use this link:
https://api.wordpress.org/secret-key/1.1/
If you only need keys for bbpress then use this link:
https://api.wordpress.org/secret-key/1.1/bbpress/
For bbpress keys and salts use this link:
https://api.wordpress.org/secret-key/1.1/bbpress/salt
Okay, I told you that I would bring you in more info if I had it. I got it!
If you do not have any salts in your wp-config.php file, then you can create keys and salts at this link:
-WordPress.org secret-key service-
https://api.wordpress.org/secret-key/1.1/salt/
* You can change these at any point in time to invalidate all existing cookies. This will force all users to have to log in again.
To do a proper integration you will need keys and salts, so generate them all at this proper link.
Remember to add a ‘BB_’ prefix to each key and salt in the bb-config.php.(Example: ‘BB_AUTH_KEY’ or ‘BB_SECURE_AUTH_SALT’)
Miscellaneous info:
If you only need keys, then use this link:
https://api.wordpress.org/secret-key/1.1/
If you only need keys for bbpress then use this link:
https://api.wordpress.org/secret-key/1.1/bbpress/
For bbpress keys and salts use this link:
https://api.wordpress.org/secret-key/1.1/bbpress/salt
Okay, I see what was missed.
1. I had to copy/paste all of the keys and salts from wp-config.php and replace the keys in bb-config.php. (Though the bb-config.php has only keys, you still must copy the KEYS & SALTS from the wp-config.php and add ALL to the bb-config.php.)
2. Then I had to add ‘BB_’ before each key or salt in the bb-config.php file. (Should look like this… ‘BB_AUTH_KEY’ or ‘BB_SECURE_AUTH_SALT’)
This made my logins seamless. If I have anymore info, then I will add it to this topic later.
I did all the other stuff first such as:
a. adding the bbpress integration plugin to my wordpress
b. updating the wordpress integration ‘user rolemaps’ in the bbpress backoffice
c. adding the manual cookie setting [define( ‘COOKIEPATH’, ‘/’ );] from the wordpress bbpress integration plugin to the wp-config.php file
Other info to know:
My blog is http://gerlainetalk.com
I put the forum in the same folder and not under a different domain.
http://gerlainetalk.com/forum
My lessons:
I find that having the forum in a different domain, botches things up. Such as http://forum.gerlainetalk.com
http://gerlainetalk.com/forum works much better.
Okay, I see what was missed.
1. I had to copy/paste all of the keys and salts from wp-config.php and replace the keys in bb-config.php. (Though the bb-config.php has only keys, you still must copy the KEYS & SALTS from the wp-config.php and add ALL to the bb-config.php.)
2. Then I had to add ‘BB_’ before each key or salt in the bb-config.php file. (Should look like this… ‘BB_AUTH_KEY’ or ‘BB_SECURE_AUTH_SALT’)
This made my logins seamless. If I have anymore info, then I will add it to this topic later.
I did all the other stuff first such as:
a. adding the bbpress integration plugin to my wordpress
b. updating the wordpress integration ‘user rolemaps’ in the bbpress backoffice
c. adding the manual cookie setting [define( ‘COOKIEPATH’, ‘/’ );] from the wordpress bbpress integration plugin to the wp-config.php file
Other info to know:
My blog is http://gerlainetalk.com
I put the forum in the same folder and not under a different domain.
http://gerlainetalk.com/forum
My lessons:
I find that having the forum in a different domain, botches things up. Such as http://forum.gerlainetalk.com
http://gerlainetalk.com/forum works much better.
I have taken all of the integration and deep integration steps. I have even went to a few blogs and taken the extra steps.
I can only log into one of my sites at a time. If I log into wordpress, then I am logged out of bbpress and vice versa.
I have seen others post this forum, but there has been no answers to satisfy my problem.
I have made sure that all of the information in bb-config.php and wp-config.php were matching.
I’m so stumped.
I can’t seem to get users to login to both at all. I have tried several solutions on here and no matter what users will not login to both wordpress and bbpress.
I set all the cookie fields, and user database fields. Users are getting shared between the both just have to login twice.
I added the following to code to both wp-config and bb-config:
define( ‘COOKIE_DOMAIN’, ‘.domainname.com’ );
define( ‘COOKIEPATH’, ‘/’ );
I am not using wordpress MU, so none of those options are checked. I am running bbpress 1.02 and wordpress 3.0.4
Gautam: We already have bbpdevel.wordpress.com – though that’s not active.
Which is why I said “[…] but for bbPress on bbPress.org right from the start” which is the route WordPress are going to go down with make.wordpress.org/code as bbPress would probably take that route too, so do it from the off! 
Rich Pedley: http://wordpress.elfden.co.uk/forum/ is kept fairly update and when you register you get access to almost everything to show what’s available etc.
I forgot about your site Rich, signed up, but ideally wanted to take a look at all the stuff you can’t see right now! 
All the back-end administration coolness!
Gautam: We already have bbpdevel.wordpress.com – though that’s not active.
Which is why I said “[…] but for bbPress on bbPress.org right from the start” which is the route WordPress are going to go down with make.wordpress.org/code as bbPress would probably take that route too, so do it from the off!
Rich Pedley: http://wordpress.elfden.co.uk/forum/ is kept fairly update and when you register you get access to almost everything to show what’s available etc.
I forgot about your site Rich, signed up, but ideally wanted to take a look at all the stuff you can’t see right now! All the back-end administration coolness!
32… sounds like phpBB
While I don’t has access to a demo, either locally or online that’s fully up-to-date it makes it hard to comment on some of the newer stuff committed, after my PC decided it didn’t want to be a PC anymore!
http://wordpress.elfden.co.uk/forum/ is kept fairly update and when you register you get access to almost everything to show what’s available etc. however, there are a few bugs because it is running 3.0.4, when 3.1 is released I’ll be updating then (I don’t want it on the nightlies).
I’ve mentioned theming to my other ‘alf, but no point in starting until things have settled down. But with all these different files, I think it is even more important that action/filters be included from the off for plugin developers to hook into!
32… sounds like phpBB
While I don’t has access to a demo, either locally or online that’s fully up-to-date it makes it hard to comment on some of the newer stuff committed, after my PC decided it didn’t want to be a PC anymore!
http://wordpress.elfden.co.uk/forum/ is kept fairly update and when you register you get access to almost everything to show what’s available etc. however, there are a few bugs because it is running 3.0.4, when 3.1 is released I’ll be updating then (I don’t want it on the nightlies).
I’ve mentioned theming to my other ‘alf, but no point in starting until things have settled down. But with all these different files, I think it is even more important that action/filters be included from the off for plugin developers to hook into!
setup the equivalent of WPDEVEL but for bbPress
We already have bbpdevel.wordpress.com – though that’s not active.
setup the equivalent of WPDEVEL but for bbPress
We already have bbpdevel.wordpress.com – though that’s not active.
I have uploaded all of the files to my web server and then went to my admin centre of my website, and I still didn’t see any changes. I am running the Twenty Ten WordPress Theme (default). Do you have any idea why this isn’t working?
@gswaim – I can assure you bbPress as a WordPress plugin is no ground-hog day (although that is one of my favorite Bill Murray movies.) There’s more activity in the bbPress trac over the past 2 months than there has been in the previous 18.
Evidenced by: https://trac.bbpress.org/log/
Matt and I have shared a similar interest in having forum integration inside WordPress since 2008 when I first started using WordPress and bbPress regularly. The bbPress stand-alone can be deeply integrated with great success into WordPress. bbPress.org is a great example of how they can play nice together, as are WordPress.org and WordPress.com. All of the support forums use bbPress with shared user tables and dedicated themes to make them look the part.
But, I’m with you in that it just isn’t as turn-key simple as it could and should be.
Regarding Tadlock’s plugin, he volunteered an early iteration of his code to me which helped confirm I was on the right track and give some ideas on how to do a few things I hadn’t finished yet. So his forums haven’t fizzled, they’ve been merged into bbPress so he doesn’t need to bare the burden of supporting another large library of code, and instead he can contribute back to it when he has time or needs something specific.
Regarding my job with Automattic, progress slowed because every new employee does a 3 week training session with the Happiness Engineer team. It just so happened that my 3 weeks ended as the holiday season began. Not due to lack of importance, just not-so-good timing for writing code.
John James Jacoby: With WordPress 3.1 almost in its third release candidate, we can expect it to ship really, really soon. That said, it makes sense to drop 3.0 support and focus on 3.1.
I agree, it brings in new features we can take advantage of, which cuts out half the hassle that’d be needed to get them working in the first place! — Why try and rebuild something we can already use?
