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Future of bbPress

  • A few people have reached out to me and I just wanted to let everyone know that bbPress is still an important project for the WP community. (It powers our forums and plugin directory, for one thing!) It’s not going away.

    Strategically the most important thing we need to figure out is how to integrate bbPress better with WP more for people who want that — right now it’s easier to use one of the WP plugins for forums than bbPress.

    As to where bbPress goes in the future, I’d be curious to hear who wants to help with that. The world is our oyster. :)

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  • chrishajer
    Participant

    @chrishajer

    Thanks for stopping by Matt.


    grassrootspa
    Member

    @grassrootspa

    Amen, chrishajer.

    Happy to be here. :)


    chandersbs
    Member

    @chandersbs

    Wow, the legendary Matt :D

    Thanks for the answer, Matt. :)


    citizenkeith
    Participant

    @citizenkeith

    Thanks Matt! :)


    talgalili
    Member

    @talgalili

    Thanks for stopping by matt.

    If I may use this stage for a request:

    I hope to see an integration of bbpress login system with other methods of authentication (especially twitter, facebook and google – maybe through intense-debate ?).

    Thanks,

    Tal


    johnhiler
    Member

    @johnhiler

    Can you give us an update on the revamping of the bbpress.org website? Sam was about to launch that when he left.

    Currently, the Plugins tab is on a separate bbPress version than the Forums tab (so you have to sign into each separately), and there’s no Codex for documentation…

    Thanks!


    rvlawrence
    Member

    @rvlawrence

    Hi Matt, I think you could learn a lot from simplepressforum.com

    If you could make BBpress as easy to use as that, everyone would use it. Make BBpress a plugin with full integration into the control panel and 1 click installation.

    Right now, it’s like frankencoding trying to get all these things, BBpress, WordPress MU and Buddypress to all work together.

    Make BBpress and Buddypress an already built-in option in the wordpress control panel that we simply have to check off to activate and everyone would use it.

    Also, when is buddypress coming to single member wordpress installations?


    PickledPC
    Member

    @pickledpc

    I agree making it integrated part of wordpress, or a plugin that is easily installed would help me and many others use bbpress. I am trying to theme it now and it’s not playing very nice. I do like the simple nature of bbpress, the light install and how the user integration but could like to see it implemented into wordpress, instead of a separate entity that works with wordpress. But those are just my thoughts.


    rvlawrence
    Member

    @rvlawrence

    Hi Pickled, are you using buddypress as well? Trying to figure out all the theme issues is a real problem.

    talgalili, we’ll probably leave external authentication to plugins just like with regular WordPress.

    johnhiler, Sam did have some cool designs and ideas for the site, I’ll try to track that down and see if we can get a refresh going.

    rvlawrence, PickledPC, totally agreed. It’s way too hard to use and integrate right now.


    rvlawrence
    Member

    @rvlawrence

    Wow, I can’t believe the “Matt” actually wrote back to me. :-)

    One of the reasons why I went with WordPress is the strength of the plugins and community. I toyed a bit with Joomla but the interface stinks, and it’s too difficult to use and not pretty behind the scenes. People say that it’s stronger than WordPress and more adaptable but I think WordPress is quickly surpassing it as the defacto blogging/CMS building tool. New users like me can get up and running quickly and it’s fun to use!!! Joomla was nothing but a nightmare, ugly and not enjoyable at all. The people in their community are ok to deal with but many are tech-snobs. Thank you WordPress!!!

    Any other information on BBpress is appreciated, including a timeline of features to come and integration. Please give us a peek to what the future holds…


    Gautam
    Member

    @gautam2011

    Thanks for the answer Matt, looking ahead for a great future of bbPress. :-)

    Matt,

    1. Automattic should to acquire SimplePress and to merge it with bbPress (just as you did with Buddypress – smart move).

    2. The best forum software is vBulletin (and now they have a full-featured CMS). Look at vB, and you’ll see the roadmap of all the forum software.

    3. Stop calling WordPress “blogging platform”. It’s a CMS, FYI! I even hope WP3.0 will become a CMF.

    michayu:

    1. SimplePress looks horrible, and the cleaner bbPress codebase is, the better. It also implements a lot of what in bbPress mentality would be plugin-based.

    2. vBulletin is clunky and the opposite of what bbPress aims to be (light, adaptable, etc.)

    3. WordPress IS a blogging platform. It has supplementary CMS features such as pages, and can be adapted into a CMS, but it’s primary focus and purpose is blogging. I pray it never gets turned into yet another CMS (and look on discussions on the WordPress support forums about its current shortcomings when used as a CMS if you want proof it’s not one).

    @Kawauso

    1. SimplePress looks better than BuddyPress did before Automattic has acquired it. I intent to emphasize rather business aspect, than technology one. It would be better for WordPress community if the resources will concentrated, not dispersed.

    2. Try vBulletin4.0(beta). It’s “light, adaptable, etc”…

    3. My company develops 4-6 [WP-based] sites (not blogs) a month. God bless WordPress!

    CMS=ContentManagementSystem, isn’t blogging about content management?

    And you’re right, hopefully, it’s CURRENT shortcomings will be overcame in 3.0 :-)


    grassrootspa
    Member

    @grassrootspa

    @matt:

    1. Great to hear you will be looking into the bbPress site refresh!

    2. There was discussion a while ago re: a ‘bbPress MU’ type of plugin to allow 1 bbPress installation to manage MULTIPLE forums. Any idea how this would tie into the whole WP/WPMU merger? For planning purposes, should we expect this idea dead?


    Dailytalker
    Member

    @dailytalker

    I am currently running a wordpress blog in combination with a Simple Machine Forum (SMF). I would prefer bbpress because it is easier to integrate in wordpress and buddypress. That’s the advantage of bbpress.

    The advantage ob SMF is that they offer much more features. You habe a tinymce editor, you can post pictures, upload images and post clips from youtube, googlevideo and similiar services.

    It would be excellent if there were a way to integrate wordpress-plugins into bbpress.

    Further please have a look on pretty-urls.

    This is too long:

    http://xxx.com/groups/movie-friends/forum/topic/blabla/

    This would be much better:

    http://xxx.com/forum/politics/obamas_health_care_reform/

    Just website/forum/category-name/topic_title


    talgalili
    Member

    @talgalili

    Hi Matt,

    Thank you for the reply.

    I wasn’t suggesting adding intense debate to the core of bbpress. I was only saying that currently there is now easy way of (for example) logging into a bbPress forum using twitter.

    Intense Debate would be a great plugin to connect to bbPress. But from what they told me they are not planning it, and I was hoping that you might find a solution to that.

    Best wishes,

    Tal


    jurasiks
    Participant

    @jurasiks

    Why BBpress should integrates with WordPress?

    I think we can make bbpress – standalone CMS with only key features.

    Who will be in charge now with this project?


    chrishajer
    Participant

    @chrishajer

    I deleted a bunch of off-topic troubleshooting-type posts. If yours is missing from here, that’s what happened. Please start a new topic for your issue, if you have one, and let’s keep this topic on the topic ‘future of bbPress’.

    Thanks

    I think having gotten into plugin development with bbPress, a big part of what it needs is more documentation. One of the great advantages of WordPress is the ease with which additional functionality can be implemented, and bbPress is quite similar in that respect, but actually knowing how to implement it using the native functions available is currently a learnt skill, rather than something you can pick up from reading the Codex. As this thread shows, bbPress has a wide variety of uses and situations, so it’s important for it to be easily adaptable in order to grow.

    Not too much to do with how bbPress develops as a codebase, but not too off-topic I hope :)


    Tom(dB)
    Participant

    @tomdebruin

    It’s great to hear that bbPress has a future, so thanks for informing us, Matt.

    At this stage I think it’s important to get bbP integrated better with WP in terms of the theming, and having a select number of WP functions available to it.

    Logging in, and profile pages should be brought together. At the moment my integrated site has abandoned WP profiles, because of the forum history, favourites, etc. in bbP.

    Sharing of cookies needs to be a single check box option, with none of the faffing around that it currently takes. The login/out form needs to be global.

    Two versions of bbP (0.9, and 1.0) is very confusing, particularly when it comes to browsing the plugins. We need some clear direction for plugin writers, since this brings real power and customisation. (twitter login, facebook connect, etc. should all be plugins since not everyone needs these features.)

    It may be that bbP needs to stop its standalone status (though, I hear many cries) and focus on its integration with BuddyPress. If someone only wants a forum then they can switch off all the other Buddy features. BuddyPress would then take over all user profile duties and allow easy integration with a single administration area (paying good attention to moderator powers.)

    thanks.

    I disagree with the not having the standalone. Some website have no reason to have anything on their site other than a forum. You can have two versions plugin and standalone. I did mention before giving 0.9 & 1.0 version names instead of numbers because it confuses people. Example bbPress Blue v1.0 (for 1.0) and bbPress Red v1.0 (for 0.9).

    I would say stay away from buddypress for now. They have a lot issues that they are trying to deal with since their release from BP 1.0 to BP1.1 (a big change). Buddypress is already using bbpress in their install but for the Group feature which can conflict and confuse people.

    I installed WPMU just for BuddyPress a regret it since then. I’m having a lot of basic issues that isn’t addressed.

    Anyway back to the topic. I was able to integrate WP+BB easily, I don’t have PHP knowledge but I was able to. It’s the so many versions of the integration that screw people up in my experience. I think bbPress is great already, you just need more plugins and themes. And most important finish the development documents. I know WP didn’t have it for years but why follow? If you have more theme development also I believe bbPress will pick up faster.

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