[@tooltrainer Member 13 years, 7 months ago]

Is nobody else seeing this? Really?? Can someone else please try setting up a new bbP install, create a user with subscriber role, and tell me if that user can create topics?

I just can’t believe I’m the only one experiencing this if it’s genuinely a bug. I’m in real trouble if I can’t find the solution to this right away.

Thanks,

Jonathan

[@tooltrainer Member 13 years, 7 months ago]

I see from the bug closure, how one aspect of it is an orphaned post problem.

And I totally understand that there are possible situations where that could happen.

But I’m seeing that users can NEVER post topics, period, at all. Ever. How is it possible that bbP could be used by anyone if this was the case?

It’s not that they can post topics, and occasionally they get orphaned. Users are greeted with the “Sorry you can’t create topics” error at all times, in all forums, no matter what.

Sure I noticed a semi-workaround by using the admin bar, which resulted in the orphaned topics.

But that isn’t what the bug was originally about. The point was that users are plain & simply not permitted to create topics via the normal forum interface.

What’s even more confusing to me, is that this was working fine about 3 updates ago (updates for me, there have been numerous builds between then and now). I don’t know exactly when the problem started happening because I wasn’t testing for that specific functionality for a little while. All I know is that a week ago I could post topics without any issue, as a subscriber level user. And now I can’t.

This is a complete and total loss of usability of the bbP plugin, and I don’t see anyone else complaining of it so this problem must just be happening to me… and yet I can reproduce the bad behavior on multiple clean installs on multiple servers.

Forgive my frustration please, I haven’t gotten much sleep in the last couple weeks and problems like this that simply make no sense, are keeping me from making actual progress on the most critical component of my site – the forum. Right now, users can simply not use it at all, which will be very very bad for me.

So I’m appealing for some help, advice, pointers – anything! I just have no idea what to do, to get something as simple as user topic creation, working again. I love the bbP plugin and it’s the only forum solution I want to use, but obviously it’s gotta work!

Thanks,

Jonathan

[@tooltrainer Member 13 years, 7 months ago]

I see from the bug closure, how one aspect of it is an orphaned post problem.

And I totally understand that there are possible situations where that could happen.

But I’m seeing that users can NEVER post topics, period, at all. Ever. How is it possible that bbP could be used by anyone if this was the case?

It’s not that they can post topics, and occasionally they get orphaned. Users are greeted with the “Sorry you can’t create topics” error at all times, in all forums, no matter what.

Sure I noticed a semi-workaround by using the admin bar, which resulted in the orphaned topics.

But that isn’t what the bug was originally about. The point was that users are plain & simply not permitted to create topics via the normal forum interface.

What’s even more confusing to me, is that this was working fine about 3 updates ago (updates for me, there have been numerous builds between then and now). I don’t know exactly when the problem started happening because I wasn’t testing for that specific functionality for a little while. All I know is that a week ago I could post topics without any issue, as a subscriber level user. And now I can’t.

This is a complete and total loss of usability of the bbP plugin, and I don’t see anyone else complaining of it so this problem must just be happening to me… and yet I can reproduce the bad behavior on multiple clean installs on multiple servers.

Forgive my frustration please, I haven’t gotten much sleep in the last couple weeks and problems like this that simply make no sense, are keeping me from making actual progress on the most critical component of my site – the forum. Right now, users can simply not use it at all, which will be very very bad for me.

So I’m appealing for some help, advice, pointers – anything! I just have no idea what to do, to get something as simple as user topic creation, working again. I love the bbP plugin and it’s the only forum solution I want to use, but obviously it’s gotta work!

Thanks,

Jonathan

[@tooltrainer Member 13 years, 7 months ago]

Interesting, how is this a duplicate or related though? From reading the bug 1469, it doesn’t seem to be related at all.

In my case, this is stopping me from even setting up a new bbP install. I can’t create a single topic as a user, that will show up anywhere on the site unless an admin manually references it to a specific forum. I suppose that’s where the “orphaned” bit comes into play? But this is in my opinion a total and complete blocker. How can anyone actually install and use bbP right now?

This is what has me so stumped. From what I’m seeing, I would think every person using the bbP plugin would be freaking out over this, since the entire core functionality of the plugin is broken – i.e. nobody can post a topic. I’ve seen this 4 different times on 3 different installs on two different servers, so I’m really not thinking it’s a server config. But since nobody else seems to be complaining of this… makes me think it’s just me.

Is this some error on my part? If so PLEASE tell me what I’ve done wrong as my entire site (which is supposed to go live on Monday…. sigh) is hanging in the balance.

Thanks!

Jonathan

[@tooltrainer Member 13 years, 7 months ago]

Interesting, how is this a duplicate or related though? From reading the bug 1469, it doesn’t seem to be related at all.

In my case, this is stopping me from even setting up a new bbP install. I can’t create a single topic as a user, that will show up anywhere on the site unless an admin manually references it to a specific forum. I suppose that’s where the “orphaned” bit comes into play? But this is in my opinion a total and complete blocker. How can anyone actually install and use bbP right now?

This is what has me so stumped. From what I’m seeing, I would think every person using the bbP plugin would be freaking out over this, since the entire core functionality of the plugin is broken – i.e. nobody can post a topic. I’ve seen this 4 different times on 3 different installs on two different servers, so I’m really not thinking it’s a server config. But since nobody else seems to be complaining of this… makes me think it’s just me.

Is this some error on my part? If so PLEASE tell me what I’ve done wrong as my entire site (which is supposed to go live on Monday…. sigh) is hanging in the balance.

Thanks!

Jonathan

[@tooltrainer Member 13 years, 7 months ago]

Reported here:

https://bbpress.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/1516

Jonathan

[@tooltrainer Member 13 years, 7 months ago]

Reported here:

https://bbpress.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/1516

Jonathan

[@tooltrainer Member 13 years, 7 months ago]

WOAH! Very interesting development…

In the admin bar, users can select “New Topic” and create a topic! They can then view that topic from their admin area, no problem. However at the public facing site, the topic will not be visible at all.

The admin can then log in and see that the topic is not assigned to any forum. Assigning it to a forum, causes it to suddenly appear for all to see.

I feel strongly that this is a bug, though I can’t imagine how nobody else has seen this since it’s core functionality broken. Very strange. I’m going to report this in trac just in case.

Jonathan

[@tooltrainer Member 13 years, 7 months ago]

WOAH! Very interesting development…

In the admin bar, users can select “New Topic” and create a topic! They can then view that topic from their admin area, no problem. However at the public facing site, the topic will not be visible at all.

The admin can then log in and see that the topic is not assigned to any forum. Assigning it to a forum, causes it to suddenly appear for all to see.

I feel strongly that this is a bug, though I can’t imagine how nobody else has seen this since it’s core functionality broken. Very strange. I’m going to report this in trac just in case.

Jonathan

[@tooltrainer Member 13 years, 7 months ago]

Just to make sure, I just installed on another copy of WP on a totally different server… stock everything, no other plugins or themes, etc. 100% original WP and bbP code.

Same problem, users with role < admin cannot create topics, no matter what.

Here is the test install:

http://cloudsharehost.com/test/forums/

feel free to log in as user test, password test

I’m really at a loss here, my coder and I are totally dead in the water right now without a solution to this.

Jonathan

[@tooltrainer Member 13 years, 7 months ago]

Just to make sure, I just installed on another copy of WP on a totally different server… stock everything, no other plugins or themes, etc. 100% original WP and bbP code.

Same problem, users with role < admin cannot create topics, no matter what.

Here is the test install:

http://cloudsharehost.com/test/forums/

feel free to log in as user test, password test

I’m really at a loss here, my coder and I are totally dead in the water right now without a solution to this.

Jonathan

[@tooltrainer Member 13 years, 7 months ago]

@jjj

I’m also seeing issues with the permalinks not flushing, fairly often. I have to go back and save them again and all is well. If there’s any info I can provide to help, let me know.

Jonathan

[@tooltrainer Member 13 years, 7 months ago]

@anointed said “I just found bbp_custom_template so needless to say I am in heaven. So long as I have an easy way of using my own template files for each custom bbpress area, life is good.”

anointed, thanks for pointing this out. I’ve looked at that function and believe it would indeed be extremely useful in creating/integrating a custom theme! Unfortunately I’m not really clear on how to use it. Could you (or JJJ) possibly elaborate a bit on what you’re doing/planning to do with it?

Thanks!!

Jonathan

[@tooltrainer Member 13 years, 7 months ago]

@Ryan

Turns out I was just missing a “forums” page in my WP pages. Duh!!

Thanks for the help all!

Jonathan

[@tooltrainer Member 13 years, 7 months ago]

actually I’m not much for command line so I’m using TortoiseSVN. I have the repo on my machine, the problem is I develop on the server, not locally, so my local copy is pretty much never in sync with my server copy, since this isn’t my SVN where I can manage the deployments.

SVN is awesome but when I try to understand the deeper workings of it, my head wants to explode.

Would this workflow do the trick?

1. Checkout repo locally

2. Upload to WP on server

3. Do my thing, edit files, whatever.

4. End of each day (or whenever), download my edited files to my local copy.

5. Start of each day (or whenever), update my local copy.

6. Upload updated files to server copy.

7. Goto 3.

In my head that seems like it would work, which probably means it’s horribly flawed. LOL

Jonathan

[@tooltrainer Member 13 years, 7 months ago]

actually I’m not much for command line so I’m using TortoiseSVN. I have the repo on my machine, the problem is I develop on the server, not locally, so my local copy is pretty much never in sync with my server copy, since this isn’t my SVN where I can manage the deployments.

SVN is awesome but when I try to understand the deeper workings of it, my head wants to explode.

Would this workflow do the trick?

1. Checkout repo locally

2. Upload to WP on server

3. Do my thing, edit files, whatever.

4. End of each day (or whenever), download my edited files to my local copy.

5. Start of each day (or whenever), update my local copy.

6. Upload updated files to server copy.

7. Goto 3.

In my head that seems like it would work, which probably means it’s horribly flawed. LOL

Jonathan

[@tooltrainer Member 13 years, 7 months ago]

You & me both my friend, you & me both!

Now back to the fun stuff… letting my coder work really hard and solve all my problems for me! *snort*

But seriously, I’m optimistic now.

Actually on a somewhat related note… how would you generally recommend people work with the SVN repo for bbP? I checked it out the other day but I’ve only used SVN for my own projects where I’m intimately familiar with the code and I’m also doing checkins. I’ve never worked in a “read only” fashion, where the changes I make must NOT be checked in. Been having a hard time wrapping my head around a good way to stay current using the repo but not lose my changes. Any advice there?

Jonathan

[@tooltrainer Member 13 years, 7 months ago]

You & me both my friend, you & me both!

Now back to the fun stuff… letting my coder work really hard and solve all my problems for me! *snort*

But seriously, I’m optimistic now.

Actually on a somewhat related note… how would you generally recommend people work with the SVN repo for bbP? I checked it out the other day but I’ve only used SVN for my own projects where I’m intimately familiar with the code and I’m also doing checkins. I’ve never worked in a “read only” fashion, where the changes I make must NOT be checked in. Been having a hard time wrapping my head around a good way to stay current using the repo but not lose my changes. Any advice there?

Jonathan

[@tooltrainer Member 13 years, 7 months ago]

OMG I feel like such a heel.. I totally forgot that bbP needs a page created with the name of the forums (‘forums’) in order to work.

DUH!!!

OK problem solved, all seems fine now. *blush*

Thanks all the same JJJ!!!

Jonathan

[@tooltrainer Member 13 years, 7 months ago]

OMG I feel like such a heel.. I totally forgot that bbP needs a page created with the name of the forums (‘forums’) in order to work.

DUH!!!

OK problem solved, all seems fine now. *blush*

Thanks all the same JJJ!!!

Jonathan

[@tooltrainer Member 13 years, 7 months ago]

to continue my ramblings… just tried 3127 instead but same thing. 404s for all forums, topics, etc.

I’m feeling like this has something to do with it running in a subdirectory. Can anyone else confirm/deny??

Thanks,

Jonathan

[@tooltrainer Member 13 years, 7 months ago]

OK I’m seriously stumped now. I just blew away my copy of WP an installed a totally fresh one, updated to 3.1.2, in a subdirectory called “new”. Uploaded latest bbp 3145 and activated it. Created a forum, tried to visit /new/forums/ and was immediately redirected to domain.com/forums/ instead of ending up at domain.com/new/forums/ as expected. Is this a bug of having bbp in a subdirectory?

So I changed my permalinks again to /%postname%/ and now I’m not redirected anywhere unexpected, but when I end up at /new/forums/ I get the same page not found error.

This is using the included 2010 bbP theme and stock EVERYTHING except for disabling the “Prefix the root slug before the following slugs?” feature.

What gives? I feel like I’m losing my mind or something… this is normally the simplest thing in the world!

?????

Jonathan

[@tooltrainer Member 13 years, 7 months ago]

Just as a sanity check, I regressed to 3127 and have the same issue, so I’m inclined to think it’s something with this install, maybe I need to nuke WP and start again. Will try that next… so strange.

Jonathan

[@tooltrainer Member 13 years, 7 months ago]

Hey at this point I’d actually TAKE that trade! Errors & notices I can deal with because they give me something to debug. But just “page not found” doesn’t give me anything to work with.

Tried reinstalling several times, de/reactivating, etc. Doesn’t matter, no matter what I do the forums just plain aren’t accessible… if they even exist at all. Bizarre.

JJJ, any ideas?

Thanks!

Jonathan

[@tooltrainer Member 13 years, 7 months ago]

Well after setting my permalinks to /%postname%/ I now get a nice pretty “page not found” error page instead of the DB error. But am no closer to having bbP work, and I really don’t know why. There’s not much to it (which is why I’m using it in the first place! Just upload plugin, activate, create forums, and away you go. Have never seen any issue like this evern with having done several test installs before. I’m using the stock bbP 2010 theme also.

Jonathan