bbPress Support Forums » Topic: Try out email subscriptions http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions bbPress Support Forums » Topic: Try out email subscriptions en-US Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:45:44 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.1 chrishajer on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions/page/2#post-71206 Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:48:57 +0000 chrishajer 71206@http://bbpress.org/forums/ If you can install via subversion, you can have it now. If you cannot install via subversion and are waiting for a packaged version, you will have to talk to those in charge.

Recent discussion here:
http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/bbpress-plugin-is-born

Look for replies by John James Jacoby about releasing 1.0.3 or 1.1

]]> Milan Dinić on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions/page/2#post-71114 Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:44:02 +0000 Milan Dinić 71114@http://bbpress.org/forums/ There are some improvements that are made to this feature that will solve some opinions expressed here. Read my detailed post for more information.

]]> johnhiler on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions/page/2#post-63273 Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:02:06 +0000 johnhiler 63273@http://bbpress.org/forums/ Yah same here... looks like the bug is still unpatched:
http://trac.bbpress.org/ticket/1233

]]> Olaf on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions#post-63272 Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:00:46 +0000 Olaf 63272@http://bbpress.org/forums/ Today I got the second mail with 100 spam links because I was subscribed to one or more topics.
It seems that akismeth has blocked the post here at the forum but not for the subscribers.

I'm sure that this way the mail from bbpress is marked as spam (by gmail) sooner or later

]]> Olaf on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions#post-62816 Wed, 06 Jan 2010 10:37:08 +0000 Olaf 62816@http://bbpress.org/forums/ John, sure there is no guarantee, but the bbpress development over the last 2 years was never so active as for wordpress.

My Forum is ~ 2years old and I updated only once (to 1.02) ;)

and at the end we have to trust Matt :D

]]> johnhiler on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions#post-62815 Wed, 06 Jan 2010 10:32:48 +0000 johnhiler 62815@http://bbpress.org/forums/ Olaf - Just saw your earlier edit. Moving features into the core is no guarantee that development won't stop... just look at the bbPress Core itself over the past few months!

]]> Olaf on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions#post-62814 Wed, 06 Jan 2010 09:39:03 +0000 Olaf 62814@http://bbpress.org/forums/ yeah there is a great chance to trash your database ;)

]]> johnhiler on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions#post-62813 Wed, 06 Jan 2010 09:35:28 +0000 johnhiler 62813@http://bbpress.org/forums/ Yah it gets tricky with posts being editable and topics being deletable... tricky stuff!

]]> Olaf on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions#post-62811 Wed, 06 Jan 2010 09:31:35 +0000 Olaf 62811@http://bbpress.org/forums/ I checked bbpress for "batching email updates" and noticed that an extra table is needed.
One of the reasons I stopped looking into that feature.
EDIT: Important functions should belong to the core system, otherwise the development of some plugin might stop (like in this case)

]]> johnhiler on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions#post-62810 Wed, 06 Jan 2010 09:12:50 +0000 johnhiler 62810@http://bbpress.org/forums/ Ah yah, vBulletin does a great job batching email updates. But batching updates is a lot harder than just emailing out immediate updates... that's probably why they're starting off with this approach.

I'd be a lot more comfortable with that if this was a plugin and not in the core... curious what the plan is on that front!

]]> Olaf on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions#post-62809 Wed, 06 Jan 2010 09:01:31 +0000 Olaf 62809@http://bbpress.org/forums/ @John,
I'm not talking about the plugin but about a core feature, I think email subscription is one of the secrets why forums and blogs succeed. My remark is just about why some "mail filter" is very important.

PS. If I send mail messages from websites I use always a SPF record ;)

]]> johnhiler on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions#post-62808 Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:55:03 +0000 johnhiler 62808@http://bbpress.org/forums/ Hey Olaf - I don't doubt that email delivery can be tricky... we got around a lot of that by using SPF and other tricks to ensure delivery:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework

In any case, you're always free to not use this particular plugin!

Although I'm still not clear on why this plugin/feature is being programmed... there's a very similar email subscriptions plugin that already works great. But I'm guessing this is going to get put into the core, so maybe it's being programmed differently as a result.

]]> Olaf on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions#post-62807 Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:36:53 +0000 Olaf 62807@http://bbpress.org/forums/ Hi John,
My servers IP get on black lists after my mailing list got more than 1500 members and I send only one mail / day. (this took only 10 weeks)
Just imagine if you have x.xxx subscribers and x.xxx topics, there are maybe thousands of mail messages a day. Every "filter" will help...

]]> johnhiler on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions#post-62806 Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:32:46 +0000 johnhiler 62806@http://bbpress.org/forums/ I use that subscription plugin I linked above... it's been great, and we haven't had problems with delivery. It might get out of hand if we default subscribed members to threads... but it's opt-in, so the number of subscription emails is much lower than you'd think.

]]> Olaf on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions#post-62805 Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:08:56 +0000 Olaf 62805@http://bbpress.org/forums/

timskii, there are no plans to add any new user options for this feature, there's no need.

As for the time issue, it's possible that it could generate a lot of email but that doesn't mean you're going to be marked as spam. It's nice to have one-per-message especially for threading and following conversations in things like Gmail. If anyone gets too much email, they can one-click unsubscribe from the thread and follow it in a different manner, like RSS. This is how new comment notifications have worked for years on the blog side, and it's been fine.

I don't agree Matt, for example Gmail marks mail messages as spam if you get too much with the same content (even messages from Google Groups).
vBulletin has a feature that only one message is send for replies by a unique member.
I stopped developing that kind of plugin because these timestamps / filters are too much work with the current version. I will not use the subscription function if there is an email message for each reply and I'm sure I'm not the only one...

]]> chrishajer on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions#post-62753 Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:28:12 +0000 chrishajer 62753@http://bbpress.org/forums/ I just opened ticket #1233 at trac, before I read these actually.

]]> johnhiler on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions#post-62748 Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:29:00 +0000 johnhiler 62748@http://bbpress.org/forums/ I can confirm similar messages as well, also from yajia and snj19.

]]> chandersbs on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions#post-62747 Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:16:57 +0000 chandersbs 62747@http://bbpress.org/forums/ ^^^
Same here

]]> Milan Dinić on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions#post-62746 Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:11:48 +0000 Milan Dinić 62746@http://bbpress.org/forums/ I think I have found a bug. From all three topics I'm subscribed to, this night I got four e-mails with spam posts from snj19 and yajia. I doubt that those post ever appeared on topic and they're probably caught by Akismet, but they still were sent to e-mail subscribers.

What is interesting is that there wasn't title of topic in title of e-mail, as it was in other messages I got from here.

]]> timskii on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions#post-62449 Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:17:25 +0000 timskii 62449@http://bbpress.org/forums/ Matt - That said, please consider some method for the forum administrator to turn Subscriptions off - just in case it gets out of hand. Canonical (bb-plugins) plugin, admin setting, whatever.

]]> Matt Mullenweg on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions#post-62438 Fri, 01 Jan 2010 03:21:53 +0000 Matt Mullenweg 62438@http://bbpress.org/forums/ timskii, there are no plans to add any new user options for this feature, there's no need.

As for the time issue, it's possible that it could generate a lot of email but that doesn't mean you're going to be marked as spam. It's nice to have one-per-message especially for threading and following conversations in things like Gmail. If anyone gets too much email, they can one-click unsubscribe from the thread and follow it in a different manner, like RSS. This is how new comment notifications have worked for years on the blog side, and it's been fine.

]]> hpguru on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions#post-62422 Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:18:36 +0000 hpguru 62422@http://bbpress.org/forums/ I test too.

]]> bingsterloot on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions#post-62420 Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:43:54 +0000 bingsterloot 62420@http://bbpress.org/forums/ i am testing now, please dont hate me :O)

]]> timskii on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions#post-62419 Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:07:14 +0000 timskii 62419@http://bbpress.org/forums/ I'm clearly not awake yet (the email did arrive with Ben L.'s update), but:

It looks like it sends out an email regardless of how many minutes have elapsed since the last email.

This is going to get a few forums marked as spammers, because the sheer volume of almost-identical emails sent out could be huge. And imagine subscribing to a big forum topic, only to wake up the next morning to discover 20 emails telling you the topic had been updated. It doesn't seem to scale well for very long and/or frequently updated topics.

Perhaps wait until the user does something on the forums before sending anything other then the first email? But BBPress doesn't seem to record any actions against the user.

Added: A very crude test could only send out an email if the user's last_posted time fell in between the time of this post and the previous post. It's a very approx measure of activity, neither relating directly to the subscribed topic, nor reflecting a visit to only read. And would need some explanation ("you won't be updated again until you post on the forums"). I already don't like that as a solution, but it would put a cap the spamming, while still being somewhat useful as a means of getting the author back to the forum.

Second random thought: Since this function is already looking like something that might need to be turned off, perhaps it should be sitting in bb-plugins?

]]> Ben L. on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions#post-62418 Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:14:09 +0000 Ben L. 62418@http://bbpress.org/forums/ Shouldn't it use bb_meta (or bb_usermeta) and not bb_taxonomy?

]]> timskii on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions#post-62417 Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:18:44 +0000 timskii 62417@http://bbpress.org/forums/

Checkbox under posting form, checked by default

I assume this checkbox auto-subscribes to this topic.

But that raises a side issues: User Settings. Remember the default per-user, as an account settings.

Currently I hack settings into the profile data (since they are easy to call out almost anywhere without special functions). Of course I also had to hack the profile data structure slightly to categorize each piece of profile data - both to split settings from public information, and do other things - like group similar data together, or define the input field type. Note that there is an array already in place to categorise profile information, although it refers to data by position (0,1,etc), not key name, which can makes hacking it messy.

Cookies would be the lazy option, but a tad confusing for users that don't visit regularly, or visit from different computers.

(After 10 minutes I didn't get anything - but it could be an email snarl-up.)

]]> Gautam on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions#post-62411 Thu, 31 Dec 2009 07:29:23 +0000 Gautam 62411@http://bbpress.org/forums/ I think a subscriptions.php can also be added to the templates like the favourites.php, where the user can edit the topics he/she has subscribed. And then the links to subscribe to topic can be prettier like the add this topic to your favourites one.

]]> Michael on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions#post-62410 Thu, 31 Dec 2009 07:20:32 +0000 Michael 62410@http://bbpress.org/forums/ Very nice. :) Now, will it support Permalinks?

Nice to see some changes happening. :)

Peace, Michael

]]> Gautam on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions#post-62409 Thu, 31 Dec 2009 06:02:56 +0000 Gautam 62409@http://bbpress.org/forums/ There should be apply_filter on the subject and message of the mail here - http://trac.bbpress.org/browser/trunk/bb-includes/functions.bb-posts.php?rev=2388#L407

And also to the Subscribe and Unscribe from topic here - http://trac.bbpress.org/browser/trunk/bb-includes/functions.bb-template.php?rev=2387#L3406

+ do_actions can be added

Raising ticket...

]]> Gautam on "Try out email subscriptions" http://bbpress.org/forums/topic/try-out-email-subscriptions#post-62408 Thu, 31 Dec 2009 05:56:09 +0000 Gautam 62408@http://bbpress.org/forums/ testing...

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